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Insider: "Xbox Anaconda aims to be the clearly better performing device" compared to PS5
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It wouldn't surprise me, but to reiterate on another thread about console power it's the games that matter. Xbox need to use their new exclusive studios to kick some arse. Power isa bragging right, but nothing that's going to dramatically affect sales. Xbox knows this.
Sony have got many established beloved IP's, it's not going to be easy for Xbox to compete here. We'll see. I expect most of Xbox's eggs will go into the Gamepass basket, saying " yes you have those exclusives, but you can stream our exclusives for this low price from day one on Xbox or PC". In it's current state, can PSNow compete with Xbox or Stadia? Xbox might not beat Sony when it comes to hardware sales, they know they won't, but a bunch of subscribers all paying a nominal fee per month will be more important to them.
Sony have got many established beloved IP's, it's not going to be easy for Xbox to compete here. We'll see. I expect most of Xbox's eggs will go into the Gamepass basket, saying " yes you have those exclusives, but you can stream our exclusives for this low price from day one on Xbox or PC". In it's current state, can PSNow compete with Xbox or Stadia? Xbox might not beat Sony when it comes to hardware sales, they know they won't, but a bunch of subscribers all paying a nominal fee per month will be more important to them.
Their competitiveness was a lot lower before xbox 360 launched too though, while sony came from the ps2. There's too many variables
https://youtu.be/m1l2OLHse1M
At the 17 minute mark of Brad Sams latest video he gives a decent explanation of why MS can be confident of a better performing box. Maybe as part of the contract, AMD had to guarantee the better performing chip without having to say anything about PS5's performance goal?
At the 17 minute mark of Brad Sams latest video he gives a decent explanation of why MS can be confident of a better performing box. Maybe as part of the contract, AMD had to guarantee the better performing chip without having to say anything about PS5's performance goal?
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Are you really comparing the PS2 gen to this one ?
Things are much different now comapre to PS2 days .
If anything it become harder for gens to start anew because of all the new factors at play .
Quotes from his video: "I can almost guaraante they knew each other specs", "I bet MS could go to AMD and request for having the better chip...", "MS is a huge AMD partner". Sounds legit.
The extent to which they've helped rebuild the brand is entirely debatable. I don't think anyone could argue that Game Pass isn't great value, and that BC isn't a great thing, but how much have these things really actually helped?
Sales wise the console is still in a slump and far behind both competitors. Step outside on the Era enthusiast bubble, and the system is still often the butt of jokes all over social media because of a lack of quality exclusives. Meme videos, posts etc about the lack of quality games versus the competition are overwhelmingly numerous and have garnered countless views. Prominent Xbox centric YouTubers have moved away from the Xbox after decades of support, ragging on the systems poor first party showing versus the competition as the key reason why.
Confidence in the platform among many is at an all time low. What was the last Xbox exclusive that actually had a real shot at being a GOTY candidate, or even being up there with wins? BC, GP etc, these are great additives, but in real world terms they're just that, side dishes, whilst quality tentpole games and exclusives remain the meat and potatoes, hence sales are the way they are.
Just compare the Xbox One's 'brand rebuild' to the PS3's. The PS3's comeback (bolstered by strong first party releases) actually had tangible and real world sales ramifications, to the point where the console started a genuine sales claw back and ended up going on to sell 90m consoles, unlike the Xbox One that might be lucky to end on 55m and shows no real world sign of any major growth or sales claw back.
I think if Gears 5 and Halo Infinite end up being critical darlings and highly successful, the narrative might change, but right now it almost seems like Microsoft are being compelled to push things like GP and BC because of a lack of a prominent first party line up or releases, not in spite of them.
Mind you this isn't to say the Xbox Two can't be a huge success. As we've seen in the past, mindshare and marketshare can switch or change between platforms dependant on a multitude of factors.
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No one knows for sure what's going on next gen.
With all major players on play like google, Amazon, Apple, MS , Sony, Nintendo etc.
No one knows how the market will be. Everything is up there. Stating something as fact NOW is just stupid.
To be fair he's not talking about sales as if that's the only thing that matters. He's saying he's struggling to see what evidence there is of an improved brand, and sales is a part of that.
I'm just so excited we get to talk about the next gen finally. Been almost a full decade since new consoles. Give me a good reason to jump ship from PC gaming back to consoles..
A voice of reason! I'm an Xbox guy. I like their services better. And honestly, it doesn't matter to me if it's more powerful than a Playstation or not. I'm just glad we can all game on the platform of our choice and have a good time. :)
And what prevents Sony from also requesting having the better chip? Aren't they also a huge AMD partner? Again, more delusional talking from this brad dude lmao
They know exactly what hardware each is using, especially given that they both seem to be getting roughly the same parts from AMD. But things like exactly what speed they're going to clock things at, exactly how many GB of RAM, etc, they don't know what they themselves are eventually going to settle on, let alone what their competitors will. They know a general range based on the parts they have selected, but given that they're on roughly the same parts, I don't think either could be 100% confident they have the edge at the moment.
It all comes down to money. If Microsoft is willing to pay, they will have the better hardware.
Have you read this thread? Both sides are not better than that.
This is the framing that people are attracted to, because the simplest and most appealing thought process people can have when prognosticating is to model symmetrical relationships.
If Xbox was the perceived "winner" of this generation of hardware, that would cause everyone to assume that Playstation would hold the advantage for the upcoming one. This simple assumption fits nicely into an easily understood narrative of a "back and forth tug-of-war" battle that could be used to, ineffectively in my view, substitute a proper analysis of the circumstances with an uncomplicated but faulty model for industry predictions.
