I did the ice with element thing I was still taking damage on cloud, both materia maxed out
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One of the most underrated parts of the game is interacting with that Shinra manager. How there's all this tension between him and Barret through multiple encounters and he doubles down on the Shinra team propaganda out of fear.
Then when the shit goes down, Tifa tells him to get himself and others out, and he's like, "but you're Avalanche" and she says "I don't want you to die" and they both understand each other.
That's a great moment, and is the kind of material that makes the game more than the sum of its parts.
My opinion matches yours exactly. Loved the game (my game of the year so far), but that last chapter just left a bit of a sour taste in my mouth. On the one hand, I respect what they are trying to do. But at the same time, wish this game wasn't where they attempted it. Curious to see what happens in part 2...
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On an unrelated note, I completely forgot that Rufus Shinra would appear in this. Been many years since I played the original, but I could have sworn he made his entrance much later in the original. Really enjoyed his Boss fight and overall design in this.
Suddenly Cid becomes a vastly more important character lol
How have I missed this? I'm already back at chapter 17 on my hard playthrough. That shit would've helped a lot.
Fight 1: Shiva
Fight 2: Fat Chocobo
Fight 3: Leviathan. Use manaward when it does tidal wave
Fight 4: Bahamut. Have weapons with reprieve and Aeriths 2nd limit for mega flare
Fight 5: Pride and joy. Final shinra robot. Easier than bahamut honestly.
Fight 2: Fat Chocobo
Fight 3: Leviathan. Use manaward when it does tidal wave
Fight 4: Bahamut. Have weapons with reprieve and Aeriths 2nd limit for mega flare
Fight 5: Pride and joy. Final shinra robot. Easier than bahamut honestly.
With a fully leveled elemental? That's weird. Her attacks should be healing you....
Ice materia linked to a fully lvled elemental materia right?
What? I didn't realize that, that's dumb shouldn't matter
Same, avoided entering this thread until I completed the game. Took me about a week of constantly playing.
Agreed. I was kinda hoping he would appear again at some point to see if his perspective had changed at all, but I don't remember seeing him or his family among the survivors after the plate fell...
On weapon it adds the element to attack, on gear it adds the element to defence. Same as in the original.
No, it makes a difference. If elemental + element is on your weapon, you do elemental damage. If it's on your armor, you gain elemental resistance.
Lol now it all makes sense. Yeah put it on your armor to get defensive immunity. If it's on your weapon you'll heal her instead cos you'll be doing ice dmg
Stop using vague definitions like "same". Same could be exactly what you have on PS4 and Switch and frickin' iOS now, or it even kinda mean a 90%-70% retread that the "remake" was. There's a huge spectrum.
Do it like this: "I wanted the main story elements to stay the same. I wanted them not to break the internal logic of the story with nomuraisms. I wanted the graphics, audio and systems to be updated, and I wanted additional content that expands the characters and setting."
See? Now people know what you mean by "same".
I'm a hardcore fan of FFVII, played all the games except for Before Crisis, hell I even genuinely and unironically enjoy Advent Children and Crisis Core additions to the canon.
And well, I loved what was done with the Remake. It's a what-if story, a tangent to the original.
It allows for a new story that both newcomers and veterans can enjoy.
The game isn't without faults, there are some empty moments and it can be as beautiful as ugly looking (midgar.png anyone ?), but story wise, I love it.
It's far, far more interesting than 1:1 remakes imho.
And well, I loved what was done with the Remake. It's a what-if story, a tangent to the original.
It allows for a new story that both newcomers and veterans can enjoy.
The game isn't without faults, there are some empty moments and it can be as beautiful as ugly looking (midgar.png anyone ?), but story wise, I love it.
It's far, far more interesting than 1:1 remakes imho.
The reply was in regards specifically to the story so why would he have to say all that lol
Even if we talk about story, there's still a huge range, because you don't know what each person's tolerance of change is before it's no longer same enough. Which should be blatantly obvious.
I wish I had 2 magnify materias, one for barrier and one for heal
Sucks you only get one but at least you get two elemental
I was responding to the person that said nobody wanted the story to be the same. I wanted the story to be the same.
As in... not changed. As in, no timetravel multiverse bullshit with a botched reveal of the main villain and a license to write a completely new story after the events of Midgar.
But alas, that was too much to ask.
Graphics, audio, combat, and other systems have nothing to do with the story. I expected those to be updated because I played the massive bait and switch that is the demo.
Sephiroth was able to retain his sense of self in the Lifestream by focusing on his hatred for Cloud. Cloud's memories of him are what help him keep coming back.
You'd need to off Cloud for Sephiroth to have no tether to the human world.
I also unironically enjoy Advent Children. There's dozens of us!
Significantly less interested in the next game now that I've beaten this. Sephiroth boss fight/ One winged Angel blew its load, weight of the sacrifice of the Avalanche crew and Zack is gone, now there's no telling how dumb it's gonna get with Nomura's Kingdom Hearts bullshit in the story. Maybe once I watch Max's videos about it and see some more info I'll turn around on it, but initial reaction to that ending is bad
Also Roche really showed up for one chapter and then dipped, huh?
