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Final Fantasy XV: Royal Edition & Windows Edition |OT| Walk Taller
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Duscae certainly had better lighting than the retail console version or PC version:
The game now looks a lot flatter, with less contrast, less realistic and more stylized.
benzy
Just when we were talking about it, look what I just saw (thanks to Mognet's Storm), lol:
EDIT: Oh, benzy already posted this.
Don't know, but I just asked them on Twitter. Will post here if they reply.
Since it got mentioned of doing Pitioss in first person view I decided to try it out (in this tiny clip). In this view you don't have to deal with any of Noctis' animations (you are just a floating camera after all), so that's actually kind of nice.
In this clip I did fail this part in trying to stand on that small ledge in first person (you can see it for a brief second at the start), so that's why you see me switch back to regular view for a bit and then back to first.
In this clip I did fail this part in trying to stand on that small ledge in first person (you can see it for a brief second at the start), so that's why you see me switch back to regular view for a bit and then back to first.
Haha, nice. Man, I loved the atmosphere there.
Btw, here's the datalog entry for the Pitioss dungeon:
Mognet's Storm said:so the datalog has more information about pitioss! my theory was "half-right"
while pitioss wasn't a "contest arena" it was used as a training ground, for what purpose i don't know, but i think they were trying to be stronger to fight the gods; i still think black hood was kinda of a prize for anyone that reached the end.
Ancient Solheim training grounds situated in southwestern Cleigne and shrouded in mystery. Hidden among the mountains and conspicuously missing from all conventional maps, these ruins appear to have been all but forgotten in the modern age.
Traveling the world is sure to open one's eyes to the sheer variety of climates and cultures around Eos, but the one thread tying all lands together is the presence of peculiar stone structures. The toppled towers and shattered statues seen across the continent are testaments to the artistry and ingenuity of those who came before us, and Pitioss may indeed stand as Solheim's crowning achievement. But the most incredible aspect of ancient technology is its ability to seemingly manipulate time-space as we know it.
Based on out current scientific understanding, every bend in the fabric of our universe must be counterbalanced elsewhere—our scholars suspect these ruins might be the space in which those interdimensional kinks are worked out.
which explains omega and why that dragon was inside costlemark, but what if the scourge itself came from another place through these space-time distortions?
this is one of the creatures you find inside
i would say it looks kinda otherwordly to me...
some wiki interpretation:
- Interdimensionality in Final Fantasy is commonly linked to the Void, the world of formation that links the series's multiverse.
- In the Fabula Nova Crystallis: Final Fantasy series that Final Fantasy XV started as part of, interdimensionality is associated with the juxtaposition of the mortal realm and the unseen realm, the gods' plan being to open the gate to the latter. The gate and the goddess who operated it were an influential part of the early version of the game as Final Fantasy Versus XIII, but the statues of a woman in Pitioss may be entirely unrelated.
- The Almanac describes Pitioss as "ancient Solheim training grounds." This could hearken to the arks from the Final Fantasy XIII games, built by ancient fal'Cie as training grounds for l'Cie in preparation for the opening of the gate to the beyond and the Day of Reckoning.
Source.
It might save a lot of frustration by doing the dungeon in first person. Yeah, the atmosphere is great.
I saw that when I went there and it's interesting. Explains why this place is so weird.
I actually half- jokingly came up with a theory about the scourge being brought over from another dimension, via defeat of some sort of being (or just brought over) that wasn't supposed to be here. Now looking at that datalog entry it doesn't seem to far fetched that maybe it was brought over from somewhere else.
I actually half- jokingly came up with a theory about the scourge being brought over from another dimension, via defeat of some sort of being (or just brought over) that wasn't supposed to be here. Now looking at that datalog entry it doesn't seem to far fetched that maybe it was brought over from somewhere else.
:D
"Aliens."
Wait, did I understand it right: in first-person mode there are no annoying extra animations when you're landing, turning around etc.? :thinking:
I'm trying to unlock every trophy in the DLC now that I have all the ones from the main game but Gladio's episode is just so not fun and boring to me (despite the music being otherworldly). Fighting against Cor is not fun either and the fact that I have to wait two minutes for a load screen everytime I die is really killer.
I just finished the game on PC.
Reading up now about all what was added and changed since the release I'm really glad I waited til now to play it.
