I am aware of XV's dark past. I still can't see the correlation between this and a potential release of XV's complete edition though.
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I get want you want to say, but isn't "fan demand" the same as "it sold f'n good let's sell more" and isn't this milking? If not, what else?
I will probably buy this one and play some of the new stuff to try it out, just, at the time back, it felt awkward that a singleplayer RPG like this got "events" and shit. That screamed "Gam$s as a s$rvice" to me. But if people like it, what can I say. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Nothing against that.
Oh yeah, I completely agree. They can't jam the episode DLC's in there the way they are, I don't get why people ask for that to happen.
No, I mean actual fan demand based on surveys that fans partook in and with the devs going and meeting fans at conventions like PAX, Gamescom, Japan Expo etc to get direct feedback from them, and the entire reason they even did the survey in the first place was because of so many people writing to them in the previous written feedback to things they wanted to see.
XV already broke even and profited and SE is in a very healthy position right now, BD2 is already moving onto their new IP aiming at next gen, and inspite of that the only reason they're doing the new 2018 DLC sutff is because of fans, it wasn't going to happen otherwise. Things like an Ardyn playable episode was never planned to begin with, nor was Luna ever going ot be a playable character either, they're making them because they're things fans want to see.
They talked about all of this a lot in the last months if you're actually interested, e.g. this interview:
The only way I would be on board with more FFXV is if they made a game based around Ardyn, set 1000 years before the current cast and fishing mini games.
GaaS doesn't only refer to games with a multiplayer mode, any game that receives updates after launch is considered GaaS, even then, a lot of the updates were free, I'm not sure why you are using dollar signs as if they were ripping people off, hell even the price of the season pass is really low compared to the amount of content you get these days.
Ok, interesting.
Is the content good tho and really adds something to the game, specially the second batch?
Well, there's Ardyn DLC coming this year that hopefully is set in his past and not during the present time/main game, which would be super disappointing.
They havn't gone into detail yet on the 2018 batch of DLC but have said they plan on making it more focussed in them than the current Episode DLCs since they aren't spread as thin now as they were last year.
Oh that's cool. Ardyn was an intriguing character, dare I say the only tolerable one.
Haven't played the multiplayer, but two out of the three Story DLCs are good. Ignis and Prompto. Gladio's is just there.
Yeah sure, there're around 2 hours each for each episode. Gladio's is more focussed on the combat and is in a dungeon, Prompto's feels more character focussed and has an open area to mess around in, Ignis's feels more setpiece story focused and has more setpiece action sequences.
It really depends if you've enjoyed the base game or not, I liked them personally, they helped fleshing out the story and some characters characters a lot, I wouldn't recommend them for someone who wasn't a fan of the game or it was ok at best for him/her though.
Was talked about since September. Likely 3 pieces of DLC with the first one being about Ardyn, another one likely about Luna, and the third one we don't know yet. Hopefully they'll reveal the roadmap for this year's content soon.
The most recent comment on the 2018 content:
Yeah, one is Ardyn's Episode, one about Luna though not specifically confirmed in regards to her yet but heavily implied, and a mystery one.
Though I have a hunch that the three DLC will be in reference to things that were on the survey, and since the only characters with story stuff in regards to them on it were Ardyn, Luna and Cor, the third one may be about Cor. And if it is about Cor I kinda hope it's taking place in the past with his time with Regis, since we already know what he's doing in the present.
Thanks, not a fan of the game, but I really like the story and the characters. So I will give the game a try again, and then the DLCs if I get back into it.
More like Final Fantasy XV: Royal Edition*
*Narrative sold separately,
Of the 3 Story DLCs they released I'd say the only mediocre one is Gladio's. Prompto and Ignis' DLC are quite good with Ignis being the best one. They really add to the story and are worth playing.
Even the Comrade one is fairly decent if needing some fixes. I won't lie, I will probably buy this for PC depending on content/pricing.
Haven't touched Comrades too much. I wanted to wait for them to work out the kinks for a few months before putting time into it. Looks nice.
