I think it's really reasonable to bring up, helps set the expectation for how many games a system would get in its first year.
I was (I actually even reference that in the OP)I'm out of the loop. Were people this negative or cynical about games announced on the first and second year's of PS4 or Xbox One?
I think you're missing the point of the ports, again Mario Kart 8DX is on track to outsell og Mario Kart 8 in months, the ports bring in profit even if you're not the audience and even then I'd say you're missing out on some great gamesI think people are missing something with this 'ports for those who didn't buy a Wii U' stuff.
I didn't buy a Wii U. It wasn't just the hardware, it was also the fact that the software wasn't tempting enough. I don't think Hyrule Warriors or Donkey Kong will sell nearly as well as people think. Sure, Mario Kart and Pokken did well but it's MARIO KART on the go. I don't think Hyrule Warriors (especially as there's already a 3DS version) or DK have the same appeal.
For me, there's nothing until Tennis, and I probably won't buy that as I won't be able to justify it at full price. Then there's nothing really announced. At this rate I could see my next Switch game being Metroid or something on sale.
This is a bit tired as a talking point, especially given that there is often more variation within an existing Nintendo IP than there is between entirely "new" franchises most other publishers introduce. "A new Zelda" or "a new Mario" as a talking point is meaningless when you don't actually know what those new games entail.To me the cruise control comes from, "Here's another Mario, Zelda, Kirby, Smash, etc. game." It has nothing to do with the Switch and it doesn't even matter if the games are great. It's just harder to get excited when you pretty much know what to expect. Even though ARMS wasn't a hit, at least they tried something new. I want more stuff like that where it's not just another entry in the same franchise.
I hear what you're saying OP, but keep in mind Nintendo released two of the best
video games of all time in 2017. As good as the first year was, it would be wise to realize the likelihood of Nintendo, or any company, having that level of output again is extremely unlikely. Also keep in mind (and I realize you're intelligent enough to realize this but may just not be focusing on it) that game development is a lengthy process, and to make truly great games takes even longer.
So to answer your question, no, I don't think they're slacking, but games take time and we're bound for some down-time in the development cycle.
DK sold 1.5 millions on 3ds, Even when a Lot of people already played it on Wii and it was 30 FPS.I think people are missing something with this 'ports for those who didn't buy a Wii U' stuff.
I didn't buy a Wii U. It wasn't just the hardware, it was also the fact that the software wasn't tempting enough. I don't think Hyrule Warriors or Donkey Kong will sell nearly as well as people think. Sure, Mario Kart and Pokken did well but it's MARIO KART on the go. I don't think Hyrule Warriors (especially as there's already a 3DS version) or DK have the same appeal.
For me, there's nothing until Tennis, and I probably won't buy that as I won't be able to justify it at full price. Then there's nothing really announced. At this rate I could see my next Switch game being Metroid or something on sale.
I don't think Switch versions come out next month? Think Switch is getting VC4 on a later date if I recallHow come no one talks bout Valkyria Chronicles 4 which comes out end of next month? This month I bought Bayonetta 1/2 but I can understand people not being excited for a port
I don't think Switch versions come out next month? Think Switch is getting VC4 on a later date if I recall
This is a bit tired as a talking point, especially given that there is often more variation within an existing Nintendo IP than there is between entirely "new" franchises most other publishers introduce. "A new Zelda" or "a new Mario" as a talking point is meaningless when you don't actually know what those new games entail.
I'm out of the loop. Were people this negative or cynical about games announced on the first and second year's of PS4 or Xbox One?
Its February and we havent even gotten mayor Direct yet. You need to chill a bit.
They arent shipping +25m systems by cruise controlling. They have big plans for this year - the next Direct, fw update, Labo launch,e3, online service launch, Fire emblem, Smash, Prime 4 and co. in addition to big 3rdParty releases like GTA and CoD.
Imagine if Disney kept churning out Mickey Mouse movies since their inception. Nintendo is more than capable of making new IP.
I'm out of the loop. Were people this negative or cynical about games announced on the first and second year's of PS4 or Xbox One?
Yes, and I love Yakuza to bits - I've got my whiskey glass edition on preorder. But to be fair, it will probably sell just as much (if not less) than Hyrule Warriors. If that sentence isn't indicative of the industry, I don't know what is. :(
I admittedly did forget about MLB, because I was looking from an international viewpoint. (It doesn't get a retail release here.) My apologies.
There are some heavy hitter third parties, no question. Monster Hunter has indeed been a tremendous success. But the comparison wasn't to 'console wars list' a bunch of games, but to compare first-party output within a certain timeframe and measure comparitive successes. Nintendo is following Sony's PS4 playbook a bit with their Q1 strategy by putting out a few ports and letting third parties/indies take the reigns a bit.
You're allowed to be disappointed with Nintendo's output, especially if none of the games interest you. But it's a common first-party tactic to put lower tiered games out during this time frame - to say that there will be nothing better on the horizon is silly. I've no doubt that a direct/announcements will be around the corner.
It's hard for a 1st party to push out games like Zelda, Mario, Mario Kart, Splatoon, and Xenoblade every single year. Those games take a while to develop, and expecting them to have as strong of a 2018 as they did 2017 is unreasonable. This will be the year of some big titles from them, just not the same level or frequency. They will have smaller stuff and hope the 3rd parties can pad out the schedule.