While I still have some big problems with the game, overall it was an enjoyable experience. Without the Chapter 13 changes and Chapter 14 additions I might have looked back a lot less positive on the game.
Curious to see now what the DLC episodes have to offer. And I want that flying car.
Reading up now about all what was added and changed since the release I'm really glad I waited til now to play it.
While I still have some big problems with the game, overall it was an enjoyable experience. Without the Chapter 13 changes and Chapter 14 additions I might have looked back a lot less positive on the game.
Curious to see now what the DLC episodes have to offer. And I want that flying car.
A lot of them are still in and some of them I might just not remember or haven't encountered myself. There are generally a lot of cool unique counter sequences that many don't know:
Nope. You can feel the landings and also hear the animations from them, but there's no extra annoying animations from what I have seen. Since as I said, you are literally just a floating camera, no arms/legs to be seen. It does move a bit when you land, but I found it bearable enough and it makes Pitioss a tad less annoying in my opinion.
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Yes. Right after Noctis wakes up from Ardyn knocking him out Noctis calls Ignis and he's really distressed that he pushed his best friend off a train. Then once they get in Tenebrae Aranea asks about him. I think they also talk about him on the train ride to Niflheim as well, but I can't remember.
Nah. Magic is basically there for helping you deal with especially tough groups of enemies if you're underleveled for them.
Thanks, I'm gonna keep ignoring it then. Warping around during a fight is much more fun anyways.
Well, the lighting isn't more advanced or using better tech in Episode Duscae. ED just had an art change in the post processing that affected the way the lighting looked, which is why in ED you always had that bloomy sky and could never see the circular disc of the sun (you can even see the complete diabling of that post-process in ED when you go out of bounds via glitch). They toned down that bloomy ethereal look in the final version. Plus everything looked washed out in ED and was poorly lit, plants and trees looked completely dead when they obviously weren't meant to be given the 2014 pc walkthrough. The final game environment assets are much better lit all around.
I played around with the debug PC build yesterday to compare the performance with the steam version and was able to mess around with the time and weather patterns today. You can still get the bloomy lighting but missing the rest of the post-process like the vignette effect on the screen corners.
Final Version
Episode Duscae
And really the only time Episode Duscae looked good was at sunset/night, I replayed Episode Duscae today and it looks hella ugly going back and forth between that and the final version during daytime. The final game actually has much more natural lighting and more advanced atmospherics, and this applies across all 24h time settings. In the debug I managed to find some lighting/atmosphere changes you normally don't see in Duscae region that looked awesome.
PC debug
The final version just destroys Episode Duscae in everything: lighting and atmospherics, draw distance, shaders, asset and material quality. I dunno how anyone can go back to playing Episode Duscae and say its lighting or anything else looks better than this.
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Even in that footage from that twitter guy who enabled the Duscae post-process and colors. I don't see what's so great about it compared to the vanilla build. It looks too washed out and bland, and has the brownish-hue filter that plagued early xbox360/ps3 games.
Great post, thanks!Well, the lighting isn't more advanced or using better tech in Episode Duscae. ED just had an art change in the post processing that affected the way the lighting looked, which is why in ED you always had that bloomy sky and could never see the circular disc of the sun (you can even see the complete diabling of that post-process in ED when you go out of bounds via glitch). They toned down that bloomy ethereal look in the final version. Plus everything looked washed out in ED and was poorly lit, plants and trees looked completely dead when they obviously weren't meant to be given the 2014 pc walkthrough. The final game environment assets are much better lit all around.
I played around with the debug PC build yesterday to compare the performance with the steam version and was able to mess around with the time and weather patterns today. You can still get the bloomy lighting but missing the rest of the post-process like the vignette effect on the screen corners.
Final Version
Episode Duscae
And really the only time Episode Duscae looked good was at sunset/night, I replayed Episode Duscae today and it looks hella ugly going back and forth between that and the final version during daytime. The final game actually has much more natural lighting and more advanced atmospherics, and this applies across all 24h time settings. In the debug I managed to find some lighting/atmosphere changes you normally don't see in Duscae region that looked awesome.
PC debug
The final version just destroys Episode Duscae in everything: lighting and atmospherics, draw distance, shaders, asset and material quality. I dunno how anyone can go back to playing Episode Duscae and say its lighting or anything else looks better than this.
