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Hillary Clinton visits the Howard Stern show for her first interview
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In no universe would Hillary be as bad as Trump. The hyperbole of your assertions does not have to match the magnitude of your dislike of a person. There is plenty to criticize to get the point accross.
She started coups all around South America, which is what Brazil was pointing out (although poorly.)
She also was trying to start a war in Syria by arming rebels. Had she won, we definitely would have sent troops.
She's not worse than trump, but her role in killing a lot of brown people should not be swept under the rug. I won't even go into her role in protecting her alleged rapist husband.
Clinton would rather run again than ever work with Sanders. She blames him for losing the election.
Howard Stern is, obviously.
My God, she occupies so much rental space in some of y'all's heads.
Howard Stern is, obviously.
My God, she occupies so much rental space in some of y'all's heads.
Bingo, she already toured the UK and was on our chat shows.
Let's see if David Cameron tours America to try and sell a book. I always found it pretty... well, "American Capitalism" in action every politician can't wait to get out and earn millions selling books instead of actually fixing the country.
Cue Obama going on about the far-left or something. New book to sell Obama?
Every American Democrat is basically a Conservative, by British standards, except Bernie, you ain't changing my mind. Ain't the fault of the people the only decent choice is a fucking 110 year old with heart problems.
Or because her campaign actively wanted Trump to be the Republican nominee because they thought he'd be easiest to beat, got him and then proceeded to run a shit campaign in which she didn't even bother going to one of the states that was key to her winning (Wisconsin). But hey, at least she found time for Arizona!
Nope. You'll find many people outside of America are not fans of the Democrat Centrism machine which is basically Conservative politics. Amass wealth and fame and... be fucking useless for the actual country.
People who treat politics like it's a reality TV show/a way to get rich and famous, whilst the country burns.
The issue for the American people is soo much of the population lap it up cheering on and waving banners for rich people who don't really give two fucks about changing the status quo of America.
But I look forward to anyone quoting me saying "This is why we got Trump". Carry on. The catch-all answer to any criticism of the state of American centrism/hypersensitivity to the rest of the world telling them their favourite Democrats might as well be Conservatives. Obama's "Don't go too far left!" high-jinks.
The mental image of Hillary Clinton and George W. Bush chumming it up. Just two war criminals shooting the shit.
But that was brown people far away so nobody gives a shit. "Haha yeah they both hate Trump too!"
Many of those kids came from countries whose governments were destabilized by Clinton's actions as Secretary of State. She's not completely absolved of this either.
Arguably worse for his region of the world, which is why he specifically said foreign policy.
Seriously. What an asinine take "She would have been worse" is. My god.
im not saying shes good, but theres a reason why she was the candidate in 2016. Blame americans for not putting forward someone like bernie.
equalizing trump and clinton is why we got mickey mouse write in votes in 2016.
TheHunter put the effort into explaining the issue with this comparison
There's definitely a reason why we got Trump.They we're one of Trumps best allies during the Republican Primaries
They actively sought to triangulate their own actions in a way that would harm other candidates and benefit Donald Trump
So to take Bush down, Clinton's team drew up a plan to pump Trump up. Shortly after her kickoff, top aides organized a strategy call, whose agendaincluded a memo to the Democratic National Committee: "This memo is intended to outline the strategy and goals a potential Hillary Clinton presidential campaign would have regarding the 2016 Republican presidential field," it read.
"The variety of candidates is a positive here, and many of the lesser known can serve as a cudgel to move the more established candidates further to the right. In this scenario, we don't want to marginalize the more extreme candidates, but make them more 'Pied Piper' candidates who actually represent the mainstream of the Republican Party," read the memo.
"Pied Piper candidates include, but aren't limited to:
• Ted Cruz
• Donald Trump
• Ben Carson
We need to be elevating the Pied Piper candidates so that they are leaders of the pack and tell the press to [take] them seriously. "
Clinton's team in Brooklyn was delightedly puzzled by Trump's shift into the pole position that July after attacking John McCain by declaring, "I like people who weren't captured."
