I think his point is that with context, it's possible to give the guy a little bit of the benefit of the doubt. It really seems like he chose the wrong words and his meaning is being misconstrued. Taken at face value, I agree with you. Nothing of what he said is correct. But the dude is known to be a genuinely kind person. Of course, I guess it could all be a cover for a truly sickening human being deserving of the vitriol in this thread.What he said is still problematic no matter if the earlier stuff wasn't.
full quote not even shedding him tiny a good light, he reminiscing the good ol' days, no doesn't really means no, stuff like that...... I posted the full thing earlier as well. Cavill is not a bad guy here. Dude had some word soup, but you can tell he meant well with all the other stuff he said before that. To crucify him over this is mind boggling. He hasn't done anything wrong.
But doesn't he imply that he's over that now? It seemed to me like he was saying he enjoyed aspects of the good ol days in terms of the courting of women, but has now backed away from that after realizing it's probably not a good thing to do anymore. That's how I took it.full quote not even shedding him tiny a good light, he reminiscing the good ol' days, no doesn't really means no, stuff like that...
This is what people don't want to discuss. They don't want to try to see things from a perspective of a woman that might play hard to get and try to understand WHY. For many women it's deeply upsetting when they put themselves out there and after a man has had sex with them, he disappears and only reappears when he wants sex again. This is the whole genesis of the "cat and mouse" type thing that Cavill and other men have expressed. There ARE women who do this and they have a REASON for doing it.
There's too much dichotomous thinking and a stubborn unwillingness to even consider that A. Some people do certain things and B. They do it for reasons that make sense to them.
Its disingenuous to rob women of their agency and assume that they don't send a signal to a man that is intentionally difficult to understand for the purpose of protecting herself. I'm not saying it's the way things should be or that it's right to do that, just giving more context to this thing that DOES happen regardless of how many people want to act like it doesn't.
For the men saying "that's bullshit women should be able to just express sexual interest and not worry about seeming too easy!" There are men who use those exact words to pressure women into sex. I've actually met a woman who told me that she was speaking to a man who tried to convince her that she should send nudes because "I'm a feminist and would not body shame you." And tried to convince her that it is an act of resistance to patriarchal norms if she had sex with him on the first date. People are far more complicated than people here seem to think.
Things are changing and for some people they just aren't as quick on the uptake
Some people just like the thrill of the chase? Isn't it kind of sad in a way that it only boils down to two choices? Situations are different and don't necessarily boil down to A or B. What a boring, uninteresting life that would be
Then he continue with the hyperbole that became the headlineBut doesn't he imply that he's over that now? It seemed to me like he was saying he enjoyed aspects of the good ol days in terms of the courting of women, but has now backed away from that after realizing it's probably not a good thing to do anymore. That's how I took it.
"Now? Now you really can't pursue someone further than, 'No'. It's like, 'OK, cool'.
This line alone, at least to me, implies he's on board with the "no means I'm not interested" straight up. He even says, "Ok, cool". As in, "I'm done asking". Am I reading this wrong?
OTOH, Paul Walker likely was kind of a creep - https://therooster.com/blog/jared-fogle-and-paul-walker-have-lot-common
Seems like a hot take my dudeI know I'm going to get banner for this, I don't really care.
This forum has become a caricarure of Neogaf. Everything is related to fucking polítical correctness, social justice warrios, social media activists.
This thread is an example of that, this has become ridiculous.
Everything is us vs them, everything is black or white. Users are warned because they somehow "understand" Cavill's words (really?!) . If you don't post something politically correct you are warned or banned.
You don't see ir because you all feel like the good guys, fighting for the good cause. But you are becoming the enemy and sooner or later you will see it.
The funny thing is... Neogaf opened my eyes to social injustices, to understand minorities better, to be more empathic. I learned a lot, but since this places opened, slowly became a joke.
And now thanks to a lot of some of you, I started to become tired is reading the same bullshit over and over again, "they are the bad guys, we are the good ones! BTW good job punching that person because he thinks different than us (remember, we are the good ones!).
Cavill is dead to me! (See guys! I'm making social activism from my iphone!)
What a joke.
A discussion about Henry Cavills statements about fake sexual assualt allegations and the metoo movement. Also a general discussion about sexual assault and sexual assault allegations. Framing a normal adult relationship as something it's not and insinuating it's proof of his attitude and actions towards women isn't helpful.
Literal nazis deserve to be punched. How can you argue otherwise?BTW good job punching that person because he thinks different than us (remember, we are the good ones!).
www.reddit.comI know I'm going to get banner for this, I don't really care.
