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First critic reviews for Scorsese’s THE IRISHMAN

Dalek

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Oct 25, 2017
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I had my screening recently I liked it but personally I think it's gonna be divided amongst audiences

Scorcese has still got it he knows how to direct and all his ques and Easter eggs from his other movies are in here. My biggest issue is the cast in my opinion its a hit or miss Deniro Pesci and Pacino are always going to be legends but at the age there at and watching them onscreen for almost 3 and a half hours can get tedious this isn't Goodfellas type performance this is two old men who are reminicing of the good old days and as much as the focus is suppose be them younger, they are in their 50s so CGI is barely noticeable or needed maybe a shot here and there but it's very rarely used they could of just used makeup. Al Pacino's is what keeps the movie going it's probably his best work since HEAT but again all three are doing the best they can to hold a movie this long by the time it was in it's third act I was ready for it to end again it's not a bad movie but this definitely is not going to be everyone's taste
out of curiosity....

What kind of easter eggs?
 

Kest920

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Oct 27, 2017
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doesn't seem divided at all to be honest. Seems like it's been universally critically acclaimed. It's scorsese's best reviewed film of all time at the moment and everyone is saying its a masterpiece
That's my opinion on the film you may enjoy it alot more.


out of curiosity....

What kind of easter eggs?

. Alot of throwbacks to his earlier movies you'll see stuff like the meat packing truck from goodfellas, the gloves from raging bull, and a ton of actors from his older movies that are still alive
 

Dalek

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Oct 25, 2017
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That's my opinion on the film you may enjoy it alot more.





. Alot of throwbacks to his earlier movies you'll see stuff like the meat packing truck from goodfellas, the gloves from raging bull, and a ton of actors from his older movies that are still alive
That's awesome. I can't wait. I was thinking about signing up for the SF showing but it looks like it's all stand by tickets now and membership into the program is $100...
 

ThousandEyes

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Sep 3, 2019
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That's my opinion on the film you may enjoy it alot more.





. Alot of throwbacks to his earlier movies you'll see stuff like the meat packing truck from goodfellas, the gloves from raging bull, and a ton of actors from his older movies that are still alive
I wasn't trying to dismiss your opinion on the film, but i was challenging the idea that the film will be "divisive" as you said, based on the reviews its anything but
 

ThousandEyes

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Sep 3, 2019
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How do you guys feel about Scorsese's response to why his movies are male dominated and most of the protagonists are men


A member of the Italian press asked Scorsese why his films' protagonists are mainly men, showing few interesting female stories. The Hollywood Reporter's review of the film called The Irishman "very much a movie about middle-aged men, and you miss the electric female energy of great roles that Scorsese shaped for Lorraine Bracco, Cathy Moriarty and Sharon Stone, among others."
A somewhat frustrated Scorsese immediately shot down the journalist's question. "No. That's not even a valid point. That's not valid. I can't … That goes back to 1970. That's a question that I've had for so many years. Am I supposed to?"
"No," chimed in Koskoff.
"If the story doesn't call for it … it's a waste of everybody's time. If the story calls for a female character lead, why not?"
"Alice Doesn't Live Here," chimed in Koskoff again.
"Oh, that's only one film. They don't count that. Age of Innocence, they don't count that," said Scorsese.
"Casino," said Koskoff.
"Casino. Sharon Stone's great in that. They don't count that. Forget it," said Scorsese. "‘It's all these men,'" he continued, implying he was being unfairly targeted, which prompted larger applause from the Italian press.

He seems quite frustrated with a question, people have attacked him about it since hell Taxi Driver

scorsese's quotes are bolded
 

Blader

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Oct 27, 2017
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How do you guys feel about Scorsese's response to why his movies are male dominated and most of the protagonists are men
Because he gravitates to what he likes and knows. And for a lot of male filmmakers, what they like and know and are most interested by (in terms of stories they want to tell) are stories about, and starring, men.

I mean, his defense is pretty pathetic. "I'm 76 years old, I don't have time to do movies about women." Sharon Stone is good in Casino, but Casino is not exactly the story of Rothstein's wife lol. I love Cate Blanchett in The Aviator, but that's not her story, she's a supporting player in Hughes' story. Alice Doesn't Live Here Anymore is a notable exception, but the fact that's one movie in a 50-year career kind of goes to the point.
 

ThousandEyes

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Sep 3, 2019
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Because he gravitates to what he likes and knows. And for a lot of male filmmakers, what they like and know and are most interested by (in terms of stories they want to tell) are stories about, and starring, men.

I mean, his defense is pretty pathetic. "I'm 76 years old, I don't have time to do movies about women." Sharon Stone is good in Casino, but Casino is not exactly the story of Rothstein's wife lol. I love Cate Blanchett in The Aviator, but that's not her story, she's a supporting player in Hughes' story. Alice Doesn't Live Here Anymore is a notable exception, but the fact that's one movie in a 50-year career kind of goes to the point.
But does he even need a defense. He likes male driven stories and that should be ok. It’s like criticizing Tolstoy for only having Russian characters in his books
 

Blader

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Oct 27, 2017
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But does he even need a defense. He likes male driven stories and that should be ok. It’s like criticizing Tolstoy for only having Russian characters in his books
Well that's not the defense I was talking about. Obviously he can tell whatever stories he wants. It was the "I'm too old and don't have time to do movies about women" that I thought was just a lame thing to say.
 

ThousandEyes

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Well that's not the defense I was talking about. Obviously he can tell whatever stories he wants. It was the "I'm too old and don't have time to do movies about women" that I thought was just a lame thing to say.
Oh yeah that’s a lame excuse he should of just said “I like the stories I tell”
 

n8 dogg

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Oct 25, 2017
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Because he gravitates to what he likes and knows. And for a lot of male filmmakers, what they like and know and are most interested by (in terms of stories they want to tell) are stories about, and starring, men.

