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Dphex · Jun 17, 2018

it is insane how many content there is...after finishing the game it seems there is "another half" to be discovered and unlocked.

if i have one criticism it´s that much of this is unlocked in the same way like Dark Souls 1 DLC: you have no idea how until you read about it. that could have been better solved. but that´s a small nitpick in an masterclass level game.

Arcus Felis · Jun 17, 2018

Oh Zote... You try my patience, but I'll listen to everything. There are actually some smidgets of wisdom in some of his precepts.

takriel · Jun 17, 2018

Any hint at where to find the capital? Apparently I need to find the smith there. Please only hints.

Arcus Felis · Jun 17, 2018

takriel said:
Any hint at where to find the capital? Apparently I need to find the smith there. Please only hints.

Well, small hint:

You may have seen some signs while exploring that have like small towers on them.

.exe · Jun 17, 2018

Oh man, I just unlocked

walljumping

And it's like a whole new game.

takriel · Jun 17, 2018

Arcus Felis said:
Well, small hint:

You may have seen some signs while exploring that have like small towers on them.

Thanks, that's a perfect hint, will keep my eyes open!

NediarPT88 · Jun 17, 2018

I'm surprised they didn't tweak the charm cost of Grubsong and Thorns of Agony in the lifeblood update. You can get both pretty early in the game and they make some tougher situations so much easier. While getting hit you recover 15% soul and your body does a thorns attack with a considerable AOE that inflicts 2x nail damage.

I used them both in my first run and doing the same again. I also appreciate how useful Gathering Swarm is (didn't use it at all the first time around), it's such a QOL improvement.

KLoWn · Jun 17, 2018

I ran into Nosk last night, and goddamn was he annoying. I dunno if it was because I haven't upgraded my nail much or because I just got worse at the game, but I can't remember him being this difficult when I beat him on pc last year.

In the end I got him though, and that sweet reward.

Thuddert · Jun 17, 2018

batosaims said:
Deepnest is fking disturbing

Only place where the bugs are legit creepy. Made me want to get out fast.

Dphex · Jun 17, 2018

KLoWn said:
I ran into Nosk last night, and goddamn was he annoying. I dunno if it was because I haven't upgraded my nail much or because I just got worse at the game, but I can't remember him being this difficult when I beat him on pc last year.

In the end I got him though, and that sweet reward.

i have read they buffed him alongside other bosses (Traitor Lord, Watcher Knight)

Creamium · Jun 17, 2018

Discovered a whole lot in this session. Got the dream nail, an extra soul vessel, more regions and got the crystal dash in the peak. And a

grub mimic

scared the hell out of me. The crystal peak is one of my favorite regions so far, loved the platforming/traps and extra challenges to get the grubs. The location and enemy variation continues to impress me.

There's a gravedigger now outside of town, but he disappears when I use the dream nail on him. Outside of that he just has some dialogue. What's the deal with him? Otherwise I ran into a bunch of dream npc's but marked those for now on the map since those are probably hard fights.

What I love about this game is that (so far) there hasn't been a single time when I run around aimlessly not having a path to explore. After the crystal peak upgrade I know there's a path in the fungal wastes for instance. I always run into something. Think I'm going to change my goty 2017 retroactively :p

Arcus Felis · Jun 17, 2018

... So... Deepnest, (one of the?) hidden area (late game):

Oh. Hello myself.

I am genuinely scared to move on. This thing is probably going to grow 8 bajillions legs and jump at me, isn't it?

I'm having Metroid Fusion flashbacks.

Aaaaand it's gone.

Nothing is scarier.

Nosgoth · Jun 17, 2018

Creamium said:
Discovered a whole lot in this session. Got the dream nail, an extra soul vessel, more regions and got the crystal dash in the peak. And a

grub mimic

scared the hell out of me. The crystal peak is one of my favorite regions so far, loved the platforming/traps and extra challenges to get the grubs. The location and enemy variation continues to impress me.

There's a gravedigger now outside of town, but he disappears when I use the dream nail on him. Outside of that he just has some dialogue. What's the deal with him? Otherwise I ran into a bunch of dream npc's but marked those for now on the map since those are probably hard fights.

What I love about this game is that (so far) there hasn't been a single time when I run around aimlessly not having a path to explore. After the crystal peak upgrade I know there's a path in the fungal wastes for instance. I always run into something. Think I'm going to change my goty 2017 retroactively :p

A way to tell the mimic apart from the real thing is to use dream nail on it, it will save you quite a few scares and life blood.

