If you think Ellie gets no character development, you frankly didn't pay attention to the game.
Like, at all.
Like, at all.
IGN: How The Last of Us Remains a Masterpiece 5 Years Later
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Gameplay wise the game didn't offer anything new and there was nothing special about it. For that reason alone I cannot class this game as a masterpiece.
The tone and feeling of the combat is inspired by the hotel sequence from No Country, not the story trappings.
Forced escort sections? 95% of the whole game has a companion with you
One of my favourite games of all time. Naughty Dog are the masters of creating compelling characters, I love many things about The Last of Us (and Uncharted) but that's the thing that really makes their games stand out above the rest for me. Also probably the best ending to a video game ever. It almost makes me not want Part II but I trust ND implicitly.
Bioshock hit the backlash machine within a month or two after launch because
1) Everyone agreed the combat bogged down the game and it clearly overstayed its welcome
2) One of the major reasons it was getting hyped was a twist ending which, if you're at all in tune with sci-fi, could have called within the first five minutes of the game when the concept of parallel universes was introduced/and or time travel.
I would say BioShock is one of the rare cases where the backlash is deserved.
Which game before seamlessly melded stealth, survival and action in a unique infected scenario the way that TLOU did?
It was a pretty major achievement for video game presentation and it's clear a lot of Sony's studios have taken heavy cues from the game especially when you look at Days Gone (another zombie game) and God of War (a much more slower paced and intimate dad game), but personally I thought the story wasn't all that interesting and the game play was only really serviceable. Every time I try to come back to the game and give it another shake to see if my opinion has changed the only thing that really sticks out to me as consistently amazing is the presentation and performances.
What? I'm talking about how ridiculous the notion is that you're comparing opinions about videogames to the (largely fabricated, by the way. Look it up) idea that people used to think the earth was flat.
Best game i ever played.
Still the benchmark for story driven action games.
God Of War was amazing but didnt come close to what TLoU achieved.
I dont think TLoU2 will be able to best its predecessor but if any game can it would be TLoU2.
Still the benchmark for story driven action games.
God Of War was amazing but didnt come close to what TLoU achieved.
I dont think TLoU2 will be able to best its predecessor but if any game can it would be TLoU2.
And melded that gameplay style seamlessly into a still thriving multiplayer as well. I wouldn't have thought that crafting and hearing vision would still work so well in online play.
I'm a bit confused, what are you trying to say with these posts, that in future the opinion on God of War will sour, or that it already has? Outside of a very vocal minority, clearly the overwhelming opinion on God of War is highly positive and has been since launch.
Metacritic 94 / User score 9.2 (7th highest of all time)
Amazon.com user rating 4.7/5
Amazon.com user rating 4.8/5
Also, I don't see how adopting systems or focuses prevalent in other games should automatically impair the perception and quality of a game. Does Breath of the Wild suck because it adopted open world game design, with collectathon elements or Ubi towers? Of course not. Likewise, would you say Halo Infinite or Gears 5 should be privy to automatic negative sentiment and criticism if they also adopted open world, or more open, narrative-focused, or RPG like elements? Or do you think it's more the implementation and execution of said elements that matters, not the very inclusion itself?
At the end of the day, no game out there plays like God of War, so whether it is an amalgamation of popular mechanics found in a wide range of different genres, or not, ultimately the final product as a whole is still unique and exceptionally well executed in pretty much all aspects, hence the reception and critical acclaim.
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I've replayed UC recently I was pretty bored by the encounters(it is the simplest cover shooter in its core), the repeated "oooh that was close moments" and the same climbing sequences again and again. Oh there is a switch on the other side, have fun climbing. Oh you want to see whats up there? Have fun climbing.
It's not that I didn't enjoy UC1-3 when they came out but I for myself can't enjoy that formula anymore today. To me, the TLoU formula feels a bit more fresh and dynamic, even though it has the same problems with the repeating ladder puzzles. But this is complaining at a high level, though.
This. Make a video like that when the game makes 10 years and we are in PS5/Xbox Two
But this is just marketing for Part II so who vares
Not a masterpiece. Maybe Sony/Naughty Dog's best game but better then Ocarina of time, Alttp, Super Mario world, morrowind, chrono trigger, FF8, or Torment? Um, no.
Literally every year on the internet flocks of gamers call a game the GOAT. Last year BOTW, this year God of War. Next year will be another "masterpiece". Its all hyperbolic.
TLOU is not a masterpiece. Its just good.
Literally every year on the internet flocks of gamers call a game the GOAT. Last year BOTW, this year God of War. Next year will be another "masterpiece". Its all hyperbolic.
TLOU is not a masterpiece. Its just good.
I don't think so, Straley doesn't even work at Naughty Dog anymore.
It's all subjective at the end of the day, Perhaps you just have more old-fashioned or antiquated taste? It's clear that these days a large subset of gamers increasingly value different sorts of experiences, with different levels of polish, emotional resonance, impact, gameplay, story, characters etc than they did decades ago.