I mean, his defense is pretty pathetic. "I'm 76 years old, I don't have time to do movies about women." Sharon Stone is good in Casino, but Casino is not exactly the story of Rothstein's wife lol. I love Cate Blanchett in The Aviator, but that's not her story, she's a supporting player in Hughes' story. Alice Doesn't Live Here Anymore is a notable exception, but the fact that's one movie in a 50-year career kind of goes to the point.
I think he’s always been sympathetic to women in his films, even if they aren’t protagonists.

Who’s That Knocking at My Door condemns its protagonist’s behaviour in response to his opinion on what the leading lady does. Boxcar Bertha has a strong female performance. Taxi Driver and Raging Bull are clear indictments of male behaviour. After Hours has an abundance of strong female performances. He’s right that the Age of Innocence is as much Ryder’s movie as DDL’s, and same for Minnelli in New York New York.

There’s making movies where the protagonists are men, and there’s making movies where women don’t feature or matter. Scorsese is the former. Could he be more inclusive of females and minorities? Sure. But he’s also created lots of strong female roles (although less so in recent years, I’ll give his critics that).
 

ThousandEyes

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Sep 3, 2019
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the 100 percent RT dream is dead

just got its first rotten score

 

Armadilo

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Oct 27, 2017
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the 100 percent RT dream is dead

just got its first rotten score

yeah yikes at that guy who made the review, sounds like he made up his own mind before going to watch it because of the Marvel bashing.
 

Budi

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Oct 25, 2017
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yeah yikes at that guy who made the review, sounds like he made up his own mind before going to watch it because of the Marvel bashing.
Haha yup, I laughed out loud when the review started with Marvel mention. Though I agree that New York, New York wasn't that hot.
Edit: Dear lord, Marvel is brought up again later in the review. And this "Home viewing might actually improve The Irishman. It’s so long that just having it on in the background will let you pick out the highlights while you’re doing something else." GTFO.
 

lazybones18

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Oct 25, 2017
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I found out two theaters (in Michigan at least) will be showing the movie and I can get tickets now. Already heading out later tonight so I'm gonna get a ticket
 

UltraMagnus

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Oct 27, 2017
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Marvel "pioneered" de-aging tech? Zuh? When did that happen? Many movies have been doing it for a while.
 

Fjordson

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Oct 25, 2017
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Damn, so Marty still has it.

I was out after Wolf of Wall Street, but Silence was good and now this. Great to see.

edit: oof. Looks like just one crappy theater is getting it near me. That sucks.
 
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Jun 17, 2019
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ill say this though, darkspellmaster, at this point regardless of the historicity this movie has been getting rave reviews. People saying its Marty's best film since Goodfellas. So at this point im just hyped for the movie, but yeah its disappointing the historicity of events are ?
I'm glad people are enjoying it, but for me, I tend to take umbrage at the author who acts like hes an expert but isn't. Yeah less people care about the Hoffa case now, but it nevertheless bugs the hell out of me that this book over a more researched and documented narrative got picked. Its enabling certain mob people to be seen in a light that they shouldn't. And ignores a lot about Hoffa's real person for a interesting but not correct showing of him.

Hoffa did do a lot of cooking the books, but he wasnt the type of person to order a hit. And painting Sheeren as the guy to help Oswald is a kick in the teeth to everyone that worked on that case.

I just feel that while this is a good movie, the subject mmatter could have been something different and still woulda been strong.

Also why waste Natile Portman on so little time. Hell it would have been a more interesting film to focus on how Hoffa and Sheeran's family's saw them and still see them.
 

Practice?!?

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Nov 2, 2019
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Taking my mom for her bday to a screening in SF tomorrow. Marty is supposed to be there too, should be awesome.
 
Jun 17, 2019
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:lol Natalie Portman wasn't in the film. Did you even watch it m8?
My bad Anna Paquin. Posting when tried can make you make mistakes, but I still stand on the fact that more could have been done with Peggy as a character to show the tension between her and her father and how say Hoffa's son reacts to his father's death. It's important in that she abandoned him.
 

Practice?!?

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Nov 2, 2019
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Saw it yesterday in San Francisco. What a well done film and man that last hour...as much to do about the movie as it does to do with one last hurrah for DeNiro and Marty.

The movie really lets everything marinate and not just show the flash with quick cuts and jumps...you’re in that moment with these characters and the process that gets them from one point to the other.

Pesci with a super understated performance, DeNiro throughout is a man with very little remorse and feelings so the few glimpses you see of it are really felt; he killed it, and Pacino was far more animated but he brought a lot of life to the movie. Trifecta of awesome performances .

also got this bad boy signed by Marty ...

 

Window

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Oct 27, 2017
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Saw it yesterday in San Francisco. What a well done film and man that last hour...as much to do about the movie as it does to do with one last hurrah for DeNiro and Marty.

The movie really lets everything marinate and not just show the flash with quick cuts and jumps...you’re in that moment with these characters and the process that gets them from one point to the other.

Pesci with a super understated performance, DeNiro throughout is a man with very little remorse and feelings so the few glimpses you see of it are really felt; he killed it, and Pacino was far more animated but he brought a lot of life to the movie. Trifecta of awesome performances .

also got this bad boy signed by Marty ...

Jealous. I'll catch this tomorrow but no Marty :(

For those who care about numbers - 44 reviews on Metacritic now at 94. 96% fresh with 155 reviews on RT.
 

Courage

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Oct 25, 2017
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Also just got out of this. Incredible movie that earns its runtime with those last 40 mins. It really is Scorsese's Twin Peaks The Return in so many ways.