MonkeySleeve · Jun 17, 2018

Arcus Felis said:
... So... Deepnest, (one of the?) hidden area (late game):

Oh. Hello myself.

I am genuinely scared to move on. This thing is probably going to grow 8 bajillions legs and jump at me, isn't it?

I'm having Metroid Fusion flashbacks.

Aaaaand it's gone.

Nothing is scarier.

There can only be one...

hans_castorp · Jun 17, 2018

This game surely has content. I thought I had 100% explored a region, and suddenly a huge secret area appeared behind a fake wall lol

Btw one question regarding the well in the City of Tears

How can I unlock it if I already used the two keys? I managed to access the area below using the tram, but it's a huge detour...

MonkeySleeve · Jun 17, 2018

hans_castorp said:
This game surely has content. I thought I had 100% explored a region, and suddenly a huge secret area appeared behind a fake wall lol

Btw one question regarding the well in the City of Tears

How can I unlock it if I already used the two keys? I managed to access the area below using the tram, but it's a huge detour...

Better find another key then :P

Creamium · Jun 17, 2018

Nosgoth said:
A way to tell the mimic apart from the real thing is to use dream nail on it, it will save you quite a few scares and life blood.

Thanks. This game is really influenced by Souls in more ways than one. People already said that of Momodora IV, but this has way more of a Souls feel to it.

K Samedi · Jun 17, 2018

Hi there,

I bought Hollow Knight yesterday before going to bed because of all the praise it was getting. Wasnt planning on buying a game before Mario Tennis but I figured a single player game would be nice for bed play.

I must say Im impressed. This is the first indie game that really managed to pull me in like this. The enemy design and variaty are top notch and the graphics and athmosphere are on a different level compared to similar indie games. I like that there is no hand holding here. Just a map to explore and every room has its own little secrets and ideas within them. I played for 3 hours straight last night. Cant wait to explore some more tonight.

BassForever · Jun 17, 2018

ccieag said:
This game is hard. Stuck in the Waterways right now, and the difficulty spike is real. Just getting the map was an adventure. Now the boss ...

There are two bosses one of them (hanging grub rapidly spawns flying enemies) is optional

Ereineon · Jun 17, 2018

finally exploring the limits... at least i got a map already :P

Dphex · Jun 17, 2018

Creamium said:
Thanks. This game is really influenced by Souls in more ways than one. People already said that of Momodora IV, but this has way more of a Souls feel to it.

don´t know about this tbh ...it is reminiscent of Metroidvania games with all those oldschool influences. It is gamedesign that already existed 20 years ago. Dark Souls is more of an "3D Metroidvania" and harkens back on exactly that oldschool gamedesign with punishing deaths, finding the way on your own and dropping no hints where to go.

One could argue Hollow Knight is a "soulslike" game- but apart from the mechanic that you lose your currency if you fail to get it back and "vague storytelling" i feel it´s very much it´s own thing. It is much more obscure than even Dark Souls 1 was. Like "i have no fucking clue what i am doing here but i will find out...maybe".

And there is no leveling, there are no stats or different weapons, there is no blocking or iframe rolling in HK.
if anything, it captures the same "magic" feeling that Dark Souls 1 had but i really feel it is standing on its own legs somehow.

Salt and Sanctuary for example is much more influenced in Dark Souls, it could be an official 2d version of DS .-)

Creamium · Jun 17, 2018

Dphex said:
don´t know about this tbh ...it is reminiscent of Metroidvania games with all those oldschool influences. It is gamedesign that already existed 20 years ago. Dark Souls is more of an "3D Metroidvania" and harkens back on exactly that oldschool gamedesign with punishing deaths, finding the way on your own and dropping no hints where to go.

One could argue Hollow Knight is a "soulslike" game- but apart from the mechanic that you lose your currency if you fail to get it back and "vague storytelling" i feel it´s very much it´s own thing. It is much more obscure than even Dark Souls 1 was. Like "i have no fucking clue what i am doing here but i will find out...maybe".

And there is no leveling, there are no stats or different weapons, there is no blocking or iframe rolling in HK.
if anything, it captures the same "magic" feeling that Dark Souls 1 had but i really feel it is standing on its own legs somehow.

Salt and Sanctuary for example is much more influenced in Dark Souls, it could be an official 2d version of DS .-)

Oh yeah, S&S is straight up Souls in 2D, all the way down to the UI. It just has a simpler build/stat system. With HK I'm still getting Souls vibes here and there though, with everything you mentioned. But people were already saying that with Momodara and there I couldn't really see it, but here I feel there's more of a influence. But not to the same extent as S&S, that's for sure. I do think it's a bit easier to know where to go here because of the map and now I even just got

3 icons of where bosses are hiding

. In that sense I think you get a bit more help in where to go compared to Souls.

