Their annual R&D costs are around Epic's total value iirc (not 100% on that)
their endgame is to fight it In courts. They absolutely knew they were going to get kicked off. who will suceed in the end? I have no idea
I'd say it was a lie for them to be advertising it when they should know full well it was never going to happen, because trickle down economics is always bullshit.
Epic never used keywords like "if they wanted to", they actively sold the idea of cheaper games. Much like they are still arguing.
The thing is, with third payment processors like PayPal or even your own card services, that amount is MUCH LESS than the 30% apple charges. Paypal typically charging roughly 3%, card services using roughly 2.5%ish as cited in Epic's "Fortnite mega Drop". Anything that pushes more money into the developers/publishers hands and allows them to use that money to make more games/creative experiences is the best outcome here.
It won't because they ain't taking the money directly from MS or Sony like they were these stores.
so you could buy vbucks on mobile for cheaper (before it got removed) ?
They allow anyone to put their own stores on there and charge nothing. There is no fucking difference. Steam doesn't give 30% to MS. No one does.
Yeah the argument has a lot more nuance to it to it than this. Tim / Epic conveniently blot out certain realities.
They wanted money and a lot of people weren't willing to side load Fortnite.
Is he really this fucking dumb, that is literally Apple's model too.
Yeah same as Google on Android, but then again Tim Sweeney was taking shots at Google too for their 30% cut even tho Google allows anyone to setup their own store on Android.
The thing is: People are lazy, there are a lot of mobile games and if to play yours they have to think a little more to get it, a lot of the mainstream public is not going to do it.
No on Windows. Fucking windows. That's what Apple are objecting to here.
I never stated epic used the keywords of "if they wanted to", I am quoting myself because that is inherently the truth here. Epic isn't wrong for the idea that a bigger cut going to developers could result in cheaper game prices. If anything, the burden should be put on the developers for not lowering the prices since they are receiving more money. It doesn't even necessarily have to be lowered costs up front, they can still sell their games at $60 or whatever, but it should result in lowering the prices quicker than normal.
It'll definitely survive this. Although it would definitely be hilarious if the thing that killed Fortnite was a shitty PR stunt gone wrong lol
So if Apple decided to sell iPhones for $300 instead of the current price, Epic and everyone would be okay with Apple taking a 30% cut?
You can already download EGS and Fortnite and sideload it on Android. That's actually how they launched Fortnite originally on Android because they didn't want to pay the Google Play Store 30%.
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30% is still too much for a general purpose device. They are nowhere near as shitty as Apple though.
Video ready to pop they knew damn well they would have their app removed so before they made the change i am sure they created an entire campaign to draw in more attention, viewers and potentially new players to the game.
I guess if you subscribe to conspiracy stuff it's that 40% tencent influence being used today to bury the news on trump trying to stop mail in ballots... but down that rabbit hole lots of odd ideas lie.
Absolutely. Some people barely know how to find the Play Store, much less how to sideload .apk files.
The lack of ability to use third party payment service is the issue in an effective market duopoly. You have to pay 30% cut for payments in the mobile os space (this isn't just about games its about mobile application payment processing). Large swathes of how this case is settled will be how the courts deem a duopoly. Is that competitive enough?
This should be zoomed out once more to show Epic pointing a gun at itself as it destroys every ounce of goodwill it possibly had in this situation with that ludicrous 1984 / Apple video and the subsequent mobilization of its fanbase.
To be fair, I'd fear Apple more than Google. Apple's insanely good at hiring legal talent. They win lawsuits that companies have no business winning otherwise.
Tim Sweeney in April of 2019 seems like he'd be okay with that. Epic might not be. Lots of people are quoting Sweeney, but there is nothing that necessarily ties Epic's corporate legal stance to one Tweet from him from quite a while ago.
This doesn't effect Fortnite on Android as much as on iOS.
When it was first released, you had to sideload the game in anyways. They could also maybe just partner with Amazon's/Samsung's store instead which would give those stores some traffic.
But yeah Epic knew what they could get into with this V-bucks decision. Especially since the Apple video looks like it was done knowing what would happen
When it was first released, you had to sideload the game in anyways. They could also maybe just partner with Amazon's/Samsung's store instead which would give those stores some traffic.
But yeah Epic knew what they could get into with this V-bucks decision. Especially since the Apple video looks like it was done knowing what would happen
Yes definitely but that's irrelevant to the matter at hand.
Sony owns a percentage of Epic and so they wouldn't dare bring up that 30 percent
Well yeah, Epic poked the fire deliberately because they want to disrupt. They want the fight. They knew exactly what would happen hence they have their legal papers already written and waiting.
Will be fun to see it play out.
still don't understand how iOS is different then the consoles. Sony/MS/Nintendo have closed ecosystems that only accept payment through them and exist at the whim of the company. Should epic be suing everyone?
It's just strange to me that a billion dollar company is playing victim.
Also does this mean they are going to remove all the storefront fees on their own store?
Also does this mean they are going to remove all the storefront fees on their own store?
He explained why consoles are different in the tweet. Not sure what else can be said. Agree with him or not I am just talking about what he said.
Contracts to use Unreal Engine probably makes them a fair bit more money than losing out on 30% of a cut on those stores do, plus the big companies using UE4 and soon to be UE5 probably make a lot of money from using them, resulting in Epic making more money from it. You will never see high profit margins from a UE game released on mobile in comparison to consoles.