Goddamnit era. I want one final, definitive, ultimate, royal, imperial, GOTY edition with EVERY update in existence. Is that too hard.
all that's left is some more story added in to flesh out the main story and fix the summons or a new summoning system. The game to me has so much damn content with that season pass.
If you can find the Deluxe Edition at 30$, I'd say yes.
I don't like the game but you might enjoy it.
I mean you could since the foundation of the game won't magically change fundamentally, but maybe wait just a bit to see the roadmap for the 2018 content they promised (free story updates for the main game and new DLC) - hopefully this month still. Then you could decide if you want to wait another few months to see how the first round of story updates will have turned out to be and if they are an actually substantial improvement to the narrative. The end of this year will definitely be the when all updates are done, though, and you will get the definitive experience with all the new and extended cutscenes, gameplay improvements, and the two Season Passes.
Early Access games are work in progress that people test them out and give feedback so they can make further improvements to make these games as good as possible. This isn't quite the same as what FFXV is or was. It was known before it's launch that FFXV would get DLC episodes and a multiplayer mode thus the season pass, like it happens with most big games. Other features such as off road driving, playable bros are things that the team was either planning since always and couldn't deliver cause of time time constraints or included them because fans kept asking for them, which happens often with some games. Tabata and his team were from the start very clear that they want a close relationship with the fans in order to please them and make the game as enjoyable as possible.
Also, i don't think the last part is true. Koozek is not defending FFXV, he is just stating his opinion and i've seen him quite a few times saying what he doesn't like about the game.
[Worth It At Any Price] > > > > > > > X > > [Bargain Price]
I actually bought it over again for 1X after having it for a full year on PS4 (but never finishing it). The story is clearer and the questing/hunt setup is so much more user friendly than before. If you've got room in your budget/free time/shelf for a "definitely worth a try" sort of game, this is a good choice. It's anything but perfect, but there's so much fun to be had if you do get into it.
Now includes a somewhat completed narrative, as in the original release.
Additionally 3 separate story based dlc that should never be included in the main game.
Bahamut wing?^^
What if it's symbolizing his love for his old and lost black Chocobo pal? :sob:
Does Ardyn's black wing represent his black chocobo?
Recall the black wing Ardyn is sometimes seen carrying. Now, consider this concept art that features Ardyn riding a black chocobo while a crowd showers praise upon him:
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In particular, consider two things this concept art tells us: First, it informs us that some 2000 years ago — before the public was poisoned against him, turned on him, and killed him because of the person the "Izunia" name originally belonged to — Ardyn was glorified. Second, it tells us that he had a black chocobo.
Those things in mind, a question presents itself: Did Ardyn's executioners also execute his chocobo? Is that what Ardyn's wing represents: a lost companion?
Obviously, it's at least in part a reference to Sephiroth from Final Fantasy VII, but it can still serve a function specific to this game and this character, just as so many other references throughout the game are more than Easter Egg alone.
For this fan, it's remarkable how much the notion humanizes Ardyn, who has long since lost his humanity in every sense of speaking. Sure, once one learns that he was scorned by the Crystal and the gods for helping people who were suffering, albeit in a way they didn't approve of, one is already aware that he was given a raw deal. At the least, one is aware of this in an academic sense — and for some of us, that and the lore associated with him is sufficient to make him an interesting character.
Unlike some Final Fantasy villains with unfair treatment in their backstories, we do learn that Ardyn had been doing genuinely good things before betrayal and divine indifference left him abandoned some 2000 years ago. While one may feel an inkling of a sense of injustice for him, there are ever present reminders that he has done inexcusable things to people who had nothing to do with his suffering. Even if the Starscourge is actually influencing his negativity some level, he's still very much aware of what he's doing and why. And it's extremely petty.
