Yeah because you can play the main singleplayer game. But you need a PSN account for the multiplayer mode.
Helldivers 2 has been delisted on Steam in countries where PSN isn't available
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Arrowhead absolutely understood what a disaster this would be. They obviously had to do it anyways, but I can see why doing the dumb thing that you knew was gonna blow up and watching it subsequently blow up would be a shitty experience.
Sony should've listened and realized some battles aren't worth fighting.
Sony should've listened and realized some battles aren't worth fighting.
Thank you for the summary. In all my years of gaming I've never seen such a thing. Just wow.
Arrowhead are between a rock and a hard place.
Amazing you can think this considering the consecutive anti-consumer practices that Sony has very much persisted with over the years. They are the market leader, they can get away with whatever the hell they want and push people to their limits because they have the console industry in a vicegrip.
Lol, Totoki already catching Ls
I wonder what the internal discussions were at Sony before/during this. I'm inclined to believe the insistence here was for boosting MAUs for PSN
It would be catastrophically for HD2 if more than 95% of players boycott the game.
(you know, because the MW2 image is STILL getting "misinterpreted" because that list was automatically sorted by players online. It showed page 1 of 17.
You will be fine for single player but online games will need PSN and probably all future PS titles will require PSN.
Steam users don't determine anything for the GOTYs. I seem to remember it did, but can someone confirm if Overwatch required a Battle.net account in 2016 to play? I know that game was well recognised at Geoff's show that year and won a few awards including GOTY.
They've essentially been ignoring the wording of their own PSN ToS to permit themselves to not rollout their infrastructure to more territories and honestly, it's kind of hilarious that it's exploded in their face so terribly.
It's so plainly obvious that they wanted people to go out of their way to break ToS and create overseas accounts to keep playing their game. Schaudenfreude is real and I'm permitting myself to enjoy a tiny bit of it, as a treat, just this once, because companies really will try to take everything, including the piss.
Edit: Sucks for Arrowhead getting caught in this crossfire though. It might hurt them as far as their publisher deal goes with Sony but I'm glad they're publicly against this happening, too
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Think multiple factors here play a role them not delisting it in non-PSN countries:
- The main part of the game, the singleplayer campaign, for which you don't need to link a PSN account, is still playable. Different situation with Helldivers, where the multiplayer mode is the main game.
- They will enforce this account linking requirement for the Legends mode from day one, no exceptions.
Sony is pretty tone deaf and it's honestly sort of a marvel PS is as popular as it is. Xbox has been bending over backward for fans for over a decade now and it's not working. Sony doesn't even offer a proper refund service. Nobody seems to care.
Of course Philippines is included in that list yet official supported of PlayStation has been here since the PS2.
It's a service game, the service is a major part of the game. It'll definitely impact fans votings, and I'd question press(es) who vote for HD2 without considering this screw up.
It's definitely for the MAU boost on that quarterly/yearly report. Gotta look good for the investors.
Even if Sony were to backtrack for this title, the restrictive reach of Sony's PSN (officially at least) and Valve's worldwide presence was inevitably going to become an issue in the long term, it is just coming to a point now in a very public way. If Valve isn't willing to go along with Sony unofficially saying to just make accounts in other regions (something that could theoritically induce liability for Valve in some of the counties PSN isn't covered in for selling a game unsupported in said countries), Sony probably has to either expand the reach of the PSN, drop the PSN requirements as part of their future PC plans, or accept the restricted reach they'll have with their online Steam releases.
They should, but it is clear this is a roadmap to what Sony plans on doing in the PC space. They clearly want account link required for their games on Steam, given the rest of the PC space, its understandable.
Sony delivers the goods in the end.
It unfortunately what only matters.
Why? they do it with all the others that require an account. What makes this one different
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Ultimately, what people really care about is playing games that they enjoy. That's the main reason that PlayStation and Nintendo remain such major players in the gaming industry despite their issues.
Are you also worried about Red dead redemption 2? Or Sea of thieves or….
