I don't think he did anything of what he said. My point was show that sometimes people look past the artist if they enjoy the art. Which is relevant to this thread.
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How did Chris Brown and R. Kelly "get away with it"?
- Thread starter AnansiThePersona
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They didn't get away with anything. Chris's career to a big hit after the news of the assault came out. And R. Kelly isn't nearly as big as he was before the pee tape scandal came out.
I remember the arguments that were happening back in HS about it, shit made my blood boil.
You mean these guys abusing women is some how the same as rick ross becasue he wasnt really a big drug kingpin? I don't see the logic of comparing them at all and I don't see your point. You're basically comparing artist that did really fucked up things to an artist who you question the merits of authenticity of their music.
Yeah, people say "hip hop culture" is sexist in some ways, and sure, but music in general is still moreso imo.
I understand there obviously different situations but my point stays the same. People look past artists authenticity, behaviours, and beliefs if they like the music. Whether it's bullshit or not.
Come on man, even the very first post of the topic offers a valid comparison.
They got away with some serious shit.
But generally I think people are simply forgetting how little our society cared about sexual assault prior to #metoo
No, there's sexism everywhere. Even in other male fronted genres. Just listen to some early Fall Out Boy. They were basically calling young girls whores, saying they wouldn't piss on them if they were on fire and advocating suicide.
Then like I said you have folks like Trump and the sycophants he surrounds himself with.
While I do think black victims don't get nearly the same play in the media as white victims I don't think that's the root of this. I think in the music industry people just get away with things much more than other industries like film or television. You think #MeToo isn't happening in music? Please. Shit is probably rampant.
It's not because the victims were black that they got away with it. I mean plenty of white men abused women and got away with it just ask Trump. It's more that some of these famous people have as much ardent lovers as they do haters. So it's not just something where they will vanish into the dark because at the end of the day lots of people still support them through their evil deeds.
Only niggas who are like...real niggas anymore are 21, Dolph, Keef(to his detriment), Gotti, and maybe a couple others
The others either died, got rich enough, or gave it up
Difference too is that Taylor Swift would've destroyed him. She would have been way more proactive than Rihanna was.
I think that's part of the problem too, at lot of the victims don't pursue things to the max, look at the girl that just got throw around by that nba rapper, she's already posting videos making excuses for him, saying that that's just the way the play around. Yup, I'm sure getting body slammed on the floor is just for laughs.
As much as I don't like Chris, he didn't object the charges and went to jail. Now you can say he didn't spend as much time as he should.
Agree that both their careers took a hit,as someone else said Brown was kinda the black Beiber before he threw it away by beating Riri. Kelly is still around doing collabs and what not but also went from top to like... mid-tier. It's crazy that they both are still around though. I don't know anyone who says they like Chris Brown but low and behold his music keeps coming out.
Even more so I thought Brown would do image shift to being an absolute good boy to save himself or something but hes still doing videos about women and partying.
Even more so I thought Brown would do image shift to being an absolute good boy to save himself or something but hes still doing videos about women and partying.
"Turn around, bitch, I got a use for you/ Besides, you ain't got nothing better to do/ And I'm bored."
Guns N Roses - It's So Easy
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And this:
Johnny Cash — "Cocaine Blues"
"The judge he smiled as he picked up his pen/ 99 years in the Folsom pen/ 99 years underneath that ground/ I can't forget the day I shot that bad bitch down/ Come on you gotta' listen to unto me/ Lay off that whiskey, let that cocaine be."
Then you have my favorite band, The Killers. This song is basically about the lead singer taking his girlfriend to a show, and killing her, but most people don't catch it.
Then you have another one from The Killers' frontman that's basically about watching his crush through the window before breaking into her house and butchering her:
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Shit is everywhere, man. You can do some research and find more on your own. Whether you think all of this is crappy is totally irrelevant. Sexism is prevalent in every genre.
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Say whatever you want about him/her but damm man, he beat that girl. And that defense was still strong lol.
This and the Russell Simmons accusations have always driven me nuts. In general, how the music industry as a whole has avoided more exposure is baffling.
Because it involves women of color, particularly black women and it frustrates me to know that no one gives a shit. As soon as the Bill Cosby accusers went forward people were calling Bill Cosby, Pill Cosby, but when you talk about Chris Brown or R. Kelly, people will continue to make bullshit excuses. Fuck Chris Brown and R. Kelly.
