Yes, I'm aware. NLBC is still only a local, though. It's hardly representative of any other tournaments in the FGC, where any other number of games are ran and streamed.NLBC is streamed worldwide and brings in a lot of viewers to both Spooky's and Arturo's streams. It's one of the most popular weekly FGC streams.
Where do you draw the line?
Its not the community thats forcing anything. The people who run Evo decide whats at Evo. And they decide Smash is a part of Evo. Yeah maybe not have both Smash titles but thats Evo's call, no one else.Never said the Smash community was smaller than the FGC. Clearly tons of people are into Smash. All the more reason to stick to their own circuit instead of forcing into the already niche FGC tournaments.
Welp, finally got to the "smash players smell" stage of the discussion
We have literally hit full Kappa
Quick, someone make a post about Gllty or LTG
What does that have to do with anything.Its not the community thats forcing anything. The people who run Evo decide whats at Evo. And they decide Smash is a part of Evo. Yeah maybe not have both Smash titles but thats Evo's call, no one else.
Excuse me? Are you serious right now?I can definitely blame the Melee community for refusing to move on. TO's wouldn't be in this position if the community wasn't so goddamn stubborn.
You said they're forcing it upon Evo like the community is doing it.What does that have to do with anything.
That's like... exactly why you see many in this thread happy that there might be an Evo without Smash.
Yes it's their fault, plenty of SF players prefer IV to V but they still moved on with everyone else because that's what you do to keep things interesting.Excuse me? Are you serious right now?
So it's Melee's community fault that they love their game then? TO's are not obliged to do anything. Nobody would bat an eye if Melee wasn't ever given a spot in the main event back in 2013. The fact that it keeps coming back just shows how much revenue it brings to warrant the presence. Also going from the reactions of this thread, if Melee were to be removed, the FGC would probably support the decision, they (TOs) simply doesn't remove it because it brings them money.
The Smash community doesn't decide shit if their both games should be at the main event or not.
Smh. Hey Melee fans, you guys destroyed EVO for supporting this game!!Yes it's their fault, plenty of SF players prefer IV to V but they still moved on with everyone else because that's what you do to keep things interesting.
I'd have less of an issue with Smash being at Evo if it was one game.
MVCI missed Evo USA but made it to Evo Japan only in the Berenstein Bears universe.
Are stamina matches how Smash is played at tournaments?
Look, I totally respect Smash for the technical requirements needed to be good at it (I'm having a miserable time with it right now because it's so weird and difficult), but "fighting game" means a specific thing. And yeah, generally it means a game that somewhat resembles Street Fighter. There's typically not a lot of overlap between people who are really good at fighting games and people are who are really good at Smash. It's one or the other, they're totally different animals. Which is fine. But people who are into fighting games (and have been for many years) have no interest in seeing Smash at Evo.
This is on the same level of claiminig that Xenoblade is not an RPG because it's not turn-based
Yeah, *now.* People couldn't wait to throw SF4 in the bushes when SF5 was announced.
This is EVO Japan.I like how some people here talk as if EVO staff just decided to skip Smash for some reason. Like, do you seriously think they don't want it there considering its such a huge game with a big community that has already been at EVO multiple times?
Was it different with Brawl and Melee? I don't remember competitive Melee being as huge as it is until after Brawl.Yeah, *now.* People couldn't wait to throw SF4 in the bushes when SF5 was announced.
Brawl actually ended up being so bad that it sent people back to Melee.Was it different with Brawl and Melee? I don't remember competitive Melee being as huge as it is until after Brawl.
In any case, I don't care which Smash they play. Just pick one.
Brawl actually ended up being so bad that it sent people back to Melee.
EDIT: That isn't to say that Brawl didn't have a big scene, but it certainly drove a LOT of people away.
Kinda. Melee competitive was pretty niche but was always there. People tried to move on to Brawl but the game was such a big fuck up in the competitive scenario, it was insanely bad for competitive, since then almost everyone went back to Melee which was the way better competitive option at the time. Melee managed to grow real quickly with the Internet and streaming platforms that managed to bring them a spot in the EVO 2013. It was highly succesful with the viewership and competitiveness that it kept coming back since then.Was it different with Brawl and Melee? I don't remember competitive Melee being as huge as it is until after Brawl.
Don't forget about project M. Do people still play that or have they mostly moved on to the new smashes now?
Don't forget about project M. Do people still play that or have they mostly moved on to the new smashes now?
