IGN retracts large portion of RE2 review and updates score after it becomes clear their reviewer missed a large chunk of the game.

[Izanagi89]

There are other people in this thread saying that there are no A/B scenarios in this game though. He claims the part he missed also has little new content.

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I was watching Skill Up's 100% spoiler free review and he states the A and B scenarios differ vastly, and used Nier Automata as an example where RE2 makes more significant changes the second time around opposed to Nier's multiple playthroughs (between 2B and 9S). He does say that when you replay the game for the 3rd and 4th time then there aren't that many changes. So I'm confused by the whole thing. To me it does sound like the A and B scenario differ vastly from each other.

 

[Anubis]

It was nib's icon.

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Ah touche, now I remember.

 

[molnizzle]

the game completion screen says what a second run is and notes that there are changes to the story.

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It notes that "the ending and certain parts" of the game are different.

What parts? Why would I think these would be substantial changes? They call it "new game (2nd run)," I'm thinking typical NG+ with different enemy placement and a different ending cutscene. Nothing about that wording makes me think "I need to play that." It sounds like filler content to make a single player game seem longer.

 

[Khrol]

Yeah, same. Why did they call it "new game (2nd run)" if it's supposed to be an entirely different thing?

I would've skipped right past it as well if I didn't know any better. What a stupid way to word something.

"The ending and certain parts of the game" being different sounds like filler content that I typically ignore.

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Yeah couldn't agree more. I'd totally just press A while checking my phone or something.

 

[Xenosaga]

Well apparently this is what you see when you finish your first run:

I guess he missed that as well?

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yeah the game really tells you right in your face and the reviewer missed it?

 

[Amauri14]

Pathetic. And are they really just going to bump it two decimals and call it a day without even finishing the other half? I'm not saying that it doesn't deserve a nine, but I expect the reviewer to at least finish the whole campaign of the game before giving it a score.

 

[Deleted member 9317]

Is it though? 0.2% of the game?



This.

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By your math, Resident Evil 2 should get 17.6/10.

 

[Conan]

I was watching Skill Up's 100% spoiler free review and he states the A and B scenarios differ vastly, and used Nier Automata as an example where RE2 makes more significant changes the second time around opposed to Nier's multiple playthroughs (between 2B and 9S). He does say that when you replay the game for the 3rd and 4th time then there aren't that many changes. So I'm confused by the whole thing. To me it does sound like the A and B scenario differ vastly from each other.

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If there is that big of a difference I wonder why he would still claim "there is very little new in it". If he is just doing that to downplay the mistake and continuing to misinform people that is pretty disgraceful.

 

[nib95]

Well apparently this is what you see when you finish your first run:

I guess he missed that as well?

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Is this pre or post credits? And does it show show if you skip the credits? Either way, seems like he either didn't finish it or was rushing and skipping screens or something at the end.

 

[Neonep]

Crazy how IGN missed on this one. Lets keep a close eye for how they handle KH3 & DMC5.

 

[ItIsOkBro]

Well apparently this is what you see when you finish your first run:

I guess he missed that as well?

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his job is the write not to read

 

[okcoolmax]

I've never played the game, are there any major differences between the two playthoughs or is it more like Nier Automata where you are 90% on the same path and just get different Story insights?

 

[Manu]

It notes that "the ending and certain parts" of the game are different.

What parts? Why would I think these would be substantial changes? They call it "new game (2nd run)," I'm thinking typical NG+ with different enemy placement and a different ending cutscene. Nothing about that wording makes me think "I need to play that." It sounds like filler content to make a single player game seem longer.

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Yeah couldn't agree more. I'd totally just press A while checking my phone or something.

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That's on you, not the game.

The original game just took you to a save screen asking you whether you wanted to save, and selecting "yes" created a savefile with the other character's name that said "B"

AND YET PEOPLE 20 YEARS AGO DIDN'T HAVE A PROBLEM FIGURING OUT WHAT IT DID

 

[Velikost]

To be fair, these guys probably never thought their site would make it past the early 2000's; I definitely didn't.

 

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[Monster Zero]

I consider different weapons, the true final boss, and the true ending to be a big difference.

 

[ak1287]

Yeah couldn't agree more. I'd totally just press A while checking my phone or something.

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I mean. You're also not doing this on a professional basis.

his job is the write not to read

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I would assume this is sarcasm. But with this site I don't even know anymore.

 

[Blade Wolf]

I consider different weapons, the true final boss, and the true ending to be a big difference.

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Not if you're people trying to defend IGN and make it all seem like it's just a little mistake.

 

[Inuhanyou]

hilarious....

 

[lvl 99 Pixel]

I don't know how useful metacritic would have been in this case, because the problem is in the text, granted metacritic can provide you a link to other reviews to read but no one goes to metacritic to read words.

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I do, I will usually read one of the more positive and one thats not so positive from the site

 

[Magyscar]

Is this pre or post credits? And does it show show if you skip the credits? Either way, seems like he either didn't finish it or was rushing and skipping screens or something at the end.