Eleven days after those comments about McCain, Clinton aides sought to push the plan even further: An agenda item for top aides' message planning meeting read, "How do we prevent Bush from bettering himself/how do we maximize Trump and others?"
In fact, Mook took him so seriously that his team's internal, if informal, guidance was to hold fire on Trump during the primary and resist the urge to distribute any of the opposition research the Democrats were scrambling to amass against him. That hoarding plan remained in place deep into 2016...
when Cruz and Trump emerged as pack leaders, and Podesta was telling fundraisers in closed-door meetings that he thought the Texan would win—that the team realized it was not prepared, strategically or tactically, for what many saw as a dream scenario.
If Trump was going to stay competitive, a rethink would soon be needed.
They Always Wanted Trump
Inside Team Clinton’s year-long struggle to find a strategy against the opponent they were most eager to face.www.politico.com
Ok, the problem with this is it was still America who voted him in.
The problem is always with the electorate in a democracy.
And the electorate ran with "Both Sides".
We got Trump because of many reasons. Racism, sexism, Clinton running a shit campaign in the rust belt, ect. Equating the two was minor when you consider the majority of Bernie supporters voted for her in the general.
There can be a problem with both, but as a candidate you aren't doing any favors by signal boosting someone terrible in an attempt to make yourself look better. That's just dishonest, and maybe a part of why some people became apathetic.
I definitely get that feeling as a Western European when I look at US culture in general. It's also starting to get hold over here, sadly.
That's fair. Thanks for your insight.
Agreed, thanks for the discussion. 2018 showed that the majority of Americans are able to make proper decisions. I fear that was an exception.
Of course, it is, the UK left is currently embroiled in American-like tactics of claiming Jeremy Corbyn isn't a good enough centrist and to bring us together we need to worry about Communism. But the UK is usually the first to career off a cliff edge into trying to be a mini-America.
Still, candidates like Corbyn are doing reasonably well with the youth and lifeblood of future generations, it's often the old people in the UK who routinely decide to fuck themselves and the country. The worrying thing I see in America is a lot of the youth, or young adults, going by Resetera's ages, have dived headfirst into lapping up Centrist American Democrat propaganda. You've skipped a few generations to your 50~60's and are already angry about keeping the status quo and not appearing to go "too far-left" into "Communist policies like healthcare for all". Or you know, ethical tax scaling where the rich don't just constantly get richer off the backs of inhumane poverty and borderline work-slavery.
I mean, last week when I seen Hillary and Chelsea Clinton were going to be on the Graham Norton show I didn't think "Oh great, left-wing American allies coming over to talk about how amazing the NHS is and that America is desperate for socialised healthcare for all, a better social security system and that the UK should vote for Jeremy Corbyn".
All I thought was, oh great, Hillary is over to moan about how 2016 was stolen from her and she's got a new book to sell. Says it all really.
Socialism and leftist thought is on the rise with the youth.
FYI.
I mean, I'm the person who will tell you to go with the Democratic candidate no matter what, because the alternative is simply more egoistic and evil, but I can agree that the US mainstream left is maybe slightly more left than the worst right wing party here in Switzerland. Bernie Sanders and AOC are what the US needs.
I feel like nobody actually read that post?
It didn't say "she would have been a worse president", it said "her foreign policy had potential to be worse", which isn't countered by a laundry list of shit things Trump has done
In general, yes, but the youth vote is incredibly fickle and is often the lowest turnout at elections. The youth need the young adults to help back them up, and the 20~40 bracket is currently a shitshow in America. As it is becoming in the UK too.
"Vote for the Democrat no matter what" isn't some revolutionary stance. I've voted in every election I could have since becoming legal. Even local. The biggest challenge in politics isn't being "not-lazy" and bothering to vote, it's fighting for better candidates or policy and getting your so called voting allies to come on-board.
Although sure, "not being lazy" is a big challenge because many don't vote. I mean ideologically above, you shouldn't be patting yourself on the back because you got off your ass to vote.