Without being able to apply more than just the betrayal he faced to Ardyn's past, it could be difficult to feel for him as much as one would like to. However, looking at that concept art above, as well as the piece depicting him with his arms shackled above his head … picturing him possibly having gone on a long, lonely adventure to save innocent people with just his trusted chocobo for company (maybe he's had this chocobo its whole life, or maybe he met it in the wild during the journey); doing these great things; receiving the gratitude and love of people everywhere like Oracles receive in the present; and then being betrayed by someone trusted — seeing those looks of thanks and adoration twist into repulsion and loathing; watching his beloved companion be dismembered before him; feeling helpless as he is stripped of clothing and dignity, then shackled and perhaps tortured; eventually slipping away into what should have been the release of death only to then become aware of the contamination caking his very soul, rendering it unable to find rest within the literal heart of the now contemptuous world he had tried to save; and finally finding himself back in the realm of the living that had become nothing but pain and horror to him …
Headcanon or not, fanfiction or no — it's the push needed to make Ardyn fully into a fascinating character, simultaneously pitiable and detestable. He needs this so that we can feel the compassion for him that Noctis was able to in the end.
Of course Noct is able to do it: he's the King of Light, the Chosen who will bring the Dawn. He's us as we really would like to imagine we could be. You expect him to pity the villain who has hurt him so much even if we can't — but as the player, you've probably bonded with a chocobo during your travels. For that matter, you've even bonded with a car and experienced heartache at watching it "die."
For this fan at the least, making this connection added a valuable dimension to the character.
Recall the black wing Ardyn is sometimes seen carrying. Now, consider this concept art that features Ardyn riding a black chocobo while a crowd showers praise upon him:
____________________________________________________
____________________________________________________
In particular, consider two things this concept art tells us: First, it informs us that some 2000 years ago — before the public was poisoned against him, turned on him, and killed him because of the person the "Izunia" name originally belonged to — Ardyn was glorified. Second, it tells us that he had a black chocobo.
Those things in mind, a question presents itself: Did Ardyn's executioners also execute his chocobo? Is that what Ardyn's wing represents: a lost companion?
Obviously, it's at least in part a reference to Sephiroth from Final Fantasy VII, but it can still serve a function specific to this game and this character, just as so many other references throughout the game are more than Easter Egg alone.
For this fan, it's remarkable how much the notion humanizes Ardyn, who has long since lost his humanity in every sense of speaking. Sure, once one learns that he was scorned by the Crystal and the gods for helping people who were suffering, albeit in a way they didn't approve of, one is already aware that he was given a raw deal. At the least, one is aware of this in an academic sense — and for some of us, that and the lore associated with him is sufficient to make him an interesting character.
Unlike some Final Fantasy villains with unfair treatment in their backstories, we do learn that Ardyn had been doing genuinely good things before betrayal and divine indifference left him abandoned some 2000 years ago. While one may feel an inkling of a sense of injustice for him, there are ever present reminders that he has done inexcusable things to people who had nothing to do with his suffering. Even if the Starscourge is actually influencing his negativity some level, he's still very much aware of what he's doing and why. And it's extremely petty.
Without being able to apply more than just the betrayal he faced to Ardyn's past, it could be difficult to feel for him as much as one would like to. However, looking at that concept art above, as well as the piece depicting him with his arms shackled above his head … picturing him possibly having gone on a long, lonely adventure to save innocent people with just his trusted chocobo for company (maybe he's had this chocobo its whole life, or maybe he met it in the wild during the journey); doing these great things; receiving the gratitude and love of people everywhere like Oracles receive in the present; and then being betrayed by someone trusted — seeing those looks of thanks and adoration twist into repulsion and loathing; watching his beloved companion be dismembered before him; feeling helpless as he is stripped of clothing and dignity, then shackled and perhaps tortured; eventually slipping away into what should have been the release of death only to then become aware of the contamination caking his very soul, rendering it unable to find rest within the literal heart of the now contemptuous world he had tried to save; and finally finding himself back in the realm of the living that had become nothing but pain and horror to him …
Headcanon or not, fanfiction or no — it's the push needed to make Ardyn fully into a fascinating character, simultaneously pitiable and detestable. He needs this so that we can feel the compassion for him that Noctis was able to in the end.