Also Roche really showed up for one chapter and then dipped, huh?
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I still have no idea if you're ok with the topside mission. Or Jessie flirting with Cloud some more. Or the Shinra building expo. Or not showing Avalanche base. I hated the points where the story added the contrived timeline elements and I don't like that much meta in my good story, but I have no idea if I agree with you or not.
I dislike the argument "purists just wanted it to be 1:1 remake", which you see now just everywhere now. Hope we could do better here, that's the point of this whole conversation, isn't it? Not just to declare your hate but try to get why someone else found it the greatest thing ever. At least that's what I'm trying to do and I've gotten some really good responses and understood other people's point of views.
I assume Roche will show up again in a later part. Didn't really have anywhere else they could have shown up in part 1.
Lol you don't. At most you'll only get one stagger and that's a slow buildup with normal attacks
Also having the game being radically different from the original is a genius move business wise : they can keep selling the original. After all, why would you play it if you had a prettier and better version ?
No not really. Felt like filler that just slowed everything down and pushed off everything I was looking forward to. The core gameplay is good, so it wasn't intolerable to play through stuff like that, but I'd skip it if given the choice. It added nothing, and would ultimately be inconsequential in teh grand scheme of things. This is why Midgar is only maybe 8 hours in the original game. There's bigger and better things to get to, so wasting time on pointless side stuff isn't adding anything to the experience.
The entire Shinra building mission is fucked IMO because all the added filler ruins the tension. Especially when you get out of your cell and see the trail of dead bodies leading to the president. Don't even get me started on the Tifa monkey bars shit. That might be the most painful gameplay experience in the whole Remake, because it just seemed to exist ONLY to pad out the playtime... which wasn't needed at all. That goes for shit like "The Drum" which was at least an hour long "puzzle" section with way too many combat encounters where you're just going through the motions until it's all over. Again, didn't add anything to the experience, and is the moment in teh game when I turned it down to easy so everything would go faster and I could button mash through all the combat because I just couldn't be bothered anymore. The only time I turned the difficulty back up was the Rufus fight, which was excellent, but then I turned it back down because I just wanted to see the end for myself and put the game down forever.
I could rant endlessly about the things I didn't like here and I don't think there's anything anyone could say that would make me understand the point of view of people that liked this Remake. Unless you just don't care about the story at all and are in it for the combat and visuals. Then I can understand.
If I don't stagger him I get hit by mega flare for 9999 damage
That's why your weapons have reprieve on them. To survive megaflare. He does it again, use Aeriths 2nd limit break right before it fires(I never needed this)
Yeah, it absolutely kills me to say this, but despite her VA being great, they absolutely butchered Tifa's character to make her into some "waifu." She's not allowed to react to stuff beyond being sad and meek (anger at Shinra beyond clenching her fist once? anger at Sephiroth? trying to keep Cloud in sector 7? nah, that's too aggressive, she just has to be sweet and understanding).
What's more, every moment where she displayed confidence or took action on her own in the original has been replaced by someone else doing it for her, and she is constantly portrayed as completely useless and in need of saving by whatever other man is in the scene. The vast majority of the time it's Cloud grabbing her and pulling out of the way of something falling even though it adds NOTHING to the scene beyond wanting to have another moment of her being completely useless, but Barret gets in on it too and they even have Leslie push her out of the way of Abzu! Leslie! Tifa can't do ANYTHING by herself in this game.
They try to pull some BS "oh she's totally empowered, go girl" by giving her two moments where she displays her strength by punching random enemies that mean nothing to the plot at all (the Eligor fight and one of the test subjects after saving Red XIII). It's like they wanted to distill her character down into a friendly shy girl trope and chopped everything else about her off. The stupid ending I can compartmentalize as stupid new stuff, but I can't ignore Tifa's characterization in the same way. It's absolutely the worst portrayal of any of the characters in the game and made me mad as it went along.
Tifa was always the soft-spoken, considerate girl who could beat stuff up. Aerith was the one with more agency despite being the healer archetype.
It was deliberate role reversal based on their aesthetics. If anything, Tifa does more this time around than in the original. Fleshing out her character only shows that she's always been demure and supportive towards Cloud. Which I guess doesn't resonate with some people's image of her.
It was deliberate role reversal based on their aesthetics. If anything, Tifa does more this time around than in the original. Fleshing out her character only shows that she's always been demure and supportive towards Cloud. Which I guess doesn't resonate with some people's image of her.
Genesis vs. Seph rematch without Genesis' inability to heal from wounds (thus being at full strength) would be a fight I'd love to see in the remake, if they retconned it to bring him in the plot earlier than DoC in the new timeline.
I've never once heard of the devs corroborating this but perhaps you have some sources? Seems like a boring oversimplification.
She was somewhat of a blank slate.
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