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Joe Biden forcefully spoke out against school desegregation plan in 1975
- Thread starter Bob Beat
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That is some deep stain on a presidential run... oof
From a left perspective anyway. Centrist: But he's good ol'Joe! Give him a break. Right wingers: How do I elect him king?
From a left perspective anyway. Centrist: But he's good ol'Joe! Give him a break. Right wingers: How do I elect him king?
I should have prefaced that by saying no Democrat could win the presidency who inarticulately fumbles over words...
The busing plan has