Look, I'm not saying Las Vegas is a great place to go racing. I'd prefer them to go back to Indy instead of having another street circuit. But I was more pushing back against the complaints about the US getting another race.
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There's a ton of Motorsport tradition based in Florida alone. Adding an event in Miami is not a bad thing, what's bad are the prices, but that's just how these things go.
COTA is the one chance the US has to see F1 in a purpose built circuit that also serves other race events/series is the ideal. Getting rid of it for a Street Circuit that only exists 1 time in the year is a massive downgrade. I have had great times at COTA, for both F1 and Indy.
Someone on Reddit put this together trying to figure out how the layout would work. Thats one long straight.
I like the track layout, but last year it looked like it was in need of a full resurfacing to smooth out all the bumps. Isnt the ground there sinking or something?
They are currently resurfacing the problem spots on the track for this years races.
The layout is basically the Bahrain outer ring with an added hairpin and also turn three from Sochi.
Yes, in the first I'm complimenting its merits as a circuit and then bashing it visually.
I'm not totally against a third USA GP but I would like a more rounded WC. I kinda get why they like to - to grow the sport and America is huge so more people would get to see it but I thought perhaps a West coast race and a East coast race suffice.
Just think that Asia and Africa are really under represented and it be good to see more races there. Think they could easily drop a couple of European races and nothing will be missed.
I would like to see something like this (not in calendar order obvs).
1. Australia
Heritage races: (European leg)
2. Britain
3. Italy
4. Germany
5. France
6. Belgium
7. Spain
8. European GP
America's leg
9. Canada
10. USA (W)
11. USA (E)
12. Mexico
13. Brazil
14. America's GP
Asia leg
15 . Japan
16. Thailand/Indonesia
17. Malaysia
18. Singapore
19. China
20. India
21. Asian GP
22. Bahrain
23. Abu Dhabi
24. South Africa
Could maybe take out one of the Asia races towards another African race.
Would also like to see host countries rotate their races if possible. Perhaps silverstone one year, Donnington the following. Susaka one year, Fuji the next. Melbourne/Adelaide etc etc. Also like to see the European Grand Prix/Pacific to return. Make it a triple crown event (European, America's and Asia) with its own trophy. And again make it so that countries can apply to host the event for that year. Means countries like Finland, Vietnam etc could get in the calender now and again.
Havn't thought about this a lot. Honestly 😂
Just think that Asia and Africa are really under represented and it be good to see more races there. Think they could easily drop a couple of European races and nothing will be missed.
I would like to see something like this (not in calendar order obvs).
1. Australia
Heritage races: (European leg)
2. Britain
3. Italy
4. Germany
5. France
6. Belgium
7. Spain
8. European GP
America's leg
9. Canada
10. USA (W)
11. USA (E)
12. Mexico
13. Brazil
14. America's GP
Asia leg
15 . Japan
16. Thailand/Indonesia
17. Malaysia
18. Singapore
19. China
20. India
21. Asian GP
22. Bahrain
23. Abu Dhabi
24. South Africa
Could maybe take out one of the Asia races towards another African race.
Would also like to see host countries rotate their races if possible. Perhaps silverstone one year, Donnington the following. Susaka one year, Fuji the next. Melbourne/Adelaide etc etc. Also like to see the European Grand Prix/Pacific to return. Make it a triple crown event (European, America's and Asia) with its own trophy. And again make it so that countries can apply to host the event for that year. Means countries like Finland, Vietnam etc could get in the calender now and again.
Havn't thought about this a lot. Honestly 😂
On the one hand, I'd really rather that they come in as a new team. But on the other, seems like Merc is supplying engines for too many teams- nice to see some diversity there.
Shift+F1 did a season primer that you might find useful (apologies if this was linked earlier in the thread).
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I wonder if they will be closing off the rooftop area where the ice rink is in the winter. That has a great and easy view of the strip. Maybe they will charge to stand up there or something
Great of us Aussies though. It'll be about 4 pm on a Sunday afternoon for us :D
They also have 1/3rd the TV audience of even just the UK, and while Texas was the most attended race weekend it was only just ahead of Silverstone and that's because Silverstone is at capacity.
There is possibly justification for a 2nd US race, although the fanbase doesn't yet support it even with a Drive to Survive bubble but 3 is insane when it'll be at the direct cost of a country with many times the F1 fanbase and many decades longer an F1 tradition losing a race entirely. But that's the current owners I guess.
Italy shouldn't have 2, much less this 3rd one wherever that's supposed to be either mind. And Monaco should probably be considered the French GP if we have to keep it.
Presumably "Porsche" would be supplying both Red Bull teams but what's interesting here is if Audi does in this world come in as a partner/owner to McLaren they will be obligated to also supply someone else if asked. And potentially a 3rd depending on where the others goes and if Andretti comes in as a new team.
The US has the best attended race, and is the fastest growing market for F1, but the fan base isn't actually there to support a second race. Lol yeah, sure. Ok pal.
