Hong Kong Airport cancel all flight due to protester gathering due to police and govt action [UP: Second day of protests]

vehn

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Let's say the bill is scrapped (highly unlikely at this point as it's matter of Beijing projecting their power and backing down is literally impossible for them), it'll still come into effect in 2047 when China takes full control of HK.

Enjoy HK though, it's an amazing place! I've had some of the best dim sum in the world there, can't wait to get back out and have me some goose feet!!
We'd only be there for 10-15 years, then back to US to retire. Id like force us to move out by 2047 if we had to wait that long. Don't have much of an interest in living with how China is currently
 

Dyle

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Very inspiring but also incredibly frightening. As these things escalate it becomes more and more clear that Beijing's response is going to escalate in response and I doubt the people of Hong Kong will prevail in the end
 

Commedieu

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In all sympathy I have for them, I hope it doesn't affect my flight in two weeks. I'm flying over Hong Kong to see my gf after 4 months so every day I can spend undelayed with her is precious.
In all sympathy I have for them, I hope it doesn't affect my flight in two weeks. I'm flying over Hong Kong to see my gf after 4 months so every day I can spend undelayed with her is precious.
Wow.
 

anexanhume

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Two main reason why this protest is at the airport

One is to support the person hit by police bullet and is possible blinded.

Second reason is to put pressure on Cathaway Pacific Airline and CEO Rupert Hogg in published email threaten staff with termination or other for participating in "illega protest", when at first was saying they support staff right to free speech, but after a talking to from China FAA, CEO change statement, so now the public is forcing him to choose a side.
Or specifically hurting their wallet.

Here is expert from Email of Cathway Pacific CEO Rupert Hogg
Also has a huge economic impact to the region as a whole. Makes it a lot harder to ignore them.
 
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SilentPanda

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Very inspiring but also incredibly frightening. As these things escalate it becomes more and more clear that Beijing's response is going to escalate in response and I doubt the people of Hong Kong will prevail in the end
Ccp hasnt done anything yet, except try and change the narrative that it is riot by bad people or foreign government, Which some western news medira are repeting, all the violence so far are feom Hong Kong police and government

Hk police using violent tactic and even hiring and joining triad white shirt to hirt people, and now multiple police officer have been caught pretending to be protester starting fire and other to "force" police to esculate to come in to arrest people.

But each time, the police response that is esculation, the bigger the protest become.

But although HK politician, and Police and CCP government keep on saying one thing, and their net army is trolling not just HK news site, but also Taiwan, Japan and other forum(Not just news, but game and other too)

The CCP probabely don't know what the actual response will be if they use military,
Tiananmen Square wasn't that easy, it almost resulted in a civil war in China with military force facing each other ready to shoot, and in the current economic status, I don't think the CCP is willing to risk another Tiananmen Square.

Also has a huge economic impact to the region as a whole. Makes it a lot harder to ignore them.
And Cathway Pacific like to "pride" itself as a Hong Kong success story, so if you pride yourself to be Hong Kong, then you stand with Hong Kong is what today at the airport is also about.
 

photonblack

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Oct 27, 2017
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Rights are shat on a massive scale right now in the US and when some people decided to protest and in doing so stopped some traffic, all I saw was the majority complaining about how some slow traffic was an inconvenience and how those people should protest 'properly.' When people protested against the police, all I saw was condemnation and people taking the police's side because a few were injured or because a few shops and cars were damaged.

I think you underestimate just how important order is to most people.
I was here for that and i’m from the US I know how racism can manifest. And what gives me some kind of hope is the current open conversation on white supremacy we seem to be having right now. A lot of millennials are assuming power and are more aware of how the system works, how far reaching it is and how everything is connected to it. No matter who gets elected there will be large scale protests I think. Systemic change take time and organization. The US has a lot more to do because business has so much power but we need to see that our divisions race class etc. are a only a tactic for dividing the working class from all races so we don’t band together.
 
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SilentPanda

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Also has a huge economic impact to the region as a whole. Makes it a lot harder to ignore them.
What are they saying?

