Given the seriousness and complexity of the situation and the loss of life, the poll was in bad taste, so we've deleted it.
Wait, after reading that article:
The Canadian government had earlier lowered the nation's death toll from 63 to 57, but the total of deaths is still the same and no other country revised its number.
So, where those six passengers were from and why no country is reclaiming them?
Thanks, that would make sense even if the death toll now changes to +1.No idea, but I know that our government here in Sweden raised the number of victims from the initial 10 to 17 yesterday.
Well clearly my language doesn't shut down discussion, as we are still discussing things right now.
I wasn't in the other threads much but I have to ask out of curiosity... were people who suggested Iran shot the plane by accident accused of being conspiracy nuts?
They've were actually less honest than us and somewhat more apologetic.Iran bulldozed the crash site, originally refused to give up the black boxes, lied and said the plane crashed due to "malfunction" and only admitted guilt after numerous other nations concluded themselves that it was brought down by missile and pressured Iran into admitted fault.
Man, we should be glad Iran has been like soooooo much more honest than the US throughout this whole ordeal....
This is really naive. The real world isn't a movie.We like to blame high level entities but let's not forget that it's the grunts that pull the trigger. Chain of command is bullshit, you're a human with freewill and we should instill a cultural foundation that when someone says "kill" you say "fuck off, do it yourself."
I wasn't in the other threads much but I have to ask out of curiosity... were people who suggested Iran shot the plane by accident accused of being conspiracy nuts?
They tried to dismiss any of the claims yesterday and the days priorJesus. I suppose if I'm trying to find the positive, it's that they admitted it and didn't hide the truth
How does an error like this happen in 2020? Am I overestimating modern technology that is available to armies? Like wtf, don't they have radars that automatically identify planned commercial flights and aircraft type?
Their statements say the aircraft veered into military areas. Horseshit!
Their statements say the aircraft veered into military areas. Horseshit!
Jesus. I suppose if I'm trying to find the positive, it's that they admitted it and didn't hide the truth
thats in there to take pressure off them, it doesn't make them less accountable but they earn sympathy points from sympathetic ears.
whatever, its already impressive they admitted they shot it down. in a fake news era no less.
They tried to dismiss any of the claims yesterday and the days prior
Oh I guess I missed that, well damn.I mean there's no way they didn't know immediately, it's rather clear they intended to cover it up.
thats in there to take pressure off them, it doesn't make them less accountable but they earn sympathy points from sympathetic ears.
whatever, its already impressive they admitted they shot it down. in a fake news era no less.
It's absolute bs designed to blame the pilots when in fact it's their own fucking fault.
Also this bs about war crimes is some hot garbage. Does Assad get a pass for throwing gas on civilians stuck with his enemies?
I can hate Trump while simultaneously not treating Iran's bullshit with kid gloves. Why can't you?
It's an international incident, I don't see how they would not
It's like breaking into someone's house in the night and loudly murdering their dog, and then being surprised when they accidentally shoot the postman in the morning
No one is clean in this situation except the people on that plane
I don't block people I disagree with. I block people I vehemently disagree with. That's the whole point of the ignore feature.So if you don't agree with someone you just put them on ignore? So you can just create a bubble of like minded individuals and weed out any other opinions? How could this possibly be a healthy way to foster discussion on a discussion forum.
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Yeah, I'm not. American militarism didn't shot down this plane, Iran's militarism and lack of basic care did.Whether you realize it or not, your posts are basically apologism for American militarism using right wing talking points.
The dude's record is an irrelevant part of the discussion here
As is Iran's human rights record.
Yet you keep bringing these things up
Yes. That was embarrassing , to be honest. The timing was very hard to ignore.I wasn't in the other threads much but I have to ask out of curiosity... were people who suggested Iran shot the plane by accident accused of being conspiracy nuts?
But America is also at fault for setting tensions so high to begin with.Yeah, I'm not. American militarism didn't shot down this plane, Iran's militarism and lack of basic care did.
Their statements say the aircraft veered into military areas. Horseshit!
So we are just not going to agree, because "high tensions" didn't shot that plane down. A basic failure of proper procedure and care did.
What I'm trying to get at is blaming the Iran government 100% ignores everything surrounding the situation, which some of us don't seem to understand. But yes, it does seem we're going in circles.And Iran is at fault for propagating decades of sectarian violence in the region
And the Americans are at fault at their foreign policy in the Middle East
etc
we can do this forever. there's no point in assigning blame to the tertiary entities, because nobody is clean in this mess.
And Iran admits it was shot down because of altitude and trajectory towards a sensitive military base. That means it would have been shot down regardless of tensions unless tensions made the pilot and airline choose that course.So we are just not going to agree, because "high tensions" didn't shot that plane down. A basic failure of proper procedure and care did.
No matter the tension, this shouldn't have happened. There are any number of steps that should have been taken to prevent this. This is an incredible operational failure of Iran's anti-air system.
So essentially it would be shot down regardless of the United States escalation, then?
Yes. That was embarrassing , to be honest. The timing was very hard to ignore.