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Final Fantasy VII Remake Spoilers Thread, Part 2: Stay Kalm & Mosey Along (UPDATE: Ultimania’s list of four key story changes)
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“#FF7RUltimania Sephiroth appearances (continued) 16) Ch 18- Illusion (appears at the end of Midgar Highway) 17) Ch 18- Unknown (appears at the other side of the Wall of Fate) 18) Ch 18- Unknown (Fights Cloud and the others)”
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In chapter 17, in front of JENOVA, it says it was a black robed man that "everyone can see." What does everyone see? Does TIFA see a black robe, or does she see an image of Sephiroth?
So it's pretty obvious now Hollow is about Aerith. It makes me wonder specifically about this part in the lyrics.
"With your every smile
Hiding something more
Dark mysteries
Lurking beneath"
We already know this but it's clear Aerith is hiding a lot and I wonder how that will eventually play out when she is revealing what she knows. With the whispers gone it makes it even more curious as to why she doesn't just spill shit lmao
Tifa at least saw Sephiroth because the first thing she says when entering the Presidential office is "where is Sephiroth?".
Palmer also saw the same figure as Sephiroth.
Barret too. Or at least, the person he saw looks the same at the end of the highway.
☆オードリーAudrey☆ on Twitter
“#FF7RUltimania Sephiroth appearances (continued) 16) Ch 18- Illusion (appears at the end of Midgar Highway) 17) Ch 18- Unknown (appears at the other side of the Wall of Fate) 18) Ch 18- Unknown (Fights Cloud and the others)”
In chapter 17, in front of JENOVA, it says it was a black robed man that "everyone can see." What does everyone see? Does TIFA see a black robe, or does she see an image of Sephiroth?
She saw Sephiroth-figure like Palmer and everyone else.
I mean, let's say if she just saw a black robe man there, it still didn't explain her non-reaction. He's Marco, black robe man number 49. You'd think Tifa would recognize her close neighbour back at the slum.
so with the soundtrack out at 156 songs
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it's missing some songs compared to https://store.na.square-enix-games....e-original-soundtrack-special-edit-version-cd
one of those songs is Stamp
Anyone have a list of the other missing songs?
I'm guessing it's missing disk 8 in general?
which disk 8 in general is confusing because the set calls itself a 7 disk set lol.
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it's missing some songs compared to https://store.na.square-enix-games....e-original-soundtrack-special-edit-version-cd
TRACKLIST | FINAL FANTASY VII REMAKE ORIGINAL SOUNDTRACK
This sprawling selection of tracks from the long-awaited title spans seven discs and features "Hollow," the brand-new theme song from composer Nobuo Uematsu!
www.jp.square-enix.com
one of those songs is Stamp
Anyone have a list of the other missing songs?
I'm guessing it's missing disk 8 in general?
which disk 8 in general is confusing because the set calls itself a 7 disk set lol.
Ah. So they are likely all the missing songs from the soundtrack then. Now I need to figure out a way to legally get them so I don't have to just go to youtube to listen to the missing songs as I need to own the Stamp theme.
What are your questions and confusions? Maybe we can work them out together
I don't remember if I pointed this out: but the official title for OST track that plays after your first vision of Sephiroth in chapter 2 is titled "CYCLE OF SOULS". I am willing to bet this is an allusion to the nature of time in Final Fantasy VII remake. Not timelines, but time-cycles. Time as per the lifestream is cyclical and oft-repeating.
TRACKLIST | FINAL FANTASY VII REMAKE ORIGINAL SOUNDTRACK
This sprawling selection of tracks from the long-awaited title spans seven discs and features "Hollow," the brand-new theme song from composer Nobuo Uematsu!
www.jp.square-enix.com
Could be, but it could also just be a reference to living beings originating from the lifestream and returning to it after death to then incarnate into new living beings, i.e. the cycle of lifeI don't remember if I pointed this out: but the official title for OST track that plays after your first vision of Sephiroth in chapter 2 is titled "CYCLE OF SOULS". I am willing to bet this is an allusion to the nature of time in Final Fantasy VII remake. Not timelines, but time-cycles. Time as per the lifestream is cyclical and oft-repeating.
TRACKLIST | FINAL FANTASY VII REMAKE ORIGINAL SOUNDTRACK
This sprawling selection of tracks from the long-awaited title spans seven discs and features "Hollow," the brand-new theme song from composer Nobuo Uematsu!www.jp.square-enix.com
Sure. But it felt like perhaps something more than that considering it played right after the Sephiroth vision.
There are tons of missing songs from the just-released OST, including all three of my top three tracks from the game.... Where they jump from the train on the way to the second reactor, the theme on the trek towards the pillar (where the Turks theme kicks in) and the cutscene right before going through the singularity portal.
Are those tracks, and any of the other missing ones, anywhere online?
Are those tracks, and any of the other missing ones, anywhere online?
Finally beat the game. I really hate this kind of ending. So many things are left for players to piece them together. So many things left unexplained. I dont know how I can understand anything had I not played the OG FF7 and Crisis Core. I agree with some explanation in OP. This game feels like the dev is trolling with the die hard FF7 fans who want everything to remain unchanged from the OG.
Okay 1: the last two hours of the game are nearly fucking perfect
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During the ending, the scene with Marle; the plate appears to be partially fallen, right?
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During the ending, the scene with Marle; the plate appears to be partially fallen, right?
there might be an "OST Plus" which was a thing for FFIX and XIII/XIII-2 I think
that, or we'll just have to wait for people to eventually upload the "unreleased tracks"
Why do people want to kill?