It is completely baffling how many people in this thread just don't know what the word "masterpiece" means or entails. Seriously, go buy a dictionary, people.
TLOU doesn't have to be better than any of those games to be considered a masterpiece.
And I find it to be better than half of those games you listed, yet it has to be better than all of them to be even considered a masterpiece? TLOU isn't from last year either, talk about hyperbole.
You can easily tell nostalgia plays an abnormally large role for some to be honest.
I absolutely love this game and it's in my top 10 of all time personally. It seems like Part 2 is going to improve on a great deal of the criticisms levelled at the first game gameplay wise but as for story, that's the big wait and see!
While melee was quite basic it had a good feel of impact along with firing your guns, it felt like every move you make matters. Sneaking around and picking off a group of scavengers one by one in the hotel was impressive, I accidently managed to do a run that was similar to the E3 2012 demo, was using people as shields and Ellie backing me up when I needed it.
It's also probably the only video game in the last 20 years to have an ending that my brother actually liked, so that counts for something.
Here are what I honestly think were flaws that ND are likely to improve upon:
- Female human enemies (Already confirmed, it was a criticism in this game)
- Stepping on pallets and ladder moments to slow down the pace. Obviously have exploration/puzzle moments to relax but it became a running gag towards the end.
- AI hitches like reacting in odd ways in combat to be exploited. That's going to be the big test for Naughty Dog as it's hard to 'show' without accusations of faking it.
- Clicker moments. I like them but more casual or less stealth minded players would often get frustrated and not in a challenging way thanks to them.
While melee was quite basic it had a good feel of impact along with firing your guns, it felt like every move you make matters. Sneaking around and picking off a group of scavengers one by one in the hotel was impressive, I accidently managed to do a run that was similar to the E3 2012 demo, was using people as shields and Ellie backing me up when I needed it.
It's also probably the only video game in the last 20 years to have an ending that my brother actually liked, so that counts for something.
Here are what I honestly think were flaws that ND are likely to improve upon:
- Female human enemies (Already confirmed, it was a criticism in this game)
- Stepping on pallets and ladder moments to slow down the pace. Obviously have exploration/puzzle moments to relax but it became a running gag towards the end.
- AI hitches like reacting in odd ways in combat to be exploited. That's going to be the big test for Naughty Dog as it's hard to 'show' without accusations of faking it.
- Clicker moments. I like them but more casual or less stealth minded players would often get frustrated and not in a challenging way thanks to them.
Love this statement, and I agree wholeheartedly. I was thinking about it, and that's how I feel about God of War as well. The pieces of these games are not necessarily new to their genres, but they are done SO well.
Weren't those bascially interactive loading screens? From what I remember what was told, game loading was heavy when starting and for the rest of the game hidden in cutscenes and pallet/ladder moments. I agree that they need some more variety next time though when it comes to ladders and pallets. Uncharted TLL showed some improvements in that regard.
This sums up The Last of Us rather nicely. Even if you didn't mean that way.
This is a good post. People mockingly use "Citizen Kane of..." without understanding why the movie was unique for its medium. I'd argue that the last "Citizen Kane of gaming" might be Half Life 1, a game that took this established perspective and form of gameplay and break the mold of what was possible with it (narrative/storytelling and cinematic-minded presentation, using the perspective to place the player in a character's shoes, melding story and gameplay rather than dividing the two) and influenced the medium forever.
The Last of Us is build with quality, but it really is just a sum of many parts other people did better (including Naughty Dog them self).
It didn't help, that the game broke apart many times in my first playthrough (i did things, the game didn't encountered for and it created buggy situations), which cheapen the experience. I didn't like the story flow and ending, which felt forced and i felt forced playing a murdering lunatic.
So i see it as overrated in an overall critical and personal aspect, but i still can understand, why many people love it.
It didn't help, that the game broke apart many times in my first playthrough (i did things, the game didn't encountered for and it created buggy situations), which cheapen the experience. I didn't like the story flow and ending, which felt forced and i felt forced playing a murdering lunatic.
So i see it as overrated in an overall critical and personal aspect, but i still can understand, why many people love it.
This.
It's the biggest case I've felt of "what am I missing?" from any game I've played.
I played it at launch, and felt it was ok, I'd struggle to say much more about it.
i love the game. i was super hyped for it and still enjoy playing it after all this time. can't wait for the sequel.
The comments in this thread are something else.
You don't have to consider something to be great for something to great.
You don't have to consider something to be great for something to great.
I played the remaster last week, because of the E3 gameplay trailer. I liked it even more than the first time on PS3. A really good game. Timeless in many ways. The crucial moments during the journey turned my stomach over, even though, I already knew what would happen. I'm really curious to see if ND can go even further with Part II.
Yeah this thread is an indication that ppl still think it's one of the best games they ever played.
I've never seen ppl change their opinion of it.
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