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Even in that footage from that twitter guy who enabled the Duscae post-process and colors. I don't see what's so great about it compared to the vanilla build. It looks too washed out and bland, and has the brownish-hue filter that plagued early xbox360/ps3 games.
Tyaren What do you say?^^
I don't agree with benzy on this, but he already knows that. ;) We had that discussion a looong time ago, lol.
Yes, it is a stylistic change, but it is also clearly a technical downgrade in lighting. Alone if you compare the lighting in interior spaces, like the gas stops, Duscae is so far ahead. In the retail version the lighting is very inconsistent there, usually flat and without depth.
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this was all a setup to make me and Ty argue.
Lol, I actually didn't know you two already discussed this.
I do agree that Duscae appeared a little drab and dark during the day in the demo. In the retail version Duscae looks so much brighter and greener. It's much more pleasing to look at. Duscae in general looks so much better. I remember we all were surprised how amazing it suddenly looked shortly before release. :)
I remember this pre-release. We all thought they were showing everything on the PS4 Pro because it looked so much better.
Are any of the other dungeons as much of a boring slog as Steyliff? These tonberries with massive health bars are a fucking chore, especially when there's 100 floors of this shit.
Well, the lighting isn't more advanced or using better tech in Episode Duscae. ED just had an art change in the post processing that affected the way the lighting looked, which is why in ED you always had that bloomy sky and could never see the circular disc of the sun (you can even see the complete diabling of that post-process in ED when you go out of bounds via glitch). They toned down that bloomy ethereal look in the final version. Plus everything looked washed out in ED and was poorly lit, plants and trees looked completely dead when they obviously weren't meant to be given the 2014 pc walkthrough. The final game environment assets are much better lit all around.
I played around with the debug PC build yesterday to compare the performance with the steam version and was able to mess around with the time and weather patterns today. You can still get the bloomy lighting but missing the rest of the post-process like the vignette effect on the screen corners.
Final Version
Episode Duscae
And really the only time Episode Duscae looked good was at sunset/night, I replayed Episode Duscae today and it looks hella ugly going back and forth between that and the final version during daytime. The final game actually has much more natural lighting and more advanced atmospherics, and this applies across all 24h time settings. In the debug I managed to find some lighting/atmosphere changes you normally don't see in Duscae region that looked awesome.
PC debug
The final version just destroys Episode Duscae in everything: lighting and atmospherics, draw distance, shaders, asset and material quality. I dunno how anyone can go back to playing Episode Duscae and say its lighting or anything else looks better than this.
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Even in that footage from that twitter guy who enabled the Duscae post-process and colors. I don't see what's so great about it compared to the vanilla build. It looks too washed out and bland, and has the brownish-hue filter that plagued early xbox360/ps3 games.
True :)
Duscae now in the final version is much more better then the demo version.
Now Duscae is one of the most beautiful area I ever seen in an open world games.
Is really magnificent :)
Hold on so the engine problems was ebony? I remember hearing that one of the problems that Nomura had is engine that could not do what he was looking for.
To make the datalog collection (Trophy) more organic, I've been doing a New Game Plus and saved at the start of Chapter 14, away from home right now so I'm looking forward to playing the meat of the new content.
As it's my second playthrough since launch, the fix of being able to take multiple hunts is the best addition. The fixes from patches are nice, but nothing ground-breaking. There are fundamental issues with the game they can't fix. When the party leaves Altissia and hop on the train, the game speeds you through the remaining chapters before the finale and (pun-intended) goes flying off the rails.
On the first stop where the party is dealing with Ignis' blindness, I was almost fooled into believing this time through that a second open-world was about to open up. You almost feel like you've just gone through 'half' of the game (if you'd done a lot of the open-world content before going to Altissia) and now there was a ton more content about to become available to you. Does anyone else feel like this?
Instead the game hurtles you through some awfully (quick) paced chapters that were clearly thrown together at the last minute, before Chapter 13 grinds things to a halt again.
Overall I really like the game, it's a solid 7/10 for me. I love the characters, especially Noctis, the world that we have access to, the visuals, the music, but the fundamental issues let it down. I know it's not feasible at this point, but I'd love all the cut/unfinished content to be completed and reinserted into the game. Chapters 10 to 12 are crying out for expansion.
As it's my second playthrough since launch, the fix of being able to take multiple hunts is the best addition. The fixes from patches are nice, but nothing ground-breaking. There are fundamental issues with the game they can't fix. When the party leaves Altissia and hop on the train, the game speeds you through the remaining chapters before the finale and (pun-intended) goes flying off the rails.