Please let everybody live and have a perfectly happy ending...
I already made a huge post about this with images and everything, the plate that's partially broken is sector 6 because of the Zirconiade fight (the one that's intact is sector 7).
One reason I'd like to see Aerith survive in the different universe, is because her walking out the sleeping forest would be an emotional final shot.
I don't think the alternatives would be as powerful.
I believe there's a 0% chance of that happening. The Stakes are too high.
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Soooo.....there's a cut item from Chapter 3.
Cloud was going to be able to find Tifa's sexy underwear in Tifa's room. I guess in "Alone at Last".
Is it just me or this looks like the Zanarkand symbol?
Th top nose portion sorta resembles it a little though the point at the bottom is different in that it closes off to the other side unlike the Zanarkand one which is open on one side.
Soooo.....there's a cut item from Chapter 3.
Cloud was going to be able to find Tifa's sexy underwear in Tifa's room. I guess in "Alone at Last".
hopefully they cut it from the nibelheim flashback too
Four big story changes according to the Ultimania
So to re-iterate, these are the big 4 story elements that the Ultimania says are new for the Remake:
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Thank you!
Questions:
1. Can you translate what the Whispers are doing at the end of Chapter 17 when they surround the Shinra tower? I still do not understand what is going on there.
2. Can you possibly explain or find any explanation in the Ultimania as to why the Whispers create that large wall? If Cloud and company were to leave midgar, why are they preventing them now? or are they just preventing Sephiroth, or something?
3. I also do not understand this paragraph below. What are the two patterns of Sephiroth that occur within Cloud? Maybe you can clarify.
Fairly sure it's just indicating that prior to Ch.17, all present forms of Sephiroth are illusions: Either as illusions with no physical form (ch.2), or illusions with cloaked men (ch.3, ch.8). In the latter instances they are not the same as Ch.17, as Tifa and Aerith do not see Sephiroth in those instances, so it's still just something in Cloud's mind.
So, apologies if this has been discussed before, but there are a massive amount of pages to get through in these threads...
In the Chapter 14 resolution with Aerith, I'm trying to understand the driving factors behind the statements Aerith makes:
In the Chapter 14 resolution with Aerith, I'm trying to understand the driving factors behind the statements Aerith makes:
- Mentions that everyone dies eventually and "...we need to make the most of the time we have..."
- Is this hinting at her knowing about her fate per the OG FF7?
- "I'm glad I met you Cloud...I am grateful for all the words we've shared. For all the moments and the memories. You've made me more happy than you know. And I'll always cherish what you've given me "
- My first impression of this, being that they haven't really spent a lot of meaningful time together thus far in the story, is more her thanking/making amends with the "memory of Zack" which essentially lives on in Cloud. With their previous dialogues about Aerith's past boyfriend (Zack), and the similarities to Cloud, it feels like she likely has some impression of Zack in Cloud's persona. Anyone else get that?
- "But whatever happens, you can't fall in love with me...Even if you think you have, it's not real." -- **cue grown man tears*
- So my impression is that this supports the #2 statement where she would have some impression that Cloud has been driven by Zack's memories and persona, and thus the feelings he has for her are not his own, but remnants of Zack. It may also play into #1 where she has some understanding of her fate and thus the warning to not fall in love with her is tied to the heartbreak that would be born from that outcome.
I still believe when Cloud says he's coming for her, the first thought that crosses her mind is the AC talk between the two of them.
1) Aerith knows her fate is coming soon.
2) I think she knows they'll still spend more time together but again, she sees herself as dying soon.
3) Her death is going to hurt him and he's also not himself so those feelings may not be true to him according to her. It's definitely a reference to his identity issues.
100% agree.
The bit about Zack all but confirms multiple timelines, in my eyes.
Most certainly, yeah.
Which makes me wonder: what's the endgame with an alternative reality where Zack survives? Will it eventually cross over with the main one? Will it "just" be there to show us how fucked up the Planet would be were Cloud not be on his OG path?
The mere existence of such a plot device and actually showing Zack so early is something that, imo, really hurts (or can hurt) future games by robbing many important moments of their original effectiveness. Because the overall original journey seems to be the plan still, unless they're misleading us.
I wonder if they feel that they have a powerful enough plot beat here that makes this all worth it. As in, I'll still strongly feel this is a mistake, regardless. But yeah, I'm very curious.
I share your concerns. I think it's unlikely to resolve itself in a clean, satisfying way. But hey, I'd love to be proven wrong.
Yeah, I'm trying to be optimistic myself, but the big new plot points and scenes added in this game leave me pretty worried.
Honestly, while I'd prefer that not be in the game (or rather have it after Zack is introduced), a potential window into what kind of world and characters result from Zack surviving is, ngl, interesting. But, above all, I find it worrisome and unnecessary.
And I don't want to go there, but this whole ordeal really feels fanservicy.
Nah it might work out great. Imagine Cloud tells his whole story, and later on Sephiroth clarifies the whole story for everyone, and in the picture you see Zack instead of Cloud. Would still be super wild
Yeah, just because we see Zack in that one scene, doesn't mean he will show up later on with your party.
And if you don't know what happened in Nibelheim, you still don't know that Cloud thinks he's Zack in the incident.
Just looks like Nomura-typical tattoo-esque design. Zanarkand's symbol was based on that style, as are some of the designs in the Kingdom Hearts series.
Is it just me or this looks like the Zanarkand symbol?