Few days ago I had a very blatant Chinese state propaganda mouthpiece video show up in my YouTube feed for some reason. Never clicked it.
Generally~
Praising the CCP, and police action, talk about protester in deragotary term such as HK dog or other similiar term
Threat that the CCP army military might will come in and kill everyone and that kind of varation
And generally trying to drown out support or other and fill it only with their own message.

But general term and tone is similiar to FPS gamer talking mean.
 

nature boy

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What are they saying?

Few days ago I had a very blatant Chinese state propaganda mouthpiece video show up in my YouTube feed for some reason. Never clicked it.
These are from CCTV's twitter feed (plus what SilentPanda said, I don't speak Mandarin/Cantonese but I'm guessing the propaganda is even more intense in those languages):
Hong Kong rebels have been inciting youths nearly two months, among them was the notorious traitor Jimmy Lai. While saying "democracy and freedom", he acts as a running dog for the U.S. at the expense of Hong Kong people.

Trying to restore peace of the city, policemen in Hong Kong consistently hold on their position coping with the unrest caused by protesters. In order to support the police, celebrities express their attitude.

Local residents in HK sent a cartoon to police station, which portraits a local policeman named Lau Sir. His eyes were injured during a riot when protesters assulted him. But Lau is still working on the frontlines as he tries to bring calm to the city.

Say no to riots! Say no to evil! Say no to "Hong Kong indepedence"! Residents express their willingness to safeguard the rule of law and ensure prosperity and stability in Hong Kong with a song.

Who is inciting Hong Kong youths? Jimmy Lai, the founder of the Apple Daily and media group Next Digital, is one of those behind the scene, who, together with the U.S., is supporting the well-organized protests and provoking the riots at the expense of HongKong people.
Hits all the propaganda classics

It's the US/CIA, Taiwan is sending money, this could collapse HK's economy and people lose jobs, they hit every note except Mainland China and the CCP
 
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nature boy

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Solidarity with HK, can only see the response from Beijing getting even more violent.

WIsh there was something the UK could do but they're pretty powerless.
China can't afford a Tiananmen style intervention (or anything similar) in Hong Kong, it would destroy HK as a financial capital.

My guess is they will withdraw the extradition bill for the time being to avoid further disruption and bring it up again at a later time
 

lazygecko

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If China were smart about it they could start comparing them to Antifa and BLM as an attempt to muddy the waters. I've already seen some pretty hilarious cognitive dissonance to that effect among American right wingers as they start to notice the analogies between the HK protests and similar disruptive protests that have occured recently in the US.
 

ConanEd

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China can't afford a Tiananmen style intervention (or anything similar) in Hong Kong, it would destroy HK as a financial capital.

My guess is they will withdraw the extradition bill for the time being to avoid further disruption and bring it up again at a later time
CCP don't need to kill anybody, just send a bunch of kids to "vocational school" for some time and HKers will fold. Just look at literally what happen in Kashmir now. Just do what India do in Kashmir now. Nobody even talking about it,
 

aznpxdd

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CCP don't need to kill anybody, just send a bunch of kids to "vocational school" for some time and HKers will fold. Just look at literally what happen in Kashmir now. Just do what India do in Kashmir now. Nobody even talking about it,
HK is literally one of the most important cities in the world, China doesn't want to do anything drastic to spook foreign companies. Kashmir, Xinjiang or Tibet are not Hong Kong.
 

ConanEd

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HK is literally one of the most important cities in the world, China doesn't want to do anything drastic to spook foreign companies. Kashmir, Xinjiang or Tibet are not Hong Kong.
All I am saying is they don't need to kill anybody to get people under control. Just make it clear that police force will not get any repercussion from the HK government.
 
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CCP don't need to kill anybody, just send a bunch of kids to "vocational school" for some time and HKers will fold. Just look at literally what happen in Kashmir now. Just do what India do in Kashmir now. Nobody even talking about it,
Why did you think the situation keep on esculating?