DKC is an underrated great port on 3DS. Excellent 3D and graphics, better controls than the Wii version, even at 30fps. It's the definitive version IMO.DK sold 1.5 millions on 3ds, Even when a Lot of people already played it on Wii and it was 30 FPS.
Donkey should sell fine (unless price Is an issue).
Hyrule Warriors is niche, but it Will sell To
Zelda and musou fans.
Which would be fine... if we had an indication that a few new things were coming soon. We're 2 months in and it looks like the next 4 months will be similar. That's the issue.
It's technically still year one. They have games scheduled but nothing huge. It's apparent getting the Switch off to a roaring start was top priority.
Still, Bayonetta 1+2, Kirby and DK help fill the library. DK and Bayonetta 2 are games not many people got to play so it'll help.
The big issue is third parties still aint got shit out. I hope they dont all back load Sept-Dec with releases because there will be tons of bombs otherwise.
Things get announced year round.Which would be fine... if we had an indication that a few new things were coming soon. We're 2 months in and it looks like the next 4 months will be similar. That's the issue.
PS4 had a horrible period over the first couple of years. A lot where saying it had no games, me includedI'm out of the loop. Were people this negative or cynical about games announced on the first and second year's of PS4 or Xbox One?
Ok... I understand that. I know the Switch will ultimately have a good year. I know more things will be announced. My problem is there's basically going to be a ~6 month period where Kirby is the only big new game to release. Don't you see the problem with that?
Because they don't want to and often times it's a mixed bag. For a good majority of Switch owners the WiiU ports (many of them might as well be new to those who skipped the console entirely.) The Indies, the games with stupidly large replayability like Skyrim, BoTW, Splatoon, and Odyssey, and ports are more than enough to satisfy you. We even have Bayonetta 1+2, the third game on the horizon, Souls remastered, etc. Chill.So I don't get why they don't contract out to pad their release schedule. Momentum at this time is important. Get Wave Race out, get 1080 out, get F Zero out, get Mario Soccer out.
Whats the release date? Why are they brought up into 2018 discussions when there isn't a release day or ETA on it?
Nintendo's output last year for the Switch was seriously impressive, with a top tier major exclusive planned for the platform every month (in some months, two!). I think it would not be an exaggeration to say that Nintendo's incredible showing of software for the Nintendo Switch was what caused its momentum to be sustained over the year.
But this year, so far, it kind of feels like they are in some kind of refractory, cooldown period- like they are on cruise control a bit, so to say. It kind of feels like they view last year as them buying the Switch enough momentum and cachet, and therefore time, for them to be readying their next volley of attacks.
Now, don't get me wrong- I am extremely excited for games like Dark Souls and The World Ends With You coming to the Switch (especially since I haven't ever played through either before, so they'd be brand new to me), and those games, as well as others like Kirby, Bayonetta, Yoshi, Ys, and so on, feel like Nintendo has taken the foot off the pedal for a bit.
My question is, am I the only one who feels this way? Do you think that this is something Nintendo can afford to do with the Switch? I'm a bit worried that for now, they are putting all their eggs in the Labo basket, and while Labo looks cool, it is new enough that it is not an assured bankable success (for now).
On the other hand, Sony followed a similar pattern with the PS4 as well, where, after giving the system serious momentum and sales in its first year, they kind of relented a bit in 2014, letting third parties and ports carry them with the odd mid tier exclusive, before beginning a new wave of software in 2015. Do you think the Switch has enough games coming from third parties that such a strategy would work for it too?
Honestly, this feels less like "cruise control" and more like an above-average year 2 to me. Nintendo needed big and "new" titles throughout most of last year to keep sales momentum going. Now that they have a healthy lineup of software, they don't need a BoTW or Mario Odyssey every few months to keep things going. From here on out I expect that they'll save titles like that for the Fall/Holiday.
Otherwise, I think their software output is still doing great. We're seeing plenty of retail/indie releases on a regular basis.
PS4 had a horrible period over the first couple of years. A lot where saying it had no games, me included
For Sony, two actually. You forgot MLB The Show. Those two VR games and remake are a lot bigger deal then you seem to be giving them, and Detroit seems highly likely for May/June. That's compared to Nintendo releasing mostly ports of recent games, Kirby, and Mario Tennis, which is easy to see why it's not as good in comparison.What a peculiar distinction. To compare, Sony only has one original title in the same timeframe (God of War) but also has 2 VR exclusives and a remaster.
Microsoft just has the one original title (Sea of Thieves).
Now this line of thinking is silly and extremely reductionist - ALL systems have a ton of titles on the way, some new and some ports. They may not be from the hardware's manufacturing company, but there's no lack of games.
ccieag All but two of the games you listed are ports, and one of those two doesn't even have a release quarter. It's rather easy to see where the issue lies. Hell, other than Bayonetta, every game you listed comes out May or later, which is quite a while from now.Seriously? Just this year we have TWEWY and Octopath from Square, Bayonetta, Tropical Freeze, and Fire Emblem. Not to mention Dark Souls. Those are just what we know about. Pretty sure we are going to hear about Kingdom Hearts at E3, DQXI plans, and a couple of surprises, including a possible Pokemon game this year. If anything, this year looks even stronger