This forum has become a caricarure of Neogaf. Everything is related to fucking polítical correctness, social justice warrios, social media activists.
This thread is an example of that, this has become ridiculous.
Everything is us vs them, everything is black or white. Users are warned because they somehow "understand" Cavill's words (really?!) . If you don't post something politically correct you are warned or banned.
You don't see ir because you all feel like the good guys, fighting for the good cause. But you are becoming the enemy and sooner or later you will see it.
The funny thing is... Neogaf opened my eyes to social injustices, to understand minorities better, to be more empathic. I learned a lot, but since this places opened, slowly became a joke.
And now thanks to a lot of some of you, I started to become tired is reading the same bullshit over and over again, "they are the bad guys, we are the good ones! BTW good job punching that person because he thinks different than us (remember, we are the good ones!).
Cavill is dead to me! (See guys! I'm making social activism from my iphone!)
What a joke.
Then he continue with the hyperbole that became the headline
"Oh why'd you give up?' And it's like, 'Well, because I didn't want to go to jail?'"
I don't know how this can be anything than he sounds like he antagonizing the current climate
Yeah, I agree that last comment is what started the whole thread, but like you said, it was such a hyperbolic statement that it's kind of tongue in cheek. In my mind, that "bad joke" doesn't negate everything he said before that in admitting he's changing his views and is on the side of the good fight. I think we both agree that he should not have said that and it hurts his message.Then he continue with the hyperbole that became the headline
"Oh why'd you give up?' And it's like, 'Well, because I didn't want to go to jail?'"
I don't know how this can be anything than he sounds like he antagonizing the current climate
Literal nazis deserve to be punched. How can you argue otherwise?
I know I'm going to get banner for this, I don't really care.
This forum has become a caricarure of Neogaf. Everything is related to fucking polítical correctness, social justice warrios, social media activists.
This thread is an example of that, this has become ridiculous.
Everything is us vs them, everything is black or white. Users are warned because they somehow "understand" Cavill's words (really?!) . If you don't post something politically correct you are warned or banned.
You don't see ir because you all feel like the good guys, fighting for the good cause. But you are becoming the enemy and sooner or later you will see it.
The funny thing is... Neogaf opened my eyes to social injustices, to understand minorities better, to be more empathic. I learned a lot, but since this places opened, slowly became a joke.
And now thanks to a lot of some of you, I started to become tired is reading the same bullshit over and over again, "they are the bad guys, we are the good ones! BTW good job punching that person because he thinks different than us (remember, we are the good ones!).
Cavill is dead to me! (See guys! I'm making social activism from my iphone!)
What a joke.
Some people deserve to be punched, don't know what to tell you.i was expecting for this reply lol
not that i disagree, but yeah, these threads are very predictable
LMAO. OK. Congrats on the banner here on the caricarure.I know I'm going to get banner for this, I don't really care.
This forum has become a caricarure of Neogaf. Everything is related to fucking polítical correctness, social justice warrios, social media activists.
This thread is an example of that, this has become ridiculous.
Everything is us vs them, everything is black or white. Users are warned because they somehow "understand" Cavill's words (really?!) . If you don't post something politically correct you are warned or banned.
You don't see ir because you all feel like the good guys, fighting for the good cause. But you are becoming the enemy and sooner or later you will see it.
The funny thing is... Neogaf opened my eyes to social injustices, to understand minorities better, to be more empathic. I learned a lot, but since this places opened, slowly became a joke.
And now thanks to a lot of some of you, I started to become tired is reading the same bullshit over and over again, "they are the bad guys, we are the good ones! BTW good job punching that person because he thinks different than us (remember, we are the good ones!).
Cavill is dead to me! (See guys! I'm making social activism from my iphone!)
What a joke.
You learned nothing. ByeI know I'm going to get banner for this, I don't really care.
This forum has become a caricarure of Neogaf. Everything is related to fucking polítical correctness, social justice warrios, social media activists.
This thread is an example of that, this has become ridiculous.
Everything is us vs them, everything is black or white. Users are warned because they somehow "understand" Cavill's words (really?!) . If you don't post something politically correct you are warned or banned.
You don't see ir because you all feel like the good guys, fighting for the good cause. But you are becoming the enemy and sooner or later you will see it.
The funny thing is... Neogaf opened my eyes to social injustices, to understand minorities better, to be more empathic. I learned a lot, but since this places opened, slowly became a joke.
And now thanks to a lot of some of you, I started to become tired is reading the same bullshit over and over again, "they are the bad guys, we are the good ones! BTW good job punching that person because he thinks different than us (remember, we are the good ones!).
