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Does the first game still hold up? The open world genre ages quickly… I kinda want to do a quick playthrough on easy before FW but I don't want to ruin the good memories I have of this game.
Outside of the lack of free climbing, I dont see why it wouldnt.
I really hope the NPCs (and Aloy herself) look and move less like mannequins during cinematics.
I'm sure it will. It will be a beautiful game regardless of the console it plays on. I'm just looking for the engine's technical improvements rendering wise. Curious about how much more the engine can push.
Traversal is archaic, but if you can get past that, the main storyline is worth playing.
Those points are only for the grapple hook. In the trailer they showed that what you can do is highlight climbable surfaces but otherwise it functions more like AC and Ghosts instead of needing white paint or yellow climbing points.
Ghosts of Tsushima is literally a more grounded game than Horizon based on the premise alone and it has way better climbing:
and no they weren't really going for a "more grounded approach" because this is literally Aloy in cutscenes:
Ideally things characters do in cutscenes as part of a montage showing off their various abilities should be replicated in game yea?
Like I this point I don't even get the point of defending the lackluster climbing system of the first game when they've clearly gone out of their way to address that criticism specifically, among like the human combat. Like to quote the developers:
"The climbing tools for the first Horizon were a little bit limited and restricted," admits de Jonge, "so we really just wanted to open that up and give players the freedom to climb anywhere they like in these open worlds."
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I dont get comparing dev that has alot of open world experience with game like Infamous to a devs first open world game. They of course vastly improve all aspect of traversal in the sequel with with how the machines traverse.
Not everything is going to be done with first game series and the devs acknowledge the areas they lacked in.
Those points are only for the grapple hook. In the trailer they showed that what you can do is highlight climbable surfaces but otherwise it functions more like AC and Ghosts instead of needing white paint or yellow climbing points.
Ghosts of Tsushima is literally a more grounded game than Horizon based on the premise alone and it has way better climbing:
and no they weren't really going for a "more grounded approach" because this is literally Aloy in cutscenes:
Ideally things characters do in cutscenes as part of a montage showing off their various abilities should be replicated in game yea?
Like I this point I don't even get the point of defending the lackluster climbing system of the first game when they've clearly gone out of their way to address that criticism specifically, among like the human combat. Like to quote the developers:
"The climbing tools for the first Horizon were a little bit limited and restricted," admits de Jonge, "so we really just wanted to open that up and give players the freedom to climb anywhere they like in these open worlds."
Well I specifically said in comparison to Breath of the Wild which seems the most common complaint from people who came off that game trying to play Horizon. It's not surprising that someone would be let down by that, but it's also clear the goals were very different there.
No not everything has to be fine and dandy with the first game, but like, come on Horizon's climbing seriously sucked which was jarring because every other aspect of the movement felt incredibly fluid and responsive. Hence them taking that criticism and changing things being a good thing/it being appropriate to call the spade a spade. In this case, Horizon's climbing, (and swimming), was very unengaging and a weak mark on an otherwise fluid movement system. Same with the combat against humans in a game with an otherwise super good combat sandbox.
Most people didn't directly compare it to BOTW but mainly complained about limited it was in general.
Sweet, thanks everyone. Will get on it ASAP
They came out really close to one another, and yes, that comparison was made many times.
Yes they did but the main complaints about Horizon's climbing weren't driven by Zelda also having a climbing system. It was spearheaded by them putting in a nearly identical climbing system to enslaved odyssey to the west into a open world game that came out nearly a decade later. Or more specifically an attempt to emulate the climbing of Tomb Raider and Uncharted but feeling way more limited than both.
That's good to know. Have yet to play. Gonna wait and see if the next gen version is okay. Bought the whole Witcher 3 package for cheap to play on Series X when the overhaul comes this year as well.
I played HZD but should I beat it before I play this? This just seems like the same formula but better in every way. Is the story a direct continuation?
Yes.
Only six months pass between the end of the first game and this one.
lol. I'm kinda torn on Aloy's sexuality. I'm always, always for more sapphic rep, but there's also a dearth of straight female lead characters in video games.
Also, major respect with the Korrasami seal -- even after all these years. Avatar Studios needs to get on making more animated Korra so we can finally see their relationship depicted on screen.
By any measure, BOTW or not, the traversal mechanics in the original were hugely disappointing. At least they're doing something about it.
I think it is more important to have botw kind of liberty…
Still looks wonderful on my C9 OLED. I feel the game looks it's best when it's daylight out in the Canyon region. Almost looks Cinematic with Aloy running around.
Im happy to hear the skill tree is being revamped
The first game's skill tree made absolutely no sense with where unlocks were placed and they were locked behind
The first game's skill tree made absolutely no sense with where unlocks were placed and they were locked behind
I have to disagree, running through the woods and jungle at night is pure magic.
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If that ESRB rating is accurate it seems like she'll be spurning everyone again.
I want the game to be full of all these platforming puzzles where you need to utilize gadgets to get to neat areas full of unique items and lore stuff.
It doesnt *seem* they are building that kind of world, but Im really hopeful of a lot of secrets, puzzles, and verticality.
It doesnt *seem* they are building that kind of world, but Im really hopeful of a lot of secrets, puzzles, and verticality.
My biggest issues in Horizon ZD was I could never really tell how much stronger different gear you could buy or find was, it was hard to compare the stats you had versus the new stats you'd get if you bought the new equipment, and I never really felt that much stronger or tankier with each level up.
I'd love to see the cauldrons get more puzzley. There's some fun stuff they could do with just Pullcaster.
https://blog.playstation.com/2021/10/25/horizon-forbidden-west-master-aloys-new-abilities/
Does every game that has romance in it get pointed out by an ESRB rating?
Agree. Even going by Sony's own Open world efforts, a game like say infamous had way better traversal mechanics but then looking at a lot of other open worlds, whether it's games like Assassins Creed or something like Dying light which I've been playing recently heaps more open worlds in general, the climbing, traversal of Horizon is completely bad I think and it kind of breaks it's own internal logic in a way where only certain places are climbable, how you have to constantly backtrack from high cliffs because only certain areas and specific points can use the rope to scale down rather than being a systemic mechanic you can use anywhere.
Side quest for me has always been about how unengaging the stories are in the first game, I think the lore of the world ended up being far more interesting than any current day stories so it's a wait and see for me.
I really disliked some of the prowler ones. Like attacking from above or below or jump and attack. I felt it heavily restricted creativity in how players tackle situations that are better of being there immediately rather than gate keeping behind levels. Especially when a lot of games have that as basic combat. It's a big reason for my dislike for "RPG lite" because it feels so artificial and doesn't really make the game any more interesting to play.
Even though its good for the combat, I hate Uncharted-like platforming
I really wish we could see more open world games have hardcore platforming like The Last Guardian. The platforming in that game was dizzying and scary because it required precision. Imagine having to navigate a mountain in Horizon and actually feeling like you earned it as opposed to spamming the X button automate everything.
I really wish we could see more open world games have hardcore platforming like The Last Guardian. The platforming in that game was dizzying and scary because it required precision. Imagine having to navigate a mountain in Horizon and actually feeling like you earned it as opposed to spamming the X button automate everything.
When you have a combat sandbox that's as fast paced as Horizon suddenly having to stop to do some really floaty and punishing platforming would be a jarring and most likely not at all engaging contrast. That sort of thing is usually reserved to linear games like The Last Guardian for very good reasons.
It'd only be pointed out if there was a sex scene involved. A good example of this is that we learned that Ellie was a lesbian because she kissed Riley in the Left Behind DLC. But the ESRB rating for Remastered makes no mention of that. The only thing it mentions about LB is the part where you can accept Riley's offer to drink alcohol.
So they could definitely go into Aloy having a relationship with someone. It's just not going to lead to any onscreen sex.
Yeah I get why it has to be that way, but I disagree that it couldnt work in an open world game.
I think a lot of the fun of adventure games with these huge worlds is carefully appreciating what you're actually doing. If I can just zip past an area because there's a bunch of automated sections, then it loses that sense of adventure and discovery. I never fail platforming sections unless I jump somewhere Im not supposed to, and that just comes off like bad design.
My hope for this game is that if you can platform in most areas freely, there are hidden tricks that you can use to combine with your other gadgets to make for rewarding discovery. The easiest is using the glider, which opens up a lot of possibility, but whether or not they design the world to have that kind of platforming seems unlikely
Even the barest mention though seems to get a "Sexual Themes" rating, which is missing from Forbidden West. Zero Dawn is listed as having "Mild Sexual Themes" for instance.
I'm not saying that it couldn't work at all in an open world game, just that. It would not fit Horizon's sandbox. It's one of those ideas like Morrowind's like of questing UI. Way more interesting in theory than reasonable practice.
Left Behind just has suggestive themes. Which the ESRB describes as mild suggestive themes or materials. So that'd be more about a joke or something that's made in it than their relationship. Because Uncharted 4, where Drake and Elena are in a relationship, has none of those labels. It just has violence, blood, alcohol tobacco and language.
I've tweeted at them several times asking but no response. I don't have much hope. Drives me nuts that it's such an afterthought for Sony's studios. TLoU2 and Days Gone have it now but it was patched in well after launch. Control options like that should be available day 1 and Horizon in particular seems like an amazing fit for it.
Haha thanks and yeah hopefully they do with Korra.
I expect nothing with Aloy but will be an unhinged shipper everytime she interacts with another woman.