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Couldn't tell you but I would assume it would be after the credits and the results screen. Typically in other RE games skipping credits wouldn't skip this stuff.

 

[ShinNL]

Okay, are people really not connecting the dots here? He obviously didn't finish his first play through.

 

[Ste]

I think daemon Hatfield is a great guy and this very easy to do mistake has absolutely no bearing on my opinion on either him or ign. I definitely had no idea that 2nd run or whatever capcom have called it is the scenario swap and if it wasn't for him messing up id of had to read about it by searching for it on here.

 

[Blade Wolf]

Okay, are people really not connecting the dots here? He obviously didn't finish his first play through.

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We have no evidence but I agree that's very likely the case.

That's on you, not the game.

The original game just took you to a save screen asking you whether you wanted to save, and selecting "yes" created a savefile with the other character's name that said "B"

AND YET PEOPLE 20 YEARS AGO DIDN'T HAVE A PROBLEM FIGURING OUT WHAT IT DID

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This, people need to stop defending stupidity.

 

[Tfritz]

I've never played the game, are there any major differences between the two playthoughs or is it more like Nier Automata where you are 90% on the same path and just get different Story insights?

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The 98 version is similar to but less than Nier Automata. Automata's B Path recontextualizes a lot and gives you a completely different method of interacting with the game, but not so much here, but there's enough that it's a different experience.

(It's worth noting that the 2019 version incorporates the B path's biggest addition into the base campaigns...)

 

[Deleted member 18944]

Reviews are a part of journalistic criticism and have been forever.

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Reviews and criticism are two different things.

 

[Izanagi89]

If there is that big of a difference I wonder why he would still claim "there is very little new in it". If he is just doing that to downplay the mistake and continuing to misinform people that is pretty disgraceful.

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Which is exaclty what's confusing to me. Hell even in the original, the story changes alone made a big difference...so I don't know. Don't wanna add any more fuel to the flame but it just seems weird.

 

[nib95]

Not if you're people trying to defend IGN and make it all seem like it's just a little mistake.

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But it is just a mistake. It isn't about defending IGN either, it's about clarifying that everyone makes mistakes, and what matters is how fast you correct them, which IGN did, almost immediately.

 

[Beck]

So I haven't played 2nd Run for Leon, but i've done the standard campaign for Leon and Claire, along with Claire 2nd Run.

Outside of some ammo differences (as you're given another handgun right away) and an extra fight at the end, Claire 2nd Run is essentially the same game after the first hour as her regular campaign. The two main differences in the first hour are:

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You don't meet Marvin and Mr. X is stalking you as you're collecting the medallions.

Outside of that, her campaign is the same as her regular campaign, which deviates from Leon's regular campaign at the Parking Garage (although a lot of the areas are very similar) and becomes very close to the same in the last area (there are changes, but you're doing the same puzzle solving as Leon).

 

[Gilver]

Crazy how IGN missed on this one. Lets keep a close eye for how they handle KH3 & DMC5.

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I expect controversy for these 2 games for sure. Harder games to review.

 

[Prolepro]

Why do you assume that I did not make a reply in good faith? I was commenting on how I must have missed the class where journalism and reviews are in the same broad definition of games journalism, because they aren't. You then told me that I was being too formal(?)

Don't come to this forum to make a point, have it disputed, and then play the "lets discuss your tone" game. Reviews aren't journalistic. Many commenters believe that it is. How would I know? Well it just so happens I'm someone who writes the news AND reviews games and I read a lot of comments about it, so saying people don't get it confused is disingenuous.

Take the L and move on.

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"Take the L because I corrected you from a defensive position on the terrain of setting a definition that no one made and act like I was trying to teach you something."

Ok, guy.

 

[Blade Wolf]

But it is just a mistake. It isn't about defending IGN either, it's about clarifying that everyone makes mistakes, and what matters is how fast you correct them, which IGN did, almost immediately.

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My problem is that they didn't even bother actually playing the B route they missed to correct the old scores.

They literally just go: ''Oops I guess we missed that, how about we change it to a 9 now? Is that cool?''

What if the B route content (lots of new content here too) made him like the game even more? Perhaps it could have got a 9.5/10, they didn't even bother giving it another shot, they literally didn't bother with their mistakes except changing the numbers slightly based on literally nothing.

 

[Khrol]

So I haven't played 2nd Run for Leon, but i've done the standard campaign for Leon and Claire, along with Claire 2nd Run.

Outside of some ammo differences (as you're given another handgun right away) and an extra fight at the end, Claire 2nd Run is essentially the same game after the first hour as her regular campaign. The two main differences in the first hour are:

Spoiler

You don't meet Marvin and Mr. X is stalking you as you're collecting the medallions.

Outside of that, her campaign is the same as her regular campaign, which deviates from Leon's regular campaign at the Parking Garage (although a lot of the areas are very similar) and becomes very close to the same in the last area (there are changes, but you're doing the same puzzle solving as Leon).

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That sounds like Resident Evil 2 alright

 

[Maximo]

his job is the write not to read

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[Mgs2master2]

Okay, are people really not connecting the dots here? He obviously didn't finish his first play through.