Arcus Felis · Jun 17, 2018

And done with Deepnest.

I am never going back to that place, although there are two very enigmatic places that I guess I'll need to investigate once I unlock something.

On a side note: daaaaaamn some areas are well hidden. Hollow Knight has a lot of hidden passageways, but Deepnest takes the cake. Hit. every. single. wall.

BassForever · Jun 17, 2018

I'm really getting sick of not having a double jump or the ability to go into acid pools. So many paths are off limits till I find those abilities. Was stunned that

the deepnest contained nothing but the tram ticket

TeenageFBI · Jun 17, 2018

Creamium said:
Oh yeah, S&S is straight up Souls in 2D, all the way down to the UI. It just has a simpler build/stat system. With HK I'm still getting Souls vibes here and there though, with everything you mentioned. But people were already saying that with Momodara and there I couldn't really see it

The latest Momodora wears Souls on its sleeve. The biggest changes from earlier games are all Souls-influenced:

More ambient, barely there music
Your own attacks now have a much longer wind-up
A dedicated dodge button, with i-frames
An Estus-like healing system
Mysterious NPCs hinting at plot points that are rarely spelled out for you

Cudpug · Jun 17, 2018

Dphex said:
it is insane how many content there is...after finishing the game it seems there is "another half" to be discovered and unlocked.

if i have one criticism it´s that much of this is unlocked in the same way like Dark Souls 1 DLC: you have no idea how until you read about it. that could have been better solved. but that´s a small nitpick in an masterclass level game.

Without spoilers, when you say that post-game there is 'another half', how do you mean? New areas unlocking?

Ubiblu · Jun 17, 2018

Finished earlier today with 65% completion. First time player and bought solely based on the praise. Not sure whether I prefer this or Yoku: both superb games in their own right. Not sure I'll go back for the secret bosses or anything, but a solid 9.5/10 in my books.

Dphex · Jun 17, 2018

Creamium said:
I do think it's a bit easier to know where to go here because of the map and now I even just got

3 icons of where bosses are hiding

. In that sense I think you get a bit more help in where to go compared to Souls.

yeah, you are right, the "final path" is definitely clearer in HK, didn´t thought about that. But some of the "optional" content is super hidden/vague and requires basically a guide. (Like stuff hidden behind breakable walls that leads to new content/areas)

Cudpug said:
Without spoilers, when you say that post-game there is 'another half', how do you mean? New areas unlocking?

yep, there are areas and stuff locked in obscure ways .-)

Cup O' Tea? · Jun 17, 2018

NediarPT88 said:
I used them both in my first run and doing the same again. I also appreciate how useful Gathering Swarm is (didn't use it at all the first time around), it's such a QOL improvement.

Gathering Swarm is so damn useful, I kind of wish it was an item unlock instead and didn't take up a charm notch. The game is just more fun when you don't have to go chasing your geo.

Dphex · Jun 17, 2018

on a sidenote: i really would like to see a Cuphead/Hollow Knight collab, i think the two fit well together .-) like a shooting section in Hollow Knight or a labyrinthine section in Cuphead .-)

Richardi · Jun 17, 2018

TeenageFBI said:
The latest Momodora wears Souls on its sleeve. The biggest changes from earlier games are all Souls-influenced:

More ambient, barely there music
Your own attacks now have a much longer wind-up
A dedicated dodge button, with i-frames
An Estus-like healing system
Mysterious NPCs hinting at plot points that are rarely spelled out for you

Reverie or you mean the 3D one? That hasn't been released yet right?

Cudpug · Jun 17, 2018

Dphex said:
yeah, you are right, the "final path" is definitely clearer in HK, didn´t thought about that. But some of the "optional" content is super hidden/vague and requires basically a guide. (Like stuff hidden behind breakable walls that leads to new content/areas)

yep, there are areas and stuff locked in obscure ways .-)

I think this might be one of the most impressive games I've ever played.

Z-Brownie · Jun 17, 2018

The game is amazing, thanks Era for the suggestion, but dear lord, i am getting my ass kicked by the 3 mantis bosses.

TeenageFBI · Jun 17, 2018

Richardi said:
Reverie or you mean the 3D one? That hasn't been released yet right?