The first protest in June was only kids and university student, police action and later working with Triad has now made it an issue that has been esculating with protester that age range from 15~70, due to police violence toward kids, and the 5 demand include police accountability and release of all protester arrested so far.
 

MilesQ

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I was here for that and i’m from the US I know how racism can manifest. And what gives me some kind of hope is the current open conversation on white supremacy we seem to be having right now. A lot of millennials are assuming power and are more aware of how the system works, how far reaching it is and how everything is connected to it. No matter who gets elected there will be large scale protests I think. Systemic change take time and organization. The US has a lot more to do because business has so much power but we need to see that our divisions race class etc. are a only a tactic for dividing the working class from all races so we don’t band together.
I hope you're right. I guess it's easier to be cynical than hopeful.

Lmao. People won't do an uprising because of 'laws' 🤔, fuck off
US still has torture/concentration camps on it soil, where was the uprising and constant protests?

What I saw was people applying for permits to protest and making excuses for why they couldn't do anything. Hell, they had a national holiday and they didn't use it to do mass protests across the country against those camps.

You can tell me to fuck off, but you're ultimately lashing out at the wrong person, you should look at the inaction of people and their unwillingness to do anything that might be considered a risk. The folks in HK, the yellow vests in France, these are the exceptions, not the rule.
 

Minilla

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I hope you're right. I guess it's easier to be cynical than hopeful.



US still has torture/concentration camps on it soil, where was the uprising and constant protests?

What I saw was people applying for permits to protest and making excuses for why they couldn't do anything. Hell, they had a national holiday and they didn't use it to do mass protests across the country against those camps.

You can tell me to fuck off, but you're ultimately lashing out at the wrong person, you should look at the inaction of people and their unwillingness to do anything that might be considered a risk. The folks in HK, the yellow vests in France, these are the exceptions, not the rule.
US has those camps etc cos the people aren't willing to do fuck all about it.
 

linkman26

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Oct 28, 2017
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Now I'm really getting worried.

I booked a flight to go there in early November and it will be my first time traveling there. But with these protests going on in the city and now at the airport, I'm wondering if I should just outright cancel the trip altogether. :(
 
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ConanEd

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Why did you think the situation keep on esculating?

The first protest in June was only kids and university student, police action and later working with Triad has now made it an issue that has been esculating with protester that age range from 15~70, due to police violence toward kids, and the 5 demand include police accountability and release of all protester arrested so far.
The protest has gone on so far because both sides are putting more chips on the table. Right now the protesters are like betting roulette in a casino. Eventually casual betters will run out of money to bet against the house. And IMO it has gone on so long because certain Hong Kongers have overestimated their leverage and hand of cards.
 
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SilentPanda

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About 60 medical personal(Nurse, doctor, etc) did a silent protest against police brutality

Hong Kong Police chief second in command?(Not sure what his position is in English)
Had a interesting statement
If we put officer with accusation(Civilion or other accuse officer of misdoing) off active duty, then over half of the force would be not active duty.
 

photonblack

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I hope you're right. I guess it's easier to be cynical than hopeful.



US still has torture/concentration camps on it soil, where was the uprising and constant protests?

What I saw was people applying for permits to protest and making excuses for why they couldn't do anything. Hell, they had a national holiday and they didn't use it to do mass protests across the country against those camps.

You can tell me to fuck off, but you're ultimately lashing out at the wrong person, you should look at the inaction of people and their unwillingness to do anything that might be considered a risk. The folks in HK, the yellow vests in France, these are the exceptions, not the rule.
Look up the protest of jews against the camps in Amazon NYC yesterday. Solidarity is happening you just have to look for it.
 

Chikor

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No, the bill is still possible to be reinstated, it is only postponed/Under discussion, what one of the five demand are is to have it to be gone and not possible to be reinstated.
All bills are possible to be re-instated in the future.
Is the demand that Hong Kong's basic law be amendment to prohibit the passing of any extradition bill with he mainland?
Is that even a desired outcome?
At some point you're gonna have to sort that shit out.
 
