That sucks. Was hoping becoming a "worthy" vessel would change things a bit for Clive
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Final Fantasy XVI: The Rising Tide releases April 18, 2024
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That sucks. Was hoping becoming a "worthy" vessel would change things a bit for Clive
My guess based on the trophy description is that all of the Leviathan stuff is literally in a time bubble, written around it being an isolated event that doesn't happen in the main story, or if it does it resets itself or something and you're canonically none the wiser and still without Leviathan when facing Ultima lore wise.
It's leftover from when this set started as just a general mob fight set, then I left for work so I haven't been able to try out any other ideas, haha.
Yeah, I generally just have one ultimate equipped, if any at all.
I think they're cool to have, but my priorities is to make builds I think are fun, I don't see a need to stack up on cinematic finishers with long cooldowns.
Yeah, that would be good.
Well I read on Reddit that:
There's apparently an epilogue side quest that may allude to Clive being alive but doesn't show it?
It would be hilarious if they did that especially after all the "A COMPLETE STORY DAY ONE" bragging.
Yep, would have been perfectly happy with this. Hence my poll a few months back, ha.
honestly I don't even like that the DLC is somewhat related to the ending. it was good enough as it is, and felt very final (aha).
Especially since every FF since 7, with the exception of 9 and kinda 12, has an ambigious or very limited in scope ending. 16 may be ambigious but not nearly as nerve wracking as 7 was back in the day or even 10.
and 7 and 10 endings are perfect, dont @ me
ambiguous endings are freaking great
Ambiguity is cool sometimes. I like VII's. I love X's (though a post-credits quick scene is hardly on the scale of VII's).
I just don't like XVI's. Too many damn questions.
I just don't like XVI's. Too many damn questions.
They can be hit or miss. 7's was a big rough because it was such an amazing game and you wanted to know happened next instead of being given a vague hint 500 years after. 10 though did it just right and there were enough hints from the Fayth what would happen.
i fucking love 7's ending tbh. yeah, maybe we all got wiped because we are fucking horrible beings. what better question to ponder for the next few weeks than that?
Been in the village for 5 minutes, haven't spoken to anyone except the main new character, and then the first side quest "dO yOU kNOw me 'OOSbaND!???"
Like clearly I don't lady.
Like clearly I don't lady.
I like OG VII and its ending
I really like X and love its ending
I love XVI and hate its ending
It's not what does or doesn't happen, but the delivery. If XVI had pulled off its ending then there wouldn't be such pervasive complaints about it.
I really like X and love its ending
I love XVI and hate its ending
It's not what does or doesn't happen, but the delivery. If XVI had pulled off its ending then there wouldn't be such pervasive complaints about it.
it's just a matter of opinion, really. lots of FF have polemic endings. hell Rebirth just launched and boy did people talk about it lol
I thought 7's was pretty cool anyway. Let us see the results of our actions saving the planet.
It's not surprising to me people don't like ambiguous endings (Sopranos comes to mind since it's similar to XVI here). I don't get wanting more info or a different ending when it's obvious they don't want to go down that route, even if there is an actual answer.
One of those you like it or you don't, I like it.
I like XVI's ending because, on a thematic level, it can be interpreted in multiple ways, all of them appropriate in one way or the other. It's like VII in that regard. I wouldn't want that ambiguity removed. Plus, it's an interesting take on the "side quests unlock the true ending" trope. Side quests in XVI don't actually alter the ending, but they provide context which may change one's interpretation of it.
FFXVI's ending has grown on me with time.
It also calls back to FFVI quite a bit.
FFXVI wears its inspiration from the first seven FF games plus Tactics on its sleeve, and while not perfect, I really do appreciate that because I miss some of those earlier vibes.
It also calls back to FFVI quite a bit.
FFXVI wears its inspiration from the first seven FF games plus Tactics on its sleeve, and while not perfect, I really do appreciate that because I miss some of those earlier vibes.
Oh. So I should probably do that then before starting it and then not have to worry about any of it then, huh?
My issue isnt really the ambiguity, its the fact that they leave certain characters devastated regardless of the abiguity, then leave us with a "hopeful" epilogue.
If the ending is sad, then show it, dont dance around it. If its happy, then dont make the characters feel like they lost someone important and then not address it lol.
As others have said, FFX is fucking devastating the first time you play it, but its such a good ending because you KNOW whats happening, even if its massively bittersweet. You dont in this game, you can only guess the outcome.
If the ending is sad, then show it, dont dance around it. If its happy, then dont make the characters feel like they lost someone important and then not address it lol.
As others have said, FFX is fucking devastating the first time you play it, but its such a good ending because you KNOW whats happening, even if its massively bittersweet. You dont in this game, you can only guess the outcome.
XVI's ending was heartbreaking and I loved every minute of it. Simply incredible work.
I simply fundamentally don't understand not liking the ending when you see that shot of Clive seeing baby Joshua for the first time. Absolutely fucking annihilated me.