I think two things are certain, history will not repeat itself in a perfectly opposite but symmetrical way (it almost never does in any aspect of life), and forces that determine the shape of the major changes of the future are currently unknown and will take everyone, including the experts, by surprise. I highly recommend reading The Black Swan, a book that goes into great detail about this phenomenon.
I think some patterns are resilient, though, and will largely hold true in the next variations of Playstation and Xbox. I think the two will largely be the same machine with the same graphical capability, just as they always have. I believe Playstation will have a natural advantage in Japan and Europe, and in North America the market will be much more competitive as per usual. I think the forces that will potentially affect major changes to the status quo are streaming services such as Stadia and whichever platform is able to secure exclusivity or market dominance for those kinds of games that come out of nowhere and surprise everyone, like Minecraft and Fortnite did.
Shower thought: what if the two SKUs are designed with single-household use in mind?
IE: If you have the "big" model, buying the "small" model for separate rooms gives it the same functionality as the "big" model, as long as they're on the same network.
Or is that pretty much a given?
IE: If you have the "big" model, buying the "small" model for separate rooms gives it the same functionality as the "big" model, as long as they're on the same network.
Or is that pretty much a given?
Yea, it sounds like complete fan fiction. AMD is going to pull favors for the customer that they sold 50 million less units to. Real smart business sense.
MS is a much bigger company than Sony and has potentially more to offer in terms of partnerships. All those Azure server farms could be running on AMD CPUs...
Why would that be a given? What's the precedent for that?
If anything, platform holders will just allow more streaming from a console to existing devices; smart TVs, phones, PCs.
There may eventually be the "streaming box" version that plays games off the cloud, but I doubt they'll lead with that as an option, and I don't think the purpose will be, "The one for your other rooms."
AMD's partnership with Microsoft is huge to the point Lisa Su brought Phil Spencer on stage to talk about how big their partnership was at CES earlier this year. This goes bigger than just consoles. They talked cloud gaming and cloud servers. By saying "50m less units" sounds like you're saying Microsoft doesn't have as much influence or they are small time compared to Sony. That's just arrogance (or fanboyism) on your part.
That's a very interesting analysis. I'll definitely have to check out black swan when I get the chance.
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MS is large AMD customer as well. AMD will be providing GPUs to MS's largest business, Azure.
MS and Sony are both going to work with the tech AMD has available for next year. Where things deviate is where they want to customize the silicon and what can they do within a price point.
All Brad is echoing is what he's hearing from his MS contacts. He has a good track record for MS leaks so it's worth listening to what he says though like any insider not just releasing an official white paper, take what he says with a grain of salt because it could be off slightly from what's actually happening.
I believe it because, lets be honest, the xbox one was a mess of a launch. Under powered compared to the ps4, $100 more because of an accessory no one wanted. They won't make the mistake again. Hell I can see the new console being cheaper at that the ps5 at launch.
I disagree. So instead of giving developers a clean slate next gen jump where they can go ham in game design Microsoft will shackle them to a lower spec machine that has to be able to run all games?
They would still be targeting a lower end spec for pc regardless if lockhart existed or not.
This post doesn't make any sense at all. How will a lower specced console hold them back? It's almost like you are completely unaware of the PC gaming market where hardware specs differ massively per person. That one guy with a GTX 770 isn't holding back the Metro devs from implementing nice tech which can take advantage of an RTX 2080 ti.
There are things that need to be able to run on all machines, that's why you see ever increasing minimum spec requirements even for PC.
Having a higher baseline is always better for the possibilities in game design.
I agree.....but leaving threads like this open are kinda a trend for some reason on Era.
You're still not making sense. Unless the lower end Xbox is using a completely different architecture and hardware there won't be any problems for these devs. The Xbox One didn't hold back the scope of games like RDR2, it's literally identical to every other version of the game with the only difference being resolution. They didn't cut assets like they did with the PS3 version of the original RDR for example where the PS3 version was completely missing foliage compared to the 360 version.
You said you did not understand why people brought up skipping Xbox for PC and why the same narrative is not the same for other consoles. The reason is my last sentence in that post. If you own a good PC and is comfortable playing games on it there is literally no good reason outside if you would need another PC otherwise to play Xbox games on their console.
This is not the same for Nintendo and Sony and why I said what I did. If you got a good PC you still can't play any of Sony or Nintendo's consoles.
AMD could not sign a contract with such stipulation without simultaneously breaking its confidentiality agreement with Sony.
Absurd.
If you're developing for pc you're already targeting lower specs.
MS and most third parties are doing this. So the existence of a lower end console makes no difference because it would be held back regardless.
Yip, you nailed it. The NextBox's are a failure before they've even been revealed. Theres nothing this forum needs more than more armchair analysts and armchair developers that offer real life analysis and insight.
For the first few years of next gen gen your PS5 is going to be shackled to the PS4, are you buying one at launch?
Yes "if" you have a good PC, where you're previous posts made it sound like it applies to all gamers.
Yeah this is ridiculous, giant multinational corporations would never breach someones trust.
Not the thread for this but both Forza series walk all over GT at this point lol
So it's come to this now. Rather that win with content, MS wants to double down on competing with specs and hope it all works itself out on the third party end.
Honestly I do expect the next XB to top the PS5 in performance, but these last 10 years have shown me that the content will be winning on the Sony side, so it's not even bothering me.
Honestly I do expect the next XB to top the PS5 in performance, but these last 10 years have shown me that the content will be winning on the Sony side, so it's not even bothering me.
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