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FCC Chief Ajit Pai makes his argument for Net Neutrality Repeal
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Imagine the water company charging you for Evaine water through your kitchen sink and zephyrhills through your bathroom sink.
Imagine having to choose among Internet package "bundles" much like cable channel packages. Want your Facebook? That'll be an additional $5. Instagram? +$2. Not on the Premium Streaming package? Sorry, your Netflix streaming is limited to 480p bandwidth.
Net Neutrality helps treat Internet now like an unregulated utility, like power and water. The fight is to keep it that way.
this is what is going around. this is what it looks like in Spain & Portugal, with no net neutrality.
I always like to compare it to cities selling upkeep of roads to private businesses. The internet is now used to get to stores and for business transactions, much like roads. Now imagine Target, or Ford, bid to keep up the roads. For a while they made roads that went everywhere. Then they realized that they needed some growth to make their shareholders happy. So the roads to Target are nice, while the roads to small shops and WalMart turn to crap. Or maybe everyone has access to the roads, but you get a discount, or can drive in the fast lane, if you own a Ford car. Chances are, you will eventually buy a Ford and only shop at Target.
Pretty sure that graphic was a pro-net neutrality image put together in 2009, not an actual service offering.
https://www.buzzfeed.com/jwherrman/...tmare-scenario?utm_term=.ygr68yR3d#.icaL2xY6Q
https://www.buzzfeed.com/jwherrman/...tmare-scenario?utm_term=.ygr68yR3d#.icaL2xY6Q
Oh here is the final draft, ajit pai just send a nuclear missile just to destroy the whole internet. He doesn't care about you, he cares about the corporations.
https://www.theverge.com/2017/11/22...t=chorus&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter
https://www.theverge.com/2017/11/22...t=chorus&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter
Anyone else trying to call your representatives and finding their mailbox full? This is annoying that they don't have an unlimited voicemail box considering the size of the constituents.
Here are some real world examples:
Portugal
Cellphone plans will be leading the way to how they will treat data. It is going to be a matter of time.
Here are some real world examples:
Portugal
Cellphone plans will be leading the way to how they will treat data. It is going to be a matter of time.
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i said it's going around is all. and they're on the wrong kind of drugs if they think that's a "pro" argument.
Anyone else trying to call your representatives and finding their mailbox full? This is annoying that they don't have an unlimited voicemail box considering the size of the constituents.
Here are some real world examples:
Portugal
Cellphone plans will be leading the way to how they will treat data. It is going to be a matter of time.
Holy crap, it actually exists already. What the hell Spain and Portugal.
Lol at people showing pics of Spain and Portugal. Both countries have MUCH cheaper broadband and mobile prices than the US with very widely available FTTH. You could not have picked a worse pair of markets to illustrate your point.
Go to Vodafone's UK website. Look at Vodafone PASS.
Zero rating on mobile is allowed but it is monitored by the national regulator in each EEA market
Go to Vodafone's UK website. Look at Vodafone PASS.
Zero rating on mobile is allowed but it is monitored by the national regulator in each EEA market
it's not about the price, it's about the lack of neutrality. that's the topic at hand here. nobody is discussing whether or not it would be cheaper with a segmented internet because that's too laughable to mention. of course it wouldn't be.
How do I access twitch on Portugal and Spain mobile plans?
Edit - I see, I pay 4.99 euros extra for it? Was it blocked it first came out?
let them charge what they want. I'm sure the market will decide what a fair price would be. If you don't like it, just don't use any internet. Vote with your wallet, and also vote conservative.
the series of tubes should be regulated by the free market just like everything else. you might like friendtube and youtube, but not want newstube or gamestube. the people should have a choice in what tubes they want to pay for because that is what America is all about. Freedom of choice.
the series of tubes should be regulated by the free market just like everything else. you might like friendtube and youtube, but not want newstube or gamestube. the people should have a choice in what tubes they want to pay for because that is what America is all about. Freedom of choice.
