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"I left Insomniac Games because of how they treat women" Ex-Employee speaks out
- Thread starter XaviConcept
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I really, really, REALLY hope this story isn't forgotten and that Insomniac makes this right. Absolutely vile behavior.
New allegations
Uhh, in that thread:
This is illegal. Anti-poaching agreements like this are considered violations of anti-trust. There have been numerous lawsuits and DOJ enforcement actions against tech firms for doing exactly this. Apple, Google, eBay, Pixar, Adobe, Intel, a lot of companies got sued and had to pay significant damages for exactly this behavior.
This is illegal. Anti-poaching agreements like this are considered violations of anti-trust. There have been numerous lawsuits and DOJ enforcement actions against tech firms for doing exactly this. Apple, Google, eBay, Pixar, Adobe, Intel, a lot of companies got sued and had to pay significant damages for exactly this behavior.
This is awful. Basically blacklisting people from the industry so other victims of abuse wouldn't speak out.
Not a surprise Naughty Dog would get caught up in shitty practices but Insomniac actually seemed like a good place to work. Guess not.
What the fuck am I reading? Really? God damn you insomniac. It's always the places you least expect that leave your jaw on the floor.
Jesus Christ that anti-poaching handshake agreement is a special kind of manipulation. Effectively set up to intimidate people into not dissenting or risk getting blacklisted from the industry.
Fuck Insomniac, and fuck the studios who took part in it like Naughty Dog.
Fuck Insomniac, and fuck the studios who took part in it like Naughty Dog.
"or nearby studios", oh-oh there is something to dig for Shreier here : bluff or not you cannot threat someone like this, especially during a contractual agreement.
Yep, new info, new thread.
This is pretty terrible though. I encountered similar contracts and agreements in the past, but first of all they're often illegal, and second even when they aren't they usually have short timeframes, and it's mainly to protect industrial secrets. What harm would Naughty Dog have from an ex-Insomniac dev? What secrets or trusted info would a person bring over from one Sony-related studio to another (back then Insomniac was not owned by Sony, which makes it worse)?
Crazy. This industry is so rotten. Really hope this gets called out as it needs to be and we're not gonna close an eye on it because it's talented studios we're talking about.
Apple and Google got caught doing this shit a few years back too
Apple, Google agree to settle lawsuit alleging hiring conspiracy
Four major tech companies including Apple and Google have agreed to settle a lawsuit accusing them of conspiring to hold down salaries in Silicon Valley, just weeks before a high profile trial had been scheduled to begin.
www.reuters.com
Time for a new suit to emerge if this still goes on
Doubt it. Wait for the new spider-man game to come out, this whole problem will be chucked out the window to make room for praising the game and company.
You think gamers care how women are treated in gaming?
All you need is to look at twitter and you will have your answer.
I'm constantly reminded by them how I don't belong playing games.
You think gamers care how women are treated in gaming?
All you need is to look at twitter and you will have your answer.
I'm constantly reminded by them how I don't belong playing games.
How stupid can this peopel be?
It is 2020...
As a developer fuck all these people. This fucking industry can be total shit for the frontline workers sometimes be it in games or just general tech development.
Shit like this makes my blood boil, fuck Insomniac.
And fuck ND too.
I been in gaming communities since 2014, and I lost any hope that gamers will have care how toxic the gaming community is towards women a long time ago.
Even here most that pretend to care are just some wierd fanboys that use this mostly to attack some publisher they don't like, and hoping the one they do never appear mention in here.
Gamers care more about some stupid pudles or some grass on a shield that they will ever care for how women are threated in gaming.
Btw last time I posted here I said people will stop caring about this in 3 days. I was wrong. Didn't even lasted 24 hrs until people stop caring.
Why is RS banned?
Anyway, I can definitely understand and sympathize with your situation, same thoughts would have crossed my mind... which is why it's super important to keep pushing.
Is that really the case? These things are all over the IT consultancy world that the company you are consulting with can't hire you away from the company you are consulting for, at least without consent or compensation. Insomniac and Naughty Dog weren't just two game companies, they had some kind of partnership where they frequently shared tech which would imply that folks at ND worked with folks at Insomniac, so I'm not sure this falls in line with the type of anti-poaching practice you are discussing.
The original tweets from Sol are a year old, while Cory only commented today but yeah you're probably right.
Jesus, these tweets are all from June 2020 and I completely missed that this happened. Shame on Insomniac and it's leadership and thank you for making this thread, they're so strong for telling their story. But if we don't/didn't have a thread on this then we should reboot this about their story and not focus on a popular game director from another studio responding to it over a year later imo because it's important for people to be aware of and more respectful
edit: thank you mods for combining the threads
edit: thank you mods for combining the threads
The original allegations are from last year and there was a thread/discussion about it:
"I left Insomniac Games because of how they treat women" Ex-Employee speaks out
Follow the thread here Some excerpts: Worth pointing out that Edgar was eventually fired. Read the thread for the rest. Awful stuff and even more shocking that the behavior came from a member of the HR team. We need to do better.
www.resetera.com
Surely this is the story, not that Cory commented :(
Very sad to see things don't appear to have changed, but also not very surprising as the original response from Insomniac to this was basically: sorry not sorry.
And with the Ubisoft news too. The industry really needs to take a hard look at itself.
Very sad to see things don't appear to have changed, but also not very surprising as the original response from Insomniac to this was basically: sorry not sorry.
And with the Ubisoft news too. The industry really needs to take a hard look at itself.
We should continue to keep holding Insomniac's feet to the fire on this but I fear once the brand new Spidey trailer drops people would miraculously forget. Much like the Ubi stuff, smh.
people already miracolously forgot. This thread is a year old.
Bump, bump bump. Gotta keep it at the top so people are aware. This shit cannot happen. We all need to get together to help everyone be aware of this.
Oh people are aware alright, IG are the industry darling though so people just chose to ignore.
*raises hand*
Thread/allegation feels familiar to me, but I didn't remember this at all. If anything, I'd started to see Insomniac as one of the "good ones," in that their work environment seemed less horrific than most other AAA studios.
Damn.