Because I think Hillary Clinton is a Conservative doesn't mean I'd have abstained from voting for her in 2016 if I lived in America.
Bernie Sanders is the only candidate in America even slightly different than business as usual. A sad state of affairs someone who probably is too old will get told to go off and die somewhere because he's not centrist enough/electable.
"Don't improve too much" they scream, as they wave banners and donate millions to the election machine of America.
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I mean the foreign policy ones would be. Like not tearing up the nuclear deal and leaving the Paris accords.
Just minor details though.
Nothing big.
I mean, those right wing parties are outright facists but sure.
The Dem party as a whole occupied left of center period. Yes, that means even compared to "true lefty Europeans that also somehow lose their minds if the word Muslim immigrant is brought up".
The problem is the Senate and the EC that holds back the left in the US.
And the racism.
And the ideological warfare between the people. Don't underestimate how speech works. It's like a virus, both for good and bad. Years and years and years of the American left deluding themselves into what to be centre-left even means has birthed generations of people who think Democrat centrism is what being left-wing is, so if someone comes along suggesting changing it up its instantly Communism, a red scare or the far-left. Yeah, the Republicans lead the charge in calling everything Communism, but the bigger issue is adult Democrats doing it too.
"Fuck you, I've got mine" is soo ingrained in the American Dream, as I said the other say the American Dream is really the American Nightmare. How many bodies can you climb over to say you've reached somewhere "near the top" and have amassed wealth (by actually being distinctly middle-class), have a big car and don't need to worry about $10,000 medical bills for having your prostate checked?
I was hopeful when people pushed back against Obama's recent bullshit, but part of that is probably frustration off the back of 8 years of no real change. Clinton never got a shot at it, so people are seemingly still hopeful she would have done... something. Whereas to anyone outside of America Clinton couldn't have represented peak-status quo any better.
The left in America needs a complete fucking reboot. To have anyone representing the Democrats that aren't willing to put their career behind changing your literally evil health system isn't good enough. It's why while you could take me for granted in America that I'd vote for the best option there was on election day, the only candidate I can actually support properly right now is Bernie. Yet when I look at American discourse on Bernie it's often soo fucking bitter, angry and resentful. Almost as if people wish he would just die, go away, and let the centrists come back out to play.
Keep on keeping on as Death Stranding says. Here's to more generations of more of the same.
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I voted for Hillary in the primary and general election. And while I do regret my primary vote for her, I don't dislike as many do and enjoyed much of the interview, and I of course would vote for her again and again if sent back in time to 2016.
The thing is, she continues to be tone-deaf to her own mistakes. Yes, the media would have ate up her "losing her cool" if she stood up to Trump while he hovered like a shark over her. Yes, the NYT did a terrible, terrible job covering the Comey letter, making it a front page headline when nothing new was actually found and then never apologizing for it while pushing Trump's Russia connections to some paragraph in the middle of a story.
But she says Bernie hurt her. All right, but why was Bernie, a then low-polling Senator, gaining in the polls and not taken out as easily as someone like O'Malley? Why is there any room for someone like Sanders? If you read Shattered, it's spectacular how little they understood about the country's anger at so many things, the anger at Bill over his NAFTA deal, the anger at politicians for going lockstep into Iraq, the failure to actually hold bankers accountable and sending people to jail after the 2008 housing crisis and crash. It happened in 2008 as well; she polled well above everybody, and a lesser-known person who generates grassroots excitement creeps up on her, only in that case, she lost.
Her efforts in health care, going all the way back to Arkansas, are underrated as all hell. But she needs to acknowledge that her attempts to triangulate on so many issues didn't actually help her long-term. And let's not get into wasting time in Congress going after video games, which I'm sure was also politically motivated considering her views right now consist of other countries with violent video games not having gun deaths as the US does.