Cavill is dead to me! (See guys! I'm making social activism from my iphone!)
What a joke.
He's talking about how he will be falsely accused"Well, I don't want to go up and talk to her, because I'm going to be called a rapist or something"
I just can't even follow that train of thought?
The funny thing is... Neogaf opened my eyes to social injustices, to understand minorities better, to be more empathic. I learned a lot, but since this places opened, slowly became a joke.
I know I'm going to get banner for this, I don't really care.
This forum has become a caricarure of Neogaf. Everything is related to fucking polítical correctness, social justice warrios, social media activists.
This thread is an example of that, this has become ridiculous.
Everything is us vs them, everything is black or white. Users are warned because they somehow "understand" Cavill's words (really?!) . If you don't post something politically correct you are warned or banned.
You don't see ir because you all feel like the good guys, fighting for the good cause. But you are becoming the enemy and sooner or later you will see it.
The funny thing is... Neogaf opened my eyes to social injustices, to understand minorities better, to be more empathic. I learned a lot, but since this places opened, slowly became a joke.
And now thanks to a lot of some of you, I started to become tired is reading the same bullshit over and over again, "they are the bad guys, we are the good ones! BTW good job punching that person because he thinks different than us (remember, we are the good ones!).
Cavill is dead to me! (See guys! I'm making social activism from my iphone!)
What a joke.
Isn't that what Cavill is essentially saying?Your options are:
1) Accept no means no, potentially leaving a women single if she was actually playing hard to get
2) Don't accept no means no, potentially sexually assaulting or harassing a woman who did not in fact want your dick
It's a pretty easy choice to me!
....good for you? Surprised this didnt end with and this is why we I'm voting for trump
From experience, let me say: It isn't that hard to try to court someone and not come off like a fucking rapist. All of this shit is some slippery sloping-ass fearmongering garbage.He worded that abysmally, but I understand what he's getting at.
Guys are afraid that their intentions will be misconstrued when all they're trying to do is woo a girl.
"There's something wonderful about a man chasing a woman. There's a traditional approach to that, which is nice. I think a woman should be wooed and chased, but maybe I'm old-fashioned for thinking that.This is the problem with sound bites no room for caveats just knee jerk reactions.
Actually this is something Resetera has yet to improve. Not all things are black and white. Resetera should stand against bigotry, sexism, racism, or various kinds of hate speech. But yet at the same time it has to spare a room for the other side of coin (this doesnt apply to topic dicussing about bigotry, sexism, and racism)
I know I'm going to get banner for this, I don't really care.
This forum has become a caricarure of Neogaf. Everything is related to fucking polítical correctness, social justice warrios, social media activists.
This thread is an example of that, this has become ridiculous.
Everything is us vs them, everything is black or white. Users are warned because they somehow "understand" Cavill's words (really?!) . If you don't post something politically correct you are warned or banned.
You don't see ir because you all feel like the good guys, fighting for the good cause. But you are becoming the enemy and sooner or later you will see it.
The funny thing is... Neogaf opened my eyes to social injustices, to understand minorities better, to be more empathic. I learned a lot, but since this places opened, slowly became a joke.
And now thanks to a lot of some of you, I started to become tired is reading the same bullshit over and over again, "they are the bad guys, we are the good ones! BTW good job punching that person because he thinks different than us (remember, we are the good ones!).
Cavill is dead to me! (See guys! I'm making social activism from my iphone!)
What a joke.
I can't help but imagining something bullshit like saying "hey babe, wanna had good times" is about the only thing that made you came of as frigging rapist, and quite frankly you does came off as shady guy.. even then most police won't take kind of report seriously despite maybe they should.He worded that abysmally, but I understand what he's getting at.
Guys are afraid that their intentions will be misconstrued when all they're trying to do is woo a girl.
Dude, I agree with you, but I am very close with girls who want guys to chase them, and want them to ask multiple times.From experience, let me say: It isn't that hard to try to court someone and not come off like a fucking rapist. All of this shit is some slippery sloping-ass fearmongering garbage.
Haha, it's all in the chase? If they say "no" enough times, maybe just stop.
If your advances can be perceived as lecherousA lot of overreactions in here for what I think is simply a lack of eloquence on Cavill's part.
I'm sure as an A-list Hollywood actor you do have to be careful whom you date, and be legitimately concerned whether your advances might be mistaken as something more lecherous than what they actually are. I also have to assume that he's had some past experience that shaped this viewpoint.