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was thinking this and/or he didn't even bother playing through second run after being called out.

 

[Monster Zero]

So I haven't played 2nd Run for Leon, but i've done the standard campaign for Leon and Claire, along with Claire 2nd Run.

Outside of some ammo differences (as you're given another handgun right away) and an extra fight at the end, Claire 2nd Run is essentially the same game after the first hour as her regular campaign. The two main differences in the first hour are:

Spoiler

You don't meet Marvin and Mr. X is stalking you as you're collecting the medallions.

Outside of that, her campaign is the same as her regular campaign, which deviates from Leon's regular campaign at the Parking Garage (although a lot of the areas are very similar) and becomes very close to the same in the last area (there are changes, but you're doing the same puzzle solving as Leon).

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Is the handgun the only new weapon you got in the 2nd run? Was Claire's 2nd run ending different from her 1st run?

 

[Mahonay]

IGN, truly the pillar of integrity in gaming journalism.

 

[Noog]

I'm so confused about the same things Daemon is confused about and after a few texts with my friend who got the game early and reading this entire thread, I'm still confused.

It seems that Daemon is right now that even if you do the second proper play through it's the same game with a different story, slightly different puzzles and a different ending?

 

[Aztechnology]

I saw this on twitter but it seems pretty clear

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Ok, going to be honest. "New Game [2nd Run]. REALLY isn't the right way to say part B.

Still, a bit embarassing.

 

[thisismadness]

Which is exaclty what's confusing to me. Hell even in the original, the story changes alone made a big difference...so I don't know. Don't wanna add any more fuel to the flame but it just seems weird.

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Yeah, without seeing the content myself its impossible to say. However, reading other impressions around here and reddit it sounds like the combination of playing the other campaign with the 2nd run changes makes the whole thing feel very different. So if you screwed up and played two 1st run campaigns like this reviewer did then maybe it wouldn't feel as fresh.

 

[deepFlaw]

Love to see people whining about the God Hand review in 2019.

Just let it go already. It has nothing to do with this.

 

[nib95]

My problem is that they didn't even bother actually playing the B route they missed to correct the old scores.

They literally just go: ''Oops I guess we missed that, how about we change it to a 9 now? Is that cool?''

What if the B route content (lots of new content here too) made him like the game even more? Perhaps it could have got a 9.5/10, they didn't even bother giving it another shot, they literally didn't bother with their mistakes except changing the numbers slightly based on literally nothing.

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Except none of what you said is true. From the review.

"Having now played Leon's 2nd Game, I'm still disappointed that there's only marginally more new things to see and do there."

It just sounds like the second run doesn't actually add that much new content. A few people in here including another journalist have confirmed the same.

 

[Tfritz]

I'm so confused about the same things Daemon is confused about and after a few texts with my friend who got the game early and reading this entire thread, I'm still confused.

It seems that Daemon is right now that even if you do the second proper play through it's the same game with a different story, slightly different puzzles and a different ending?

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That would seem to be the case, yes.

 

[Blade Wolf]

Ok, going to be honest. "New Game [2nd Run]. REALLY isn't the right way to say part B.

Still, a bit embarassing.

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What about this:

Well apparently this is what you see when you finish your first run:

I guess he missed that as well?

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[kurahador]

Crazy how IGN missed on this one. Lets keep a close eye for how they handle KH3 & DMC5.

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DMC5 with that auto-combo thing is already an issue with the demo build lol.

For KH3, I'm guessing keyblade swapping will be important to execute combos and IGN will misses it.

 

[Izanagi89]

Yeah, without seeing the content myself its impossible to say. However, reading other impressions around here and reddit it sounds like the combination of playing the other campaign with the 2nd run changes makes the whole thing feel very different. So if you screwed up and played two 1st run campaigns like this reviewer did then maybe it wouldn't feel as fresh.

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Yup! That's the impression I'm getting. Playing Leon A and Claire A won't give the same feeling....It's just weird as to how that happened. I know the wording on UI is confusing sure, but there's a whole other option for a "new" run.

 

[Blade Wolf]

Love to see people whining about the God Hand review in 2019.

Just let it go already. It has nothing to do with this.

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It's okay to remind people how shit IGN is.

This is to prevent people from thinking that it's all just a tiny mistake and IGN is much better than this, they are not.

 

[Tfritz]

DMC5 with that auto-combo thing is already an issue with the demo build lol.

For KH3, I'm guessing keyblade swapping will be important to execute combos and IGN will misses it.

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It's really weird that you're thinking of ways you want IGN reviewers to screw up and I feel like you should reflect on why that is.

 

[spam musubi]

I've never played the game, are there any major differences between the two playthoughs or is it more like Nier Automata where you are 90% on the same path and just get different Story insights?

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You didn't play past the B-story in Nier Automata did you

 

[Smelck]

Seems to me , despite the glaring error , that CAPCOM could have clearly labelled this better than New Game (2nd run) ....

Maybe chapters / perspectives ? I dunno.....still can't wait to play :)