The thing is, she continues to be tone-deaf to her own mistakes. Yes, the media would have ate up her "losing her cool" if she stood up to Trump while he hovered like a shark over her. Yes, the NYT did a terrible, terrible job covering the Comey letter, making it a front page headline when nothing new was actually found and then never apologizing for it while pushing Trump's Russia connections to some paragraph in the middle of a story.
But she says Bernie hurt her. All right, but why was Bernie, a then low-polling Senator, gaining in the polls and not taken out as easily as someone like O'Malley? Why is there any room for someone like Sanders? If you read Shattered, it's spectacular how little they understood about the country's anger at so many things, the anger at Bill over his NAFTA deal, the anger at politicians for going lockstep into Iraq, the failure to actually hold bankers accountable and sending people to jail after the 2008 housing crisis and crash. It happened in 2008 as well; she polled well above everybody, and a lesser-known person who generates grassroots excitement creeps up on her, only in that case, she lost.
Her efforts in health care, going all the way back to Arkansas, are underrated as all hell. But she needs to acknowledge that her attempts to triangulate on so many issues didn't actually help her long-term. And let's not get into wasting time in Congress going after video games, which I'm sure was also politically motivated considering her views right now consist of other countries with violent video games not having gun deaths as the US does.
It's lazy, disingenuous, and selective reading by many which ironically enough, they will accuse others of doing.
Just going to comment on the interview itself...
I was somewhat disappointed it was primarily what they refer to as a soft ball interview. Not a whole lot of hard hitting questions. There was some insight into the 2016 race, but could have been a whole lot more. However we know Howard is a different person these days. In his book he talks about more than once regretting being immature and disrespectful towards people in the past.
I was happy as a longtime Stern fan that he did address why she never came on the show in 2016. I thought her reply was honest enough but it was also very matter of fact. Somewhat disappointing neither probed that a bit more.
Was still a good interview, a really good interview, just not a great one.
The Adam Sandler interview today was great though. Really damn great.
I was somewhat disappointed it was primarily what they refer to as a soft ball interview. Not a whole lot of hard hitting questions. There was some insight into the 2016 race, but could have been a whole lot more. However we know Howard is a different person these days. In his book he talks about more than once regretting being immature and disrespectful towards people in the past.
I was happy as a longtime Stern fan that he did address why she never came on the show in 2016. I thought her reply was honest enough but it was also very matter of fact. Somewhat disappointing neither probed that a bit more.
Was still a good interview, a really good interview, just not a great one.
The Adam Sandler interview today was great though. Really damn great.
Not sure if all the audio is available but the transcript seems to be.
I also think about Puerto Rico.
Trump abandoned them when any other President would've helped. It will take decades for some people to recover.
From a UK persons perspective, I would say the Dems are Cameron Tories where as the May/Boris Tories are more aligned with the GOP.
They are further right than the Cameron Tories but in no way shape or form are they anything close to the GOP despite how despicable they are.
Our Conservatives aren't quite as wild as the American Conservatives... yet. We're somewhat heading in that direction. But at least our answer to everything isn't buy guns, homosexuality causes autism and climate change is a hoax. Our Tories begrudgingly have to leave some of that nonsense behind. Boris even having to say in the Tory manifesto he'll plant some trees.
The UK is far less religious than America, or at least, it's far more of a private matter here. Religious exceptionalism has ruined America and even with trends in America leaving behind some of the nutjob evangelical shit, the amount of money behind it still leads to power. Like everything in America, wherever the money is, the country follows. Like the NRA!
They do hate poor and disabled people as much as American Conservatives. Classism is rife in the UK, but it's also rife in America wrapped around the American Dream which as I said above means climbing over bodies to scream about how much better you are than those below you.
So far Tories claim they treasure the NHS, but the Tories are the ones who've starved it of funding in order to break it and slowly convince the UK population some forms of privatisation will do a better job of running the NHS. They're not trying to go full-America, but slowly erode and bargain off parts of the NHS.
I've posted this a few places now, but given the content in this topic, I'd like to see the day Hillary tweets this and it's believable
And yes, Bernie retweeted it
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