The US has a tiny fanbase compared to most of the countries that 2nd and 3rd race would be at the expense of.
You are essentially arguing a country where less than 1 million and 0.3% watch each televised race, and that's probably a bubble figure, deserves 3 races at the expense of a single race somewhere where 3 million and 5% watch them.
Of course none of these decisions are made by any of these metrics, no matter how either of us want to read them. Las Vegas turned up with a very large pile of money just as Bahrain, Abu Dhabi, Baku, Singapore and several more did and all of that is what you get when you sell a sport to venture capitalists.
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You act like where races are held is a zero-sum game when it absolutely is not. Liberty and FOM couldn't care less about where the races are held, so long as they make as much money as possible. Races in the US aren't at the expense of races anywhere else. It's not like Liberty are flipping a coin trying to decide between Las Vegas and Hockenheim. If Hockenheim had enough cash to keep having the race, they would have it. But the fact is, they don't have the money, so there currently isn't a race at that circuit. That's all there is to it. Fairness, or some notion of motorsport tradition, or whatever, has absolutely nothing to do with any of this.
Oh now that would be cool. Maybe they wouldn't cost sixty fucking dollars, too!
I have bought two sixty dollar Ferrari hats because I love Ferrari and I'm a sucker
Actually thinking about it I've lived in Nascar central before and never saw any of that merch there so maybe I'm getting my hopes up.
Something tiny can be growing very quickly and still be tiny.
The US is a huge potential market, so I can see why FOM want to cater to it, but they are really putting the cart before the horse by announcing a 3rd race before the 2nd race has even been run for the first time.
Vegas is literally coming at the expense of races elsewhere. There is a limit to the number of races that can be run in a season, for both practical and contractual reasons.
If Vegas is run instead of Monaco or Paul Ricard then that's a huge win, but if it's run instead of Spa that will be a crime against motorsport.
I'd argue that the main problem is not street tracks like Vegas or the Miami GP and more having races in places like Jeddah.
People say Monaco is in danger because it doesn't have a contract but I get the feeling F1 will be happy to keep them around without all the special arrangements they had compared to all the other venues.
Spa is always the one at risk but from what I get it's proximity to the Netherlands is going to save it for the time being.
It sounds like Paul Ricard will be the one to pay the price here.
I managed to find that torrent from Reddit and downloaded the majority of the seasons. With the folders being almost 1.6T, my hard drive is weeping. It will be worth it though.
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And nothing of value was lost.
How's magny cours holding up these days.
maybe a 'some eggs in both baskets' thing? If I were either team I'd be cautious about them pulling the plug if they don't get quick results (if I were McLaren in particular as they'd need an engine supplier/ramp up, whereas Red Bull have a decent 'in house' engine donated to them as a start point)
wonder if that might mean McLaren get RedBull/Porsche/VAG engines?
Another race in the U.S isn't really problem. If anything, I think it will encourage even more sponsors and possibly manufacturers to enter (VAG is almost certainly happening).
The main issue is that we have too many races in the Middle East. Bahrain, Qatar, Saudi and Abu Dhabi taking up four slots for such a tiny population and market is the reason why the calendar is so populated.
The main issue is that we have too many races in the Middle East. Bahrain, Qatar, Saudi and Abu Dhabi taking up four slots for such a tiny population and market is the reason why the calendar is so populated.
I dont mind new tracks, gives also the teams less data to work with not having data from the years before.
One thing i am not a fan of is that every new track seems to be 6+ km in length.
Which means around 50 Laps and if you only have one real overtaking spot on a track then it gives the drivers less chances to do so.
One thing i am not a fan of is that every new track seems to be 6+ km in length.
Which means around 50 Laps and if you only have one real overtaking spot on a track then it gives the drivers less chances to do so.
I don't think anyone is against new tracks. They "just" need to provide chances for interesting and entertaining races, and not just look pretty.
I feel this has been "imminent" for months now, I'll wait for an official statement and will not be suprised if they decide not to do this at the last moment. But it would be great to see them enter F1.
Can't remember where exactly I heard it (may have been Joe Saward) but supposedly BMW want the road car business while Audi want the F1 team
I suspect the team would simply be rebranded as "Mclaren-Audi" with presumably an Audi power unit. Still a long way off though.
‘Qatar neemt plek Rusland in op Formule 1-kalender 2022’
De Grand Prix van Qatar moet de door Rusland achtergelaten lege plek op de Formule 1-kalender van 2022 opvullen, meldt de NOS.
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Qatar replaces Russia............................................
That's shit
So many better options or even legacy tracks, we get this...
I vaguely remember hearing such a rumor a little while back but not anything substantial. Would that mean BMW buys up McLeran for the assets or they also keep the road going/consumer "brand" and Audi/VW group gets all of the F1 assets (and in term rebranded them Audi or Porsche?
He really is the modern day equivalent to Jarno Trulli, on and off the track.
Yes I know today's date... :P
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