Is there a timeframe of when he could have started this role? He's been doing this for a while then?
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George Papadopoulos, foreign policy advisor for Trump campaign, secretly pleaded guilty
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Is there a timeframe of when he could have started this role? He's been doing this for a while then?
That is a fun read.
Who will play Papado in the movie version?
Oh, I found one: Dominic Cooper. Plays the greek fiancee in Mamma Mia. Looks like he could pull off Pappado.
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It looks like George Papadopoulos will be to this what John Dean was to Watergate. The relative unknown who flipped and changed the game.
He was apprehended on July 27th. So he could have been working for months now.
It was like this before, but we're definitely in a spy movie now. This is just the tip of the iceberg no doubt, next weeks/months are going to be crazy.
Was scouring my brain trying to think of somebody and was coming up empty.
Dominic Cooper though, damn... yeah, that'd definitely work.
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It's better to remove a thorn than keep it lodged in your skin. It'll hurt, but it feels so much better afterwards.
Pardoning before a conviction could easily be seen as obstruction of justice, as the intent of the pardon is not to forgive a crime that has been committed, but to essentially deny prosecution of charges entirely.
Trump has already played his hand that he's willing to interfere in this manner (Arpaio, albeit he was already convicted and was awaiting sentencing). I would not put it past a man with everything to lose and no sense of boundaries to make this kind of gamble.
He can't pardon a crime that's part of a case against himself. That would be obstructing justice. He could try, which would tip Muellers hand but I'm fairly confident it would be against the law.
Financial crimes like Manafort and Gates have are also state crimes so a state AG could pick it up and go with it. If Trump pardons then the person getting pardoned has to accept, which is an admission of guilt and waives their 5th amendment rights after that point. They could be compelled to testify against Trump.
Couldn't they just refuse to testify, and Trump could pardon them for that too? Hypothetically?
I mean that would be really clear cut obstruction of justice, wouldn't it? If they're compelled to testify literally against Trump and Trump pardons them for not doing it... yeah that's obstruction.
Has anyone else, at any point today, just kinda stepped back to try and truly take this all in. I'm absolutely astounded something like this is happening before my eyes. It's something you usually only read about or watch, but to witness it unfolding is just crazy. And to think this is just the start.
One of his lawyers has already shifted from "No collusion." to "So what?", on Twitter no less.
I've seen "collusion isn't illegal" like 20 times today from commenters on right-wing sites, which means someone is giving them that talking point.
Oh no doubt there are talking points going around. Some of the usual #MAGA people were throwing around the unpaid volunteer line for Papa etc before the White House tried to use it.
Someone should tell them that the criminal charge of conspiracy is illegal...
George Papadopoulos is also the name of a notorious Greek dictator during Greece's Junta regime (1967-1974).
Today I learned he has no ties to the Greek American community. No Greek Americans know him and he isnt a member of the Lawyer's Association either. He also dropped college.
To think journalists and politicians here were happy he was Greek...
Today I learned he has no ties to the Greek American community. No Greek Americans know him and he isnt a member of the Lawyer's Association either. He also dropped college.
To think journalists and politicians here were happy he was Greek...
Most definitely, will be interesting to see if he makes it to his Nov 9th confirmation hearing
I would think he is going to drop out of that appointment for sure. Somehow I don't think he (or Trump admin) want him under oath on TV.
Coffee boy is such a great pejorative in this case. Think of how many conversations this guy had in the past few months that seemed innocuous and anonymous. Heh!
That and the fact it will be a bloodbath seeing how woefully unqualified he is
It's still progress that they've abandoned "no collusion" (after only a day!) and fallen back to "collusion isn't illegal".
looks like you colluded.
"Hey, we didn't do that!"
yes you did.
"Okay, well, we didn't intend to"
yes you did.
"But, but, its not illegal though!"
so you admit you lied?
"..."
"Hey, we didn't do that!"
yes you did.
"Okay, well, we didn't intend to"
yes you did.
"But, but, its not illegal though!"
so you admit you lied?
"..."
im not sure exactly but wasnt nixon pardoned for any crimes he may have committed or some wording like that? The president has some large powers on pardon under really expansive wording. However I dont see him pardoning ppl going to fly well anyway.
Honestly I never thought we would see a modern day Watergate. All this is just...I cant believe this happens in modern American history.
Clovis might also have already been working with Mueller. I assume it's more than just Papadopoulos that's flipped.
He can still only pardon federal crimes. With Manafort it's likely New York state can also charge him for money laundering and tax evasion which the President does not have the power to offer pardons for.
I think Trump's position on anything he's been accused of had always been, "I didn't do it and even if I did it's not illegal for me to do that."
The fallout from him pardoning such serious crimes would be tremendous though.
I'd like to think so but I'm still not convinced it would cause Republicans to actually do anything.
CNN posted the clip from that interview.
http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2017/10/30/george-papadopoulos-wire-mueller-investigation-tsr.cnn
Collusion isn't even an individual crime. The crime involved here is conspiracy to obtain help from a foreign power to influence a US election. And also Trump's obstruction of justice regarding the first.
Not to mention to accept a pardon you have to admit guilt and can't plead the fifth for any other cases, such as state cases which are sure to pour in over financial crimes.
He could! It would be politically disastrous but honestly when has that stopped him.
What will stop him is, once someone has been pardoned, they aren't just in a no-charges free zone. If Mueller is going after Trump, and Trump pardons Manafort, then Mueller can compel Manafort to testify, anyway. If Manafort doesn't show up, he goes to jail. If Manafort goes up there and lies, Trump can't pardon him for perjury. If Manafort wants to take the fifth, he can't, because Trump pardoned him for those crimes so he wouldn't be incriminating himself and thus has no constitutional right to protection.
That said, Trump has certainly already asked people about it, and will certainly use it to protect Kushner and Don Jr.
As someone pointed out earlier, the "collision isn't illegal" had been the line since we found out about Jr's meeting.
They're screwing themselves no matter what position they take.
I'm convinced Mueller and his team already have everything they need to take down Trump and the big players here. He's just allowing time for more of the rats to incriminate themselves.
With this Papadopoulos bombshell I'm starting to think they might have enough as well, but might use this to get some rats to flip and strengthen their case even more.
"Collusion" isn't a legal term, and "collusion" sounds too soft, which is why the term "collusion" has always sucked.
"Conspiracy" is a crime, but colloquially, people think of 9/11 chemtrails melting steel vaccines to hide JFK's killer, not the actual legal definition of a "conspiracy".
Word choice here is tough.
"Conspiracy" is a crime, but colloquially, people think of 9/11 chemtrails melting steel vaccines to hide JFK's killer, not the actual legal definition of a "conspiracy".
Word choice here is tough.
The Papadopoulos news just proves the investigation is keeping all of their actual cards hidden. This was super old news for them and are probably sitting on all kinds of bombshells ever since they arrested that guy. They may have other informants by now as well.