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Impeachment |OT|
- Thread starter Kaitos
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It clearly is a stain on him, but if the question is whether this will turn conservatives against the man, then that was never going to happen.
Republicans are galvanized every time they tune into Fox News. It takes very little effort to achieve that and the Democrats might as well throw in the towel if the concern is whether an action that they take will be spun negatively against them by right wing media to galvanize their base. Because the answer will be yes. Every time.
His supporters are always galvanized anyway. And even if there's no consequences it'll always bother him that it happened to him. Who knows what this will drive him to do.
Not happening because the sooner this is in the Senate, the sooner Mitch and his Trump loyalists can push through a not guilty verdict.
Might as well just gone full Hulkster and continued on with "...take your vitamins, believe in yourself, and say the N word."
I know if this goes to the Senate, it's going to get buried fast so I hope by the GOP senators doing that, it'll lead to a fall of dominoes for them.
It's going to demonstrate with zero ambiguity that the entirety of the GOP has hitched their wagon to Trump, a man who is wildly incompetent and obviously a criminal. You might say that they have already repeatedly proven that they are Trump's party, but this will be the most definitive evidence of it - An albatross around their necks forever.
This is the GOP being given an out and refusing to take it. If the democrats are smart (oh god...) this will be front and center in every attack ad from now until November.
All I've been hearing is he won't be allowing any. So how is that decided?
All you "senate will acquit" people are annoying as fuck
why would we do ever the senates work for them and not impeach
y'all can't think
why would we do ever the senates work for them and not impeach
y'all can't think
To those saying that "impeachment will have no effect" should realize it's not the fault of the dems that the senate has a predetermined conclusion regarding the evidence and refuse to hold a fair trial and call witnesses; it's extremely brazen corruption. This can possibly play out against the republicans, if they pull too hard without showing any semblance of fairness. Independents and republicans that sit on the line are turnable. The hardcore Trump base though is lost, and will never change their minds.
This is what i'm thinking. Whats the point if it has zero consequences?
That's certainly my opinion as well, but you will find we are in the minority. Most believe this will somehow change minds or at least be a rallying cry of the Democrats, but in reality, the best outcome is that it rallys both sides. The more likely reality is that is rallys the Republicans more than the Democrats and it comes back to bite them in the ass next year.
When he's not removed from office, it will be seen by his deepest supporters as validation, and a certain subset of people will not see the farce for what it is and will just assume he's innocent and will support him believing him to be honestly vindicated.
We're not dealing with political majors here...we're dealing with common folk who don't follow or even understand all the intricacies of their own government. The optics of this matter and his inevitable "not guilty" will be seen by a fair many as "right"...and those are the people that will make the difference in an election. Not the far left; not the far right; those in the middle who can and will be swayed.
The hope is that this will seriously hinder his chances of reelection. And that democrats can say they did the right thing even though the senate would not.
Impeach the motherfucker.
I want that asterisk next to his status to dig deep into his soul. Dems will have all the opportunities to call him 'impeached president'.
I want that asterisk next to his status to dig deep into his soul. Dems will have all the opportunities to call him 'impeached president'.
So what? He's still getting his ass impeached. He'll hate this for the remainder of his life and it'll be a black mark on his shitty administration
Folks: It was either impeach him for let him get away with it. The "point" is to charge him with wrongdoing.
Ya know, I've been thinking...
With there still being nearly a year until the next election this surely won't be the last flagrantly impeachable offense this doofus will commit. What happens if in a few months another massive bombshell drops? What is the remedy or solution Congress can use on an already impeached president?
With there still being nearly a year until the next election this surely won't be the last flagrantly impeachable offense this doofus will commit. What happens if in a few months another massive bombshell drops? What is the remedy or solution Congress can use on an already impeached president?
Even if this rallies both sides of the political debate, isn't more people voting in general a good thing? Getting a more accurate representation of what Americans truly want is a good indicator of whether or not your personal values are compatible with today's sociopolitical landscape.
Dems can say they tried and blame the Republicans to let him get away with it.
If the Democrats don't do anything it would show that they don't care or are complicit with what's happening.
Also it could make more difficult for Trump to try to do it again in the next elections.
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Bingo. The president did something illegal. Should the house just sit by and do nothing? No. They're doing their jobs.
Plus it will eat Trump up inside.
To publicly show his crimes, appease the liberal base, place a historic black mark on his legacy along with a big mark for election, and officially tie defending senators to a historically unpopular president .
It's also makes it easier to mock Trump supporters, because the clear and cut corruption behind the reason he's being impeached, is a very good mark against them. A lot of is indeed to do with principal. A nice principal fuck you.
This all or nothing mentality some of y'all have is ridiculous.
it's like y'all don't realize that out of 3 branches of government that democrats only have 0.5 of a branch, and republicans have 2.5 branches.
the cards are stacked against the Dems, it's a wonder they're even getting the impeachment today.
it's like y'all don't realize that out of 3 branches of government that democrats only have 0.5 of a branch, and republicans have 2.5 branches.
the cards are stacked against the Dems, it's a wonder they're even getting the impeachment today.
I see we already got the why should we charge the president who comitted blatant crimes part early.
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Yes i can believe it... and prayed for it even before he became president
It's been shown time and again that Trump's base will be the same size, galvanized or not.
The 2020 election will be decided by Independents, and very few in the middle will believe Trump is innocent here. Congress has a duty to impeach him for his crimes.
If you subscribe to this line of thought then Dems should just not bother investigating anything and letting all conduct slide until he leaves office.
It's certainly nauseating.
Indeed. In fact, why even show up to their job? It's not like Trump and the GOP will ever sign what policy they draft, so ultimately nothing is done and therefore the attempt isn't even worth it, right? Because only obvious and tangible outcomes are worth pursuing and not optics, right?
Why do anything if it doesn't solve everything? Why can't everybody see how wise I am for imparting such wisdom?
The racist bastards in my life will die suckling his teets so pretending that things matter is stupid and that makes me smart. Just go with it like I do.
The racist bastards in my life will die suckling his teets so pretending that things matter is stupid and that makes me smart. Just go with it like I do.
During Bill Clinton's impeachment, his approval ratings hit an all-time high of 73%.
Even though a large majority of the country thought Clinton's impeachment was bullshit, that still didn't galvanize the country enough to give Democrats a majority in Congress or vote in big enough numbers to put a Democrat in the Oval Office. Republicans got the White House, and with the deciding vote of the VP, control of both houses of Congress.
Impeachment is a stain. It wears people out. It's like talking to someone with bad breath. Whoever they are, you're not mad when the conversation is over.