I simply fundamentally don't understand not liking the ending when you see that shot of Clive seeing baby Joshua for the first time. Absolutely fucking annihilated me.
i mean, why cant they do that? our anguish is similar to their anguish in a way. its sad and things can get better, or maybe they cant and things will continue to be sad.
it's almost impossible for ambiguous endings to be actually bad or actually good imo. it's 100% dependent on someone's particular tastes, moreso than the beggining or the middle of a story/game/book
Yeah, do the DLC in order. There is no point in doing FF Mode unless you want the platinum trophy or are desperate to replay the whole game.
Well, Yoshida told my own colleague we should just headcanon whichever route we prefer on this front, so I've prepared myself to accept this with finality. I'll just mentally tack on a few extra seconds, and then it'll be better for me. So it goes!
I do too. Legitimately one of the best characters in the series.
Well it doesnt help that he recently revealed there's an actual anwer to the is Clive alive? debacle but wont share it lol
I don't care for the ending.
As for the DLC and it's relation to the ending In the end, it is good they stuck to their guns on the ending, if they had done a DLC exclusive one it would come across pretty bad, even if I would like a more satisfying ending.
HOWEVER, not even adding a "WATER OVERFLOWING" QTE to the final battle really sucks, I hope that one isn't true.
As for the DLC and it's relation to the ending In the end, it is good they stuck to their guns on the ending, if they had done a DLC exclusive one it would come across pretty bad, even if I would like a more satisfying ending.
HOWEVER, not even adding a "WATER OVERFLOWING" QTE to the final battle really sucks, I hope that one isn't true.
My issue with the ending is that:
You defeat the bad guy and be like "cool, we did it, let's go home" and Clive goes "shit I forgot I had to die in that battle. Welp, here I go I guess". And you're like "what the hell?".
Sure, if you read the "lore entries" and whatnot you can come to the conclusion that Clive shouldn't survive the story but I don't think it was well presented, it felt outta nowhere. On top of that, they pull the ambiguity at the end.
You defeat the bad guy and be like "cool, we did it, let's go home" and Clive goes "shit I forgot I had to die in that battle. Welp, here I go I guess". And you're like "what the hell?".
Sure, if you read the "lore entries" and whatnot you can come to the conclusion that Clive shouldn't survive the story but I don't think it was well presented, it felt outta nowhere. On top of that, they pull the ambiguity at the end.
That was such a weird statement from Koji Fox. He said that in the same interview we did with them. XD Did not anticipate getting so much out.
And so little.
Imo, the anguish is not the same because Jill/Torgal experience their anguish in one particular moment and the game leans too heavily on that aspect, we dont know what happens after. Jill looks at Metia and sees it flicker out. Torgal howls and cries. You assume its a sad ending, then the epilogue happens and you still cant tell who survived. Are they happy then? Are they sad?
- If the game wanted to be ambiguous, then the Jill/Torgal scene shouldnt have existed (yes, its an amazing scene in the game and I got teary eyed during it) and left the ending only with Clive
- If the game wanted to be direct, then the Jill/Torgal scene should exist and the epilogue shouldnt, at least not one implying one of the brothers lived.
I dont have issues with ambiguity, I have issues with how its delivered. The game forces you to feel a particular way contrary its final scene and side quest dialogue.
- If the game wanted to be ambiguous, then the Jill/Torgal scene shouldnt have existed (yes, its an amazing scene in the game and I got teary eyed during it) and left the ending only with Clive
- If the game wanted to be direct, then the Jill/Torgal scene should exist and the epilogue shouldnt, at least not one implying one of the brothers lived.
I dont have issues with ambiguity, I have issues with how its delivered. The game forces you to feel a particular way contrary its final scene and side quest dialogue.
And yes, the bigger issue I think is the fact that they know the canon answer to this question and just decided to not show it lol
I can understand that, but it's said at least once throughout the game that Clive and Co's actions will, in some ways, make things worse before they get better. I think it may have even been mentioned that they're not likely to live to see the positive outcomes of the change they make. They are essentially throwing the world back into a dark age, after all. There are many games in which someone with Clive's goals and motivations would be portrayed as the *villain* of the story.
The epilogue and more hopeful parts of the ending are there to remind you that, even through the Hell of it, they did accomplish what they set out to do.
Yeah. Even before the epilogue, the story ends with a new life being born to do as they please in this new world, and on a rising sun, a new day, and a smile.
Plus I still interpret it as Clive living, so hey.
Joshua and Dion are big ded tho.
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Maybe I'm just a hater but I don't like how the early side quests are quick fetch quests to open up the store and blacksmith. Didn't even get to pick the flowers myself, just hounded the people already there to give me their flowers 😭
Idk if all the Rebirth I played recently is coloring my perception but the IQ in perf mode looks cleaner with the patch? Still drops to 50 outside of combat though.
Game still looks so pretty, finishing up FF mode to catch up to the DLC.
Game still looks so pretty, finishing up FF mode to catch up to the DLC.
for NA yes. Its been out in other parts of the world for a few hours.
Ah how I missed the blue sky.
Lmao just did that. I swear almost every second sidequest in XVI is to get a flower/plant for someone.