Reverie. I don't know much about the upcoming game besides the fact that it's in 3D.

Arcus Felis · Jun 17, 2018

Done Queen's Garden:

Cloth... A true heroine.
Also genuinely surprised to meet the actual Queen, alive and kickin'. This also answer a lot of questions I had regarding Hornet, especially after Deepnest.

Deleted member 10737 · Jun 17, 2018

man, this game keeps surprising me by how amazing it is. just finished doing the dark areas now that i have the lamp, and finished deepnest.

Clerical Terrors · Jun 17, 2018

The real fear factor in Deepnest is realizing you have to go back in later and that the whole area essentially has no benches.

DekuBleep · Jun 17, 2018

How close to the end is City of T?

Feral · Jun 17, 2018

Doctoglethorpe said:
Mantis lords, some dude in the sewers that burrows, and a mini boss in the library. Haven't found anywhere else I can go without abilities I don't have.

you could also purchase the lantern. Or

explore the area shortly before you fought the second boss more carefully

Ausroachman · Jun 17, 2018

I've put about 5 hrs in this weekend and this is probably the best 2d metroidvania I have ever played .

Just love the sense of exploration , I mentioned earlier I was totally lost but once I found the boss it all clicked . I'm now in deep in the greenfield area without a map lol.

One thing it said was I can buy maps and the store but I see no store in dirtmouth. I have 2 stores , 1 that sells keys and 1 that sells pins / badges .

Dascu · Jun 17, 2018

TeenageFBI said:
Reverie. I don't know much about the upcoming game besides the fact that it's in 3D.

Well, the developer changed it from full third-person to a sidescroller with 3D models.

Deleted member 10737 · Jun 17, 2018

Ausroachman said:
One thing it said was I can buy maps and the store but I see no store in dirtmouth. I have 2 stores , 1 that sells keys and 1 that sells pins / badges .

the woman who runs the badge shop is the wife of the guy who sells map. if you beat an area's boss without getting the map, the map guy moves on, and you can buy the map from his wife.

Aprikurt · Jun 17, 2018

This is the most gorgeous game I've played in a long time. Not enough games use a hand-drawn art style. I know that's because it's so much more tiresome to implement, but wow does it pay off for this game. I don't want to play it handheld because I want it all blown up beautiful on my screen.

KLoWn · Jun 17, 2018

Arcus Felis said:
Done Queen's Garden:

Cloth... A true heroine.

Yup, she's badass.

On my first playthrough she actually survived that fight and was hanging around Dirthmouth afterwards.

Arcus Felis · Jun 17, 2018

DekuBleep said:
How close to the end is City of T?

To put it bluntly:

That's just the start.

SmittyWerbenManJensen · Jun 17, 2018

BassForever said:
I'm really getting sick of not having a double jump or the ability to go into acid pools. So many paths are off limits till I find those abilities. Was stunned that

the deepnest contained nothing but the tram ticket

What's funny is that I found both of those abilities before I even found Deepnest. Kinda incredible how two different people can go through the game in such a different way. Only advice I can give is to go through the Crystal Peak area

Deleted member 10737 · Jun 17, 2018

crystal peaks question:

am is supposed to be able to pass the fast press thingies, or should i come back later?

BassForever said:
Was stunned that

the deepnest contained nothing but the tram ticket

there's definitely more in that area. do you have the lamp?

BassForever · Jun 17, 2018

SmittyWerbenManJensen said:
What's funny is that I found both of those abilities before I even found Deepnest. Kinda incredible how two different people can go through the game in such a different way. Only advice I can give is to go through the Crystal Peak area

I think I know where I haven't gone there (across the pit that you fall down to get to the resting area) so I guess I'll trek back there this morning. I'm pretty sure that's the only spot on the map I haven't fully explored unless I'm horribly blind.

mazi said:
crystal peaks question:

am is supposed to be able to pass the fast press thingies, or should i come back later?

there's definitely more in that area. do you have the lamp?

If you have the normal dash you can get past them

There was an optional boss that gave me a health or soul upgrade, and of course the main story thing. There is one or two other things of note but afaik I can't do anything with them right now (mask maker, hungry wall person)

xGeneral Ice · Jun 17, 2018

Nori Chan said:
Are there collectables? If there are, can they be unobtainable after a certain point in game?

And do I have to get them all in one run before I finish the game?

Anyone?

Feral · Jun 17, 2018

Nori Chan said:
Anyone?

I don't know if the completion rate is affected by the sellable items but I'm fairly sure the only thing you can miss in the game are the earlier endings

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