Tyson was ill-advised, for sure. It took a special group of outrageous and legendary vibrant personalities to motivate young Tyson and keep him in the right frame of mind. Tough/straight-forwards guys with heart like D'amato, Atlas, Rooney, and Jacobs. His behavior around women was everyone's biggest fear, and after all the people who cared about tyson were removed, his behavior was escalating worse and worse. I believe her account of what happened was not really in debate much at the time, but I may have been mislead by sensationalist documentary makers on that. They framed it as if the question came down to "when does consent end?" If Ms. Washington agrees to do A, does she not have the right to refuse B or C? Would an average man in Mike's shoes have done the same?
Of course, I don't know for sure what happened. I, too, feel like a competent local attorney with a background in these kind of cases could have gotten him reduced charges or sentencing. But regardless, his behavior with women was getting out of control and it was only a matter of time before he got pinched for his behavior. There were a ton of women from that time who had stories that today would be a much bigger deal on their own, so I'm inclined to believe Ms. Washington's account. But, I don't know for sure.
It's not a hip-hop thing for sexism
Especially since the two people this topic is about were R&B singers
I had to look it up again but the accusation that she had made a false rape claim in the past hadn't been discovered until after Tyson's conviction though again competent representation with specialization in rape cases would've been very aggressive in digging into her past to find anything and everything to undermine her credibility. I think it's entirely possible she consented to one thing but then on Tyson's own admission of liking rough sex it turned into something she wasn't okay with and he ignored it, which would still be classified as rape though probably not in Tyson's mind given the attitudes of such things then. But yeah, even if he was totally innocent in this case it probably wouldn't be long before something else happened.
http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=19930227&slug=1687682
Indeed. He raps (and freestyles) better than a lot of rappers.
https://youtu.be/vQdL6XROV90?t=30s
Joyner Lucas & Chris Brown - Stranger Things
I'm not a huge Lil Dicky fan, but I can't believe he made his most recent song with Chris Brown.
And going through the comments on that page... I didn't see any comments about how fucked up Chris Brown is. Makes me so frustrated.
And going through the comments on that page... I didn't see any comments about how fucked up Chris Brown is. Makes me so frustrated.
There is fair bit of evidence to suggest that Jackson was not guilty and that he was being extorted.
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I noticed Chris Brown shifted from a kind of loverboy RnB angel into being more of a gangster bad boy image around the time he beat Rihanna. Out of necessity, I thought... but it worked. Hip-hop loves a bad boy G, or at least sure did a decade ago. Plenty of fans willing to look past a lot if you're playing the naughtiness up as cool.
Uh, this guy is a gator and a hardcore Trump supporter, I wouldnt share his content.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOOBlcOIcLs
Yikes, thanks for the heads up. Link removed. Video does have valid points however.
I think due to sexism and our patriarchal society are a *lot* of women who make excuses for men to the detriment of women, my wife is like that, her friends are like that, I don't get it. They will be the first to say people saying Me Too are looking for money or somehow asked for it. It sucks how often I hear that sentiment and as a man I can say I disagree with it and why but I don't think it's my place to try to "correct" a woman.
I agree with so much of what you say here on Era but I have to disagree here. I think it's due to a young fanbase "forgiving" him.
In some respects, I agree, but when you look at it, he's had multiple albums go platinum after the beating, and arguably his three most successful singles of his entire career (Yeah Yeah Yeah, Loyal, Look At Me Now) came afterwards, including multiple smash #1 hits, pretty much everybody in the industry still works with him aside from like Jay (who never worked with him), Rihanna forgave him, etc.
He "got away" with it and came out of it all with more notoriety. This all depends on what you think of his plea deal, but if we're not talking what's on legal documents exclusively, pretty much everything he's done post-breakup with Karreuche gives me reason to believe there's still a dangerous dude out there.
Famous artist getting exonerated by his fanbase, and this wonders you why?
Hell we live in a world where even Boston Marathon bombers have fangirls, for crying out loud.
People are just batshit crazy.
Chris Brown did get away with it because as talented as Chris Brown is, he should have become the next Michael Jackson or the male Beyonce. His career took a mega-hit to where yeah he's still a superstar but not like he used to be. It's crazy thinking about that time because I remember those numerous "the next MJ" comments, Brown was fucking everywhere and then that shit happened. Rihanna blew up and Brown took that hit but he somehow stayed alive due to the situation and his talent. Man had a 3 disc album people are still talking about.
And what's wilder is that Chris kept being in the headlines years later. You couldn't escape Chris Brown news for like the next 8 years.
And what's wilder is that Chris kept being in the headlines years later. You couldn't escape Chris Brown news for like the next 8 years.