On the first stop where the party is dealing with Ignis' blindness, I was almost fooled into believing this time through that a second open-world was about to open up. You almost feel like you've just gone through 'half' of the game (if you'd done a lot of the open-world content before going to Altissia) and now there was a ton more content about to become available to you. Does anyone else feel like this?
Instead the game hurtles you through some awfully (quick) paced chapters that were clearly thrown together at the last minute, before Chapter 13 grinds things to a halt again.
Overall I really like the game, it's a solid 7/10 for me. I love the characters, especially Noctis, the world that we have access to, the visuals, the music, but the fundamental issues let it down. I know it's not feasible at this point, but I'd love all the cut/unfinished content to be completed and reinserted into the game. Chapters 10 to 12 are crying out for expansion.
Skill Up did good review on game which I think he does explain well why he among many loves FF15 despite its flaws.
Beat the main story. Whew, that ending...
I will write my final thoughts on the game after completing all DLC and post-game content. So far, I am very happy about it.
Now Noctis and Luna can stay together forever. Be happy, you two...
I will write my final thoughts on the game after completing all DLC and post-game content. So far, I am very happy about it.
There's a short conversation with Aranea about it in Tenebrae. Something along the lines of
Aranea: Wasn't there another one of you?
Noctis: Yeah......he's........
Araneas: Is he dead?
Noctis: I.......don't know.
Aranea: Then quit moping, keep hoping.
Well the engine problems were Crystal Tools, in around 2007 Nomura mentioned he had an idea of what he wanted to do but was waiting for Crystal Tools and resources to be freed, since the 1st PDP was mostly on FF13 at the time, which is why after FF13 finished in Dec 2009 they created Ebony in 2010 which was a heavily modified Crystal Tools, it was what Nomura called the "Versus specific engine" in an interview in 2011, and he cited back then that they going to implement Luminous lighting into the game, though that wouldn't happen for a while. Once Versus was rebooted to XV in 2012 they created a DX11 version of the Ebony engine so that they could eventually migrate to Luminous which was also DX11 based, which only started the migration in July 2013, a month after they showed it at E3 2013. It was around that time that they started recreating all the assets from the ground up, and also when a lot of reevaluating of the direction the game was taking happened.
The E3 2013 Insomnia citadel footage was basically a prototype build that Tabata was tasked with making when he was assinged to the game, the engine at that time was a DX11 version Ebony Engine but also had Yebis 2 middleware intergrated into it, about a month later is when they moved to Luminous. Nomura mentioned in 2013 that when doing tests on the PS3 version in 2012 that the map couldn't keep up when driving the car, and that was also one of the reasons why he wanted to move to 8th gen and aim for a more seamless as possible goal, even as far back as 2010 he talked about his goal being to make it as seamless as possible with loads only on some areas of the game.
As far as I know people have done some research on this in the original version of the game, and from the designs on the streetlamps/etc, it looks like it was likely intended to be on the Niflheim continent. Considering they supposedly modeled the entire train line from Cartanica all the way to Gralea, I wouldn't be surprised if the train station is somewhere out there.
I prefer the final retail game tbh
I still got the demo and it's running on XB1X
This game needs a hard mode fast, they need to find a way to make people see the small things that you can do with this combat system, the game being easy doesn't help at all.
okay so just finished the game (for like the 5th time), first time on PC. Are those new missions the ones at the final chapter before
? Cause that seemed new to me. And it's great though.
Ardyn
The entirety of Chapter 14 inside Insomnia is pretty much completely different now. All of the missions in there are new, since there weren't any before.
There are also a couple of minor quests in chapter 10.
I'm surprised that they didn't add a hard mode with the Royal edition. Seems like one of the simpler things they could add that would make people happy. All they really have to do is limit the amount of healing items like in battle similar to Kingdom Hearts, and amp up the damage that you take from enemies. Oh disable the power ranger suits and nerf the ring to how it was in vanilla.
According to the Datamine it seems we may be getting an Episode
http://www.mognetcentral.com/threads/everything-ffxv-datamining-related.9067/page-24#post-62226
Ravus.
http://www.mognetcentral.com/threads/everything-ffxv-datamining-related.9067/page-24#post-62226