Of course Noct is able to do it: he's the King of Light, the Chosen who will bring the Dawn. He's us as we really would like to imagine we could be. You expect him to pity the villain who has hurt him so much even if we can't — but as the player, you've probably bonded with a chocobo during your travels. For that matter, you've even bonded with a car and experienced heartache at watching it "die."
For this fan at the least, making this connection added a valuable dimension to the character.
Makes me wish I'd waited. I bought the game at launch, but have only put a couple of hours into it.
Bahamut wing?^^
What if it's symbolizing his love for his old and lost black Chocobo pal? :sob:
Does Ardyn's black wing represent his black chocobo?
Recall the black wing Ardyn is sometimes seen carrying. Now, consider this concept art that features Ardyn riding a black chocobo while a crowd showers praise upon him:
____________________________________________________
____________________________________________________
In particular, consider two things this concept art tells us: First, it informs us that some 2000 years ago — before the public was poisoned against him, turned on him, and killed him because of the person the "Izunia" name originally belonged to — Ardyn was glorified. Second, it tells us that he had a black chocobo.
Those things in mind, a question presents itself: Did Ardyn's executioners also execute his chocobo? Is that what Ardyn's wing represents: a lost companion?
Obviously, it's at least in part a reference to Sephiroth from Final Fantasy VII, but it can still serve a function specific to this game and this character, just as so many other references throughout the game are more than Easter Egg alone.
For this fan, it's remarkable how much the notion humanizes Ardyn, who has long since lost his humanity in every sense of speaking. Sure, once one learns that he was scorned by the Crystal and the gods for helping people who were suffering, albeit in a way they didn't approve of, one is already aware that he was given a raw deal. At the least, one is aware of this in an academic sense — and for some of us, that and the lore associated with him is sufficient to make him an interesting character.
Unlike some Final Fantasy villains with unfair treatment in their backstories, we do learn that Ardyn had been doing genuinely good things before betrayal and divine indifference left him abandoned some 2000 years ago. While one may feel an inkling of a sense of injustice for him, there are ever present reminders that he has done inexcusable things to people who had nothing to do with his suffering. Even if the Starscourge is actually influencing his negativity some level, he's still very much aware of what he's doing and why. And it's extremely petty.
Without being able to apply more than just the betrayal he faced to Ardyn's past, it could be difficult to feel for him as much as one would like to. However, looking at that concept art above, as well as the piece depicting him with his arms shackled above his head … picturing him possibly having gone on a long, lonely adventure to save innocent people with just his trusted chocobo for company (maybe he's had this chocobo its whole life, or maybe he met it in the wild during the journey); doing these great things; receiving the gratitude and love of people everywhere like Oracles receive in the present; and then being betrayed by someone trusted — seeing those looks of thanks and adoration twist into repulsion and loathing; watching his beloved companion be dismembered before him; feeling helpless as he is stripped of clothing and dignity, then shackled and perhaps tortured; eventually slipping away into what should have been the release of death only to then become aware of the contamination caking his very soul, rendering it unable to find rest within the literal heart of the now contemptuous world he had tried to save; and finally finding himself back in the realm of the living that had become nothing but pain and horror to him …
Headcanon or not, fanfiction or no — it's the push needed to make Ardyn fully into a fascinating character, simultaneously pitiable and detestable. He needs this so that we can feel the compassion for him that Noctis was able to in the end.
Of course Noct is able to do it: he's the King of Light, the Chosen who will bring the Dawn. He's us as we really would like to imagine we could be. You expect him to pity the villain who has hurt him so much even if we can't — but as the player, you've probably bonded with a chocobo during your travels. For that matter, you've even bonded with a car and experienced heartache at watching it "die."
For this fan at the least, making this connection added a valuable dimension to the character.
Nice theory but a reallllll stretch at this point.