Sony invested Billions into their GaaS push, this is their first success
Successful GaaS games is like winning the lottery, most of them fail.
This could be Sony's only GaaS success.
They fucked up hard.
youre fine, single player wont be affected but MP will require the psn link. it will be that at launch
Let's go! Helldivers will follow Overwatch path but better and much much faster!…
Let's hope not, nowadays i need a OUIJA board to link my overwatch account
yea i would had said just make psn account that is supported and keep playing but sony made sure that wasn't going to happen now.
Why? Sucker Punch already came out and said you need a PSN account to use the co-op and multiplayer, but not the single player. It's gonna be required at launch.
Why? They have been clear as day, if you want to play MP you will be required to have an account.
Likely Single player + Co OP mode games won't be affected. Only Online only titles.
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This game is also a massive hit on PS5, where none of this plays a role. This game is still a surprise hit, even if this affects the player count on PC, it will still be much bigger than they ever expected.
Or they could've delayed the game until the PSN integration is ready, so they don't have to deceive people like this.
Or they could've let it slide since they missed the deadline for the game's release, they can try again in their next game.
Well that raises another question - Will it still be sold in non-PSN regions with half the game not working for people unable to officially create PSN accounts? In the wake of this kerfuffle it's a good question to be asking / thing to be wary of
I'm sure it is going to be a situation of just create a PSN account in your closet supported region.
The thing many companies find hard to understand when they're in the middle of PR disasters is that you don't get anything by being right. And that's why many of them spiral out of control. You get defensive and petulant because you want to prove your point. We listed it on the store page! Other companies do it! We're right! But it doesn't matter.
It's easy to miss that as you look precedent, and look at logically, but you're not in debate club, you're in a place where right and wrong no longer matter, even assuming you're right.
You can't have pride and ego about it.
It's easy to miss that as you look precedent, and look at logically, but you're not in debate club, you're in a place where right and wrong no longer matter, even assuming you're right.
You can't have pride and ego about it.
I mean, when was the last time something of this scale has happened? How many games have suddenly told users post-launch: "Hey, so... you won't be able to play the game anymore" and then just a day later, pulled the game from sale from not only countries where PSN is supported by many where it is as well.
This whole thing has been an insane escalation that I don't think we've seen before. So I think expecting Arrowhead to just be like: "Yeah, okay, we'll just deal with it", is super unlikely. An insane escalation by Sony is going to result in a huge escalation by Arrowhead.
Why would Arrowhead want to work with Sony who has proven themselves willing to fully fuck over them?
Again All the other games like this do. Why is everyone thinking this is some unique untested use case?
It is legit fucked up that they're essentially asking people to break their own rules like that. Like they so actively don't enforce it I honestly wonder if it can even be still considered binding. The biggest consolation has that they've been pretty consistent throughout basically PSN's whole life and they don't really have a reason to stop that - didn't need Helldivers to show how badly suddenly enforcing it would go. From a gamer perspective it's been a good thing that they haven't given a shit. But even then I highlighted in the first thread how awkward it is to ask good-natured people to blatantly break a TOS like that, just out of principle.
They really should've sorted this shit out long ago, but now they're in a hell of honest people, and now it's become a major problem.
After this whole mess you really think anyone's listening? People are gonna buy it and get blindsided, doesn't matter what Sucker Punch says.
Which we have already established, in this very thread, what with unofficial PSN regions having been delisted for Helldivers… that it isn't as simple as that anymore and is against Sony's TOS.
Yes... the console industry. Sony does not and will not ever have the same market share on PC that they have in their own closed garden. Valve's "stranglehold" makes that a 100% certainty, and many folks reasonably doubt that even Microsoft can do that in the PC space. Sony don't have the leverage now with this one game, and PC gamers will not give it to them even with the 2 or 3 multiplayer PlayStation games that might end up being successful long-term.
Even if they feel bold enough to try, they won't succeed and we can then laugh at them for trying. It's voting with your wallet and it absolutely works.
Hm, good point. Before all of this happened, I would've said users could just make a PSN account and choose a different region if there's weren't supported.
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