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SilentPanda

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All bills are possible to be re-instated in the future.
Is the demand that Hong Kong's basic law be amendment to prohibit the passing of any extradition bill with he mainland?
Is that even a desired outcome?
At some point you're gonna have to sort that shit out.
That's why there's the 5 demand that's already been stated.
 

Dekuman

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It's a shame the Brits gave Hong Kong up without firmer guarantees from the Chinese.

Should have been turned into an independent principality ala Singapore

What a tragedy.
 

Chikor

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That's why there's the 5 demand that's already been stated.
Yeah, but amending the constitution is not in those demands.
Carrie Lam can resign and you can fire the entire HK police department and expunge everyone's record and still the bill is still gonna possible to be reinstated, just as it is right now.
 

Snake Eater

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In all sympathy I have for them, I hope it doesn't affect my flight in two weeks. I'm flying over Hong Kong to see my gf after 4 months so every day I can spend undelayed with her is precious.
In all my sympathy for them... my pointless flight lol

Sorry about your GF, but that’s not the same thing
 

Bear

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I know two people who just traveled through this airport in the past two days... both just made it out ahead of this.
 

firehawk12

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It's a shame the Brits gave Hong Kong up without firmer guarantees from the Chinese.

Should have been turned into an independent principality ala Singapore

What a tragedy.
Singapore happened because Malaysia didn’t want them though. It’s one of those weird things where racism help set a city free.
 

CaptSpaulding

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I feel like the CCP is still trying to let the local HK govt try to resolve this...i mean to be honest if the CCP really wanted to shut this down they can easily do it in so many ways they don't even need violence...for example threaten to open the borders completely so ordinary Chinese citizens can go live in HK without any permit...the riots will be over in a day.
 

leder

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I’m impressed they’ve managed to sustain the protests for this long. We need more people like these brave HKers everywhere.
 

Jie Li

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Singapore happened because Malaysia didn’t want them though. It’s one of those weird things where racism help set a city free.
Not to mention Singapore is militarily defensible and it has a British navay base. Every tiny ass city state in the 20th century (like Barhrain) has a foreign military base. Thats what keep tiny ass city states remain autonomy.

Its hard to explian this fact to Hong Kongers who don't learn geopolitic in their schools.
 

Dekuman

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Not to mention Singapore is militarily defensible and it has a British navay base. Every tiny ass city state in the 20th century (like Barhrain) has a foreign military base. Thats what keep tiny ass city states remain autonomy.

Its hard to explian this fact to Hong Kongers who don't learn geopolitic in their schools.
Unless China wanted to be nuked Hong Kong was defensible in 1997. Point is the Brits gave it away to one of the worst regimes in history for a pittance and almost no consideration of its citizens right to self determination
 

thepotatoman

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And this is all without any official leadership. Makes me think maybe the Occupy Wall Street critique of horizontal leadership is overrated.
 

Chikor

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Unless China wanted to be nuked Hong Kong was defensible in 1997. Point is the Brits gave it away to one of the worst regimes in history for a pittance and almost no consideration of its citizens right to self determination
I don't know what military forces you think the UK had in Hong Kong, but it's literally impossible to imagine a scenario where the UK would've been able to win a defensive land war against China in HK.
And in any case, The issue wasn't Hong Kong, it was always the new territories.
 

zoggy

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Now I'm really getting worried.

I booked a flight to go there in early November and it will be my first time traveling there. But with these protests going on in the city and now at the airport, I'm wondering if I should just outright cancel the trip altogether. :(
My thoughts and prayers are with you dog
 

CaptSpaulding

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HK is my favorite place in the world and I feel for all the HKers, but this movement really has zero chance of getting anywhere.

At least in Tianamen, the protestors were fighting for democracy for all of China. The HK protesters are fighting only for HK. There is zero sympathy for them among the general Chinese populace right now.

And HK has always been regarded as a privileged place, and HKers has a history of looking down on mainland people. It's as if in Alita the people of Zalem started complaining and protesting, do you think would any of the people living on the garbage surface would care?