Dude, I agree with you, but I am very close with girls who want guys to chase them, and want them to ask multiple times.
I can't make this shit up. Not everyone is on the same page. I was with a girl who said to me during sex "I don't think we should do this" so I stopped immediately. She then got pissed at me and said I wasn't supposed to listen to her.
A great many women are wonderful, level headed people that experience terrible things everyday, and then you meet people like the girl above.
I know I'm going to get banner for this, I don't really care.
This forum has become a caricarure of Neogaf. Everything is related to fucking polítical correctness, social justice warrios, social media activists.
This thread is an example of that, this has become ridiculous.
Everything is us vs them, everything is black or white. Users are warned because they somehow "understand" Cavill's words (really?!) . If you don't post something politically correct you are warned or banned.
You don't see ir because you all feel like the good guys, fighting for the good cause. But you are becoming the enemy and sooner or later you will see it.
The funny thing is... Neogaf opened my eyes to social injustices, to understand minorities better, to be more empathic. I learned a lot, but since this places opened, slowly became a joke.
And now thanks to a lot of some of you, I started to become tired is reading the same bullshit over and over again, "they are the bad guys, we are the good ones! BTW good job punching that person because he thinks different than us (remember, we are the good ones!).
Cavill is dead to me! (See guys! I'm making social activism from my iphone!)
What a joke.
If your advances can be perceived as lecherous
maybe don't be lecherous in your advances.
Why is this hard, and why do you assume this is harder for A-listers? If they're so fucking famous that sex is easily thrown at them, why should they expect an easier time trying to secure it?
If your advances can be perceived as lecherous
maybe don't be lecherous in your advances.
Why is this hard, and why do you assume this is harder for A-listers? If they're so fucking famous that sex is easily thrown at them, why should they expect an easier time trying to secure it?
No. I think you literally misunderstood everything. I said we should not have any space for bigotry, but we should have more room for arguments outside of bigotry topic especially to those black and white topics that do not have relation at all with bigotry topic including sexism and racism.Sorry, but can you clarify this? Because as typed it looks like "Resetera has no room for bigots, but we gotta have some space for discussing kinda-bigotry." It's just kind of unclear.
Is it that difficult to say "I'm in it for the sex" or "I'm looking for a relationship"? Even if it's the former and unspoken, is it that hard the next morning to bring up the latter? The entire culture around Tinder and other hookup apps make this stuff clear. His selectivity is painting himself into a corner because he seemingly wants an antiquated chase but can't find it.His basically saying a bastardised version of this. And if sex is thrown at them it's a much harder time trying to secure it , not everyone wants a relationship and Henry is looking for a relationship he even says it in the article. His selective over who he wants to be with .
Yeah, that's cool, I get you. Star Wars topics are a goddamn disaster here (and everywhere else, too). I'm just wondering what stance on this topic in that other person's post you said should be debatable.No. I think you literally misunderstood everything. I said we should not have any space for bigotry, but we should have more room for arguments outside of bigotry topic especially to those black and white topics that do not have relation at all with bigotry topic including sexism and racism.
As an example, I showed a controversial opinion about star wars but i was judged as a troll for having that opinion literally in this forum (which turns out people misunderstood my statement due to ambiguous situation)
Completely agree. Being open and up front is the best policy. Some people just love the intrigue I guess??If your advances can be perceived as lecherous
maybe don't be lecherous in your advances.
Why is this hard, and why do you assume this is harder for A-listers? If they're so fucking famous that sex is easily thrown at them, why should they expect an easier time trying to secure it?
It's kind of ironic to quote him in a conversation about this, but there was a Louis CK bit about this. The woman wanted him to be more forceful when she rejected his advances and he called out how stupid that was.
Ultimately this is why talking about your desires openly is a good thing. Having one to get chased but not letting a suitor know is a recipe for disaster.
"There's something wonderful about a man chasing a woman. There's a traditional approach to that, which is nice. I think a woman should be wooed and chased, but maybe I'm old-fashioned for thinking that.
"It's very difficult to do that if there are certain rules in place. Because then it's like: 'Well, I don't want to go up and talk to her, because I'm going to be called a rapist or something'. So you're like, 'Forget it, I'm going to call an ex-girlfriend instead, and then just go back to a relationship, which never really worked'. But it's way safer than casting myself into the fires of hell, because I'm someone in the public eye, and if I go and flirt with someone, then who knows what's going to happen?"
Those are his literal words. If you can't see what they say, you're blind.
"It's very difficult to do that if there are certain rules in place." Oh no; women have more agency now. Can't woo them too hard.