Kinda. Melee competitive was pretty niche but was always there. People tried to move on to Brawl but the game was such a big fuck up in the competitive scenario, it was insanely bad for competitive, since then almost everyone went back to Melee which was the way better competitive option at the time. Melee managed to grow real quickly with the Internet and streaming platforms that managed to bring them a spot in the EVO 2013. It was highly succesful with the viewership and competitiveness that it kept coming back since then.
I agree that Ultimate and Melee should not be on the main stage together, but to deny Melee entirely is pretty fucking harsh. The game has insane story behind it's competitive scene that managed to survive the direst times without a single help from Nintendo.
Ever since Nintendo banning Project M from major tournaments, it's pretty much dead since no exposure = no viewers = no money to be made. There's still a specific niche scene for it, but it's going to be always really niche since it's not allowed to participate in major tourneys anymore.
They'd probably still be playing it if Nintendo didn't send the goons after them.
Well you can't really expect them to let a game mod be played in sanctioned tournaments
Not to mention that the devs were flying too close to the sun and making new playable characters from existing IPs.Well you can't really expect them to let a game mod be played in sanctioned tournaments
Why would Nintendo allow for fan mods to stand on the same ground as the actual game? Especially when that fanmod was adding in new unsanctioned characters.
Well you can't really expect them to let a game mod be played in sanctioned tournaments
Not to mention that the devs were flying too close to the sun and making new playable characters from existing IPs.
CRAZY OL' NINTENDO THO!Why would Nintendo allow for fan mods to stand on the same ground as the actual game? Especially when that fanmod was adding in new unsanctioned characters.
Like who else has done that in a national tournament.
If Nintendo were to give Evo Japan, or any tournament for that matter, their blessing to run Project M on the side, then that can give the idea that Nintendo is ok with the mod and all of the extra IP shit that they were trying to get away with.Sure. But the way Nintendo has treated it's fanbase in general regarding competitive smash isn't great so I'm not giving them the benefit of the doubt.
And I know it's not ever gonna get a main stage at any tourney but as a little side thing I don't see why Nintendo should mind.
hm, I don't think so.
While no Smush or DBZ is awful
lets take a moment to praise the fact
MODDOFUDGING KOFXIV BRUHS
Off-topic but...this game is $15 on Steam and I'm interested. I've never really played the series before but I'm curious. Is it worth it (at that price) considering online is dead and none of my friends care enough to get it?Preach.
For those that may not know, SNK will be releasing a full roster balance patch as a new year present on December 31 for KOFXIV.
So Evo Japan will be XIV's first major tournament for the new version.
Off-topic but...this game is $15 on Steam and I'm interested. I've never really played the series before but I'm curious. Is it worth it (at that price) considering online is dead and none of my friends care enough to get it?
It's not dead though.Off-topic but...this game is $15 on Steam and I'm interested. I've never really played the series before but I'm curious. Is it worth it (at that price) considering online is dead and none of my friends care enough to get it?
It's got a bump due to the sale. When the dust settles, it's back to being dead.
I mean, USF4 averages out at 100 people as well and I find games everyday. Fighting games don't need really high numbers to not be dead.It's got a bump due to the sale. When the dust settles, it's back to being dead.
EDIT: It's actually FREE right now.
I think a lot of the animosity smash people get from the FGC stems from the fact that they have no interest in conventional fighting games at all. A sentiment echoed in this thread a bunch. So when a bunch of people attend an event like evo for smash they don't watch/support tournaments of any other game. Which a lot of old heads in the fgc see as leeching on their scene or whatever. I don't have a dog in this though.
Are you playing Ranked? With all the different levels and connections etc. that need to be considered, I've found that it can take very long to find matches with numbers like that. Unless the game just foregoes skill-based matchmaking altogether.I mean, USF4 averages out at 100 people as well and I find games everyday. Fighting games don't need really high numbers to not be dead.
Yes it's their fault, plenty of SF players prefer IV to V but they still moved on with everyone else because that's what you do to keep things interesting.
I'd have less of an issue with Smash being at Evo if it was one game.
I keep ranked matchmaking pretty open. Though I found that making my own lobby and letting people join is much easier and faster.Are you playing Ranked? With all the different levels and connections etc. that need to be considered, I've found that it can take very long to find matches with numbers like that. Unless the game just foregoes skill-based matchmaking altogether.
I think it's more likely that the majority of the community think of Smash as a kids game/party game with platforms that is so radically different from traditional fighters so they hate on it. I mean, people always jump on hating things they don't understand.
No, because they sure do look alike when I'm watching tournament streams, and that's all I care about as a spectator.Wasn't expecting the Move On meme. Would it help if people explained to you that the games don't play anything alike?