Zero rating in the EU is allowed for mobile. It is not for fixed line broadband. Arguing against zero rating on mobile is literally asinine. Moreover it already exists in the US with T-Mobile's Binge On. The key is the FCC allowed it as long as no one service is favoured - DT allow any service to sign up for zero rating, they do not charge them. All they have to do is have the right code for the EPC.
The same thing is true in the EU. Facebook or Netflix do not pay for zero rating, the telcos elect to do it. They want to drive up mobile usage. KPN did have a deal with Spotify and the Dutch regulator banned it.
Spain and Portugal are literally some of the most pro consumer telecoms markets in the world.
lol yeah i forgot to telegraph. don't want to be too 'real satire'.
I'll refuse to change my AT&T plan ever again. I'll take their tails to court if they try to change things or if they try to drop my plan due to usage.
I have Unlimited Plus and use their Velocity Wifi/Internet device on the plan. Pushed over 800GB in data this month. (Xbox One X game downloads/4k content mostly) The speed only tends to drop some in the evenings (during heavy cell use), but 99% of the time I get super fast internet.
I have Unlimited Plus and use their Velocity Wifi/Internet device on the plan. Pushed over 800GB in data this month. (Xbox One X game downloads/4k content mostly) The speed only tends to drop some in the evenings (during heavy cell use), but 99% of the time I get super fast internet.
Ha! I was thinking someone else must be acknowledging this ominous irony.
Text of FCC 'Proposal to Restore Internet Freedom' released, eradicates net neutrality rules
Deregulate me if already posted
http://appleinsider.com/articles/17...edom-released-eradicates-net-neutrality-rules
Deregulate me if already posted
At this point, I think the Democrats need to make it clear to this guy that in 3 years he will be under investigation.
this is what is going around. this is what it looks like in Spain & Portugal, with no net neutrality.
This type of shit would just make me wanna bail out of the internet altogether and just play singleplayer, offline games from 10 years ago for the rest of my life. I'd even climb up to the top of my house and stick a giant HD antenna on my roof if I had to to avoid cable companies.
I know one thing - physical Blu-Ray discs and BD-players are going to get really popular if ISPs start squeezing bandwidth lanes.
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The nefarious nature of zero rating would come from doing just that. In reality the situation is far more nuanced than people realise, especially in mobile. That is why there is some space given to regulators in each EEA market to allow certain instances. Vodafone offer what is effectively unlimited data for the vast majority of consumers (>95%) at prices starting GBP20/mth for 20GB 4G. You can also elect to buy a cheaper data bundle and top it up with zero rated streaming video (Netflix, YouTube and other services which have been enabled on Vodafone's EPC) for an additional GBP9.99. In reality when you start doing this it is cheaper for you to buy the 20GB bundle. You could not argue that Vodafone is favouring Netflix and YouTube here with a straight face. The situation is not actually clear cut in mobile at all because mobile is currently a pay per GB model for the majority of users.
If you look at emerging markets you will find that many sell individual data packages for specific services like facebook or LINE or WhatsApp. This tends to happen in markets where consumers have lower purchasing power.
However as mobile trends to unlimited data (bundle sizes are at the point where that is the next logical step) the issue of zero rating disappears instantly. Access will be sold exactly like fixed broadband on speed alone. Some markets already have this see Sweden or Finland.
Net neutrality is primarily an issue for fixed line broadband. Why? Fixed line broadband is a monopoly or duopoly in many markets, even in the EU (despite the many unbundlers), they can throttle and get away with it because consumers do not have other choices. Mobile in Europe is often a 3 or 4 player market with fierce levels of competition. Those in the EU do not need to worry about net neutrality rules being overturned, the individual national regulatory bodies tend to be exceptionally good at their jobs. US wireless is also unlikely to throttle and charge extra either because the TMUS/Sprint deal was blocked and both operators need to gain scale against Verizon and AT&T.
I actually received a press release il from an industry lobbyist today decrying that the EU is being left behind because the FCC has decided to change the rules and that the EU rules are burdensome and stifle innovation etc. Total rubbish.
Everybody will have cheap, easy access to the internet, and it will be available in virtually every home!
Not sure if posted but I wonder what this is about.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/n...omments/ar-BBFutgl?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartanntp
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/n...omments/ar-BBFutgl?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartanntp
It's related to Comcast allegedly misusing customer information to bombard the FCC comment section. Some person pointed it out on a website called Comcastroturfing and Comcast C&D'd the site almost immediately. Sounds like the FCC isn't helping investigate that. Big fucking surprise when the FCC is literally just corporate ballwashers now.
Yep, I saw it myself, tons of comments in favor of Ajit Pai's idiot proposal, all identical, all made in the names of folks who didn't even know the ISPs (or whoever it was) were doing it.
In 2021, after we enshrine net neutrality, ban broadband caps, and force ISPs to justify any rate increase with the FCC, we need to investigate this and jail as many folks as we can.
In 2021, after we enshrine net neutrality, ban broadband caps, and force ISPs to justify any rate increase with the FCC, we need to investigate this and jail as many folks as we can.
Is there anyone Trump has put in place that isn't dumber than a rock? This would be prime evidence of collusion between the Republicans on the board and the telecom companies when this goes to court.
Collusion... there goes that word again :/
His proposal guarantees us nothing but guarantees ISPs almost everything.
Regulatory capture is very real.
Regulatory capture is very real.
Imagine currently you pay for electricity to power your house. Currently you are able to run all your appliances etc via your electricity unimpeded other than paying for what you use at a nominal rate. (which is semi-neutral for the most part).
Now Instead of a flat usage rate etc. imagine on top of that you also had to pay to access each appliance. Where you would have to pay extra to access your toaster, your fridge etc.
Right now ISPs are currently imposing Data Caps like the electric company but not on a per byte basis but are capping people and charging overages NOW they want to be able to charge people to access certain content like a cable package. So they are pretty much double dipping on consumers. That's why removing net neutrality is bad.
The only brightside if this does pass is that it also raises the idea that maybe ISPs need to be regulated like electric utilities and be broken up so if this does go through this may start a battle that now ISPs should be treated like utilities. So even if we do lose this huge battle this opens the door for us to totally fuck ISPs even more by more regulation and breaking them up to opening people up to way more choices kinda like Electric companies today but with the volatility currently even if the FCC does make this happen. It could get blown away again by the next administration.
There is a lot going on with this. But honestly it shouldn't get this far and allow ISPs to be able to bundle content like cable today. Big companies like VZ, Comcast, ATT see the writing on the wall and have been unloading their less profitable lower speed internet service and acquiring media companies in preperation of being able to now bundle internet content.
Undo Obama regulation
Create jobs somehow
non-sequitur about impoverished rural america
Anti-market ideologues scaring trump voters
If he told us that ending net neutrality would also "protect our childen", too I would have won Lobbyist bingo
Create jobs somehow
non-sequitur about impoverished rural america
Anti-market ideologues scaring trump voters
If he told us that ending net neutrality would also "protect our childen", too I would have won Lobbyist bingo
Okay, so when this obviously passes in December, what is the next move? Do ISPs immediately start changing the way they do business, or do they wait for the courts to settle it again?
So with Google/SpaceX plan to launch their satellite network in 2019/2020 wouldn't that effectively undercut Comcast/Vertizon's/ATT's ability mess with people's internet? There would finally be another provider for everyone int he country.
Pretty sure that satellite internet isn't going to replace any sort of fiber or cable networks where latency matters unless there's been some massive breakthroughs that I wasn't aware of.
It is gigabit speeds with 20-35 ms latency. It will be low earth orbit unlike current sat providers. https://arstechnica.com/information...lite-internet-with-low-latency-gigabit-speed/
Doubtful. Netflix even said the fight for net neutrality is not their primary concern.
https://www.recode.net/2017/5/31/15720268/netflix-ceo-reed-hastings-net-neutrality-open-internet
That's discouraging
Netflix will suffer with Net Neutrality
I worry more about any other video streaming services that aren't giants like Netflix or Google or Amazon and the like.