Manafort was explicitly breaking the rules of his agreement while he was under arrest.
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Grand Jury indicts Jussie Smollett on 16 felony counts
- Thread starter Syriel
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That would presumably be a federal case.
Unless he does something dumb like refuse to admit guilt it's likely he won't go to jail for these.
Right, it's like a trial in a country with barely any rights for the accused at all, where they also say it's fine because they at least let the accused speak for themselves at some point, but in the end there's still a 99% conviction rate.
Which is fine because it's just an additional step over the prosecutor just bringing it straight to court where the accused has all their rights, but not fine to be treated as anything more than a prosecutor's opinion.
I guess you could maybe treat it as 1% more than the prosecutor's opinion.
But he was indicted by a grand jury so that's what the article says.
No one knows what a grand jury is. They just know what a jury is and assume it must be somehow more grand. And for people who do know what it is, it adds basically no information more than just saying he was indicted. That's what makes it misleading.
If it was called something boring like an arraignment committee, it never would be in headlines.
Nobody gets convicted by the grand jury, it's a checks and balances system for felony charges to ensure people don't just get accused of crimes without any basis. I'm not sure where you're getting the 99% thing from, probably cynicism of the justice system which I get, but I've seen many charges refused by the grand jury because getting a group of people to agree on anything is usually a challenge
Looking over this thread, it's nice to know I wasn't the only one to think this, lol.
It would say "Comittee Indicts..."
I don't understand the desire to hold back information because not everyone is a lawyer. A grand jury indicted the guy.
I especially don't understand using this particular case to raise that issue.
Yup, next week.
No way he does over 46 months. Just no after a treasonous bastard got that. No way.
This is going to be fucked if he does.
This is going to be fucked if he does.
sure, but. He got 4 years which was less than the time his own defense even recommended. So, its likely hes not going to catch much from the additional charges.
Big difference here is that Manafort committed multiple crimes, and made a mockery of the justice system, and the judge even made comments about how hes still a good person outside of all that. But hes wealthy and white.
Juss is about to have the book thrown at him and likely get the max for everything. Like all POC generally do.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/ferguson-federal-grand-jury-indictment-statistics-history-134942645.html
In the more than 162,500 cases prosecuted by U.S. attorneys from 2009 to 2010, grand juries voted not to return an indictment in only 11, according to data from the Bureau of Justice Statistics — equivalent to one in 14,759 cases, or 0.0068 percent.
I was being generous by not saying 99.997%
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It's pointless information, which can only go one way toward misleading, and isn't needed for the head such as:
Jussie Smollett indicted on 16 counts over allegedly phony claims of racist, homophobic attack
Of all the cases to raise this I'm not sure this is a good choice.
And the first line of the article is?
It's fine to say a grand jury is the source of the indictments. Because it is. I don't want my news catered to idiots.
Actually, its the perfect case.
A false police report versus, every single thing manafort did and continued to do, will see less time in the media, as well as less time in prison than Jusse's about to if it all goes the way it usually does. Jusse will be made an example of, unlike Manafort.
But what important info does it even add?
Whatever, I didn't intend for it to turn into an argument and I'm going to stop before it gets too off topic.
Edit: And to answer "why this topic" it triggers me every time i see the headline, and I've brought it up before. I don't do it every single topic like this, but i figured this one might have more people not as interested in the criminal process and might like to know. But I don't mean to disrail the topic over it.
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He probably won't serve prison time unless he refuses to sign a plea deal, loses, and then the judge really throws the book at him for wasting everyone's time.
It boggles the mind that after all this selfish asshole did people are trying to twist the narrative to make him some type of martyr with " Because he's black", " But Manafort" fucking wow. He probably won't even serve any time anyway, celebrity is celebrity
Also considering how infrequently people get charged with filing a false police report to begin with. Although Jussie took it to another level with his accusations
Yeah. I'd like to have some level of optimism about this but that whole "he's a good person if you ignore all the things he did" really makes it clear that the whole "good person" thing is tied not to one's actions but to indelible marks of identity. Privileges of weath and fame are no substitute for the whole whiteness thing
Pretty much, they got him dead to rights, no need for a trial where it's a foregone conclusion for him to potentially end up shit creek if it went through the full process.
Unless he's an even bigger idiot than we already suspect he'll plead guilty and stay out of jail completely. Him being charged with crimes isn't shocking because we all realize at this point that he committed crimes.
But that is for federal crimes where prosecutors also get a huge percent of guilty pleas. States are lower I believe, but I can't find the exact statistics.
ya he fucked up, but breaking news fucking up? Nah, thats just the system working as intended.
Find me someone shocked..ill wait..
Point is, if he gets any time -- it will in comparison be more than Paul Manafort, who loves crimes. Which illustrates the point that wealthy white men are untouchable in the justice system, generally. Its just a fun example to witness. Its rarely this boldly illustrated. Including media coverage.
Poor, poor Smollett, greedy, parasitic sociopath exploiting racism and fear and the real suffering of people experiencing the real deal.
But if you are lucky maybe he doesn't get any jail time, America's "justice" is fucked, as has been proven time and again.
Uhh...Jussie's the one who intended this to be talked about in the first place. He was a queer, black actor who experienced a brutal hate crime, who was standing up to hate and looking like a role model to many people. People wanted to support him and propelled the story further. Now that it's revealed it was all fake you're shocked that it's considered "breaking news" as if this hasn't been a story people have genuinely cared about since it was first reported? Come the fuck on.
Breaking news is exactly what Smollet wanted, but also average people are ravenous for celebrity news and crime, not so much politicians.
He lied.. and thats that. This was breaking news over a white supremacist coast guard wannabe with an arsenal and a congressional hit list.. at the time. You do understand what is going on here, right?
I don't have any shame in asking for more clarification. Tell me what you think is going on.
Its bigger news that a black man lied in the united states than having a potus that lies 6000+ times whenever he breathes, or a man committing crimes around the clock working for said president getting away with his crimes against our country, or a white supremacist wanting to gun down congresspeople.
People are getting played falling for this shit. He lied, hes going to plea his case in court, thats a wrap. My bad for believing the dude, and thats all you can do. The media is stoking this fire, on both sides for ratings.. but they wont touch the reality of the country right now.
We are not a hive mind, he is a flawed individual. His actions don't mean anything for anyone else who actually got gunned down in a church because they were black. Or, un-runover a woman from gentleman that had some good people in that group. But, thats the bullshit narrative that keeps popping up. That he is some how representative of anything. Its obscene the traction this is getting.
What is this post? I crime shouldn't need to inherently be violent for someone to get locked up.
100 percent this. Won't do a day of jail. Probation and community service or variation of. (Not including any new charges if found to have sent the threat letter to himself).
Idiots career is justifiable over minus the poor me tour.
Wish he had to spend time doing community service in high crime Chicago neighborhoods with legitimate violent crime victims. At least fine him for all the hours and resource drain of his bogus claims, also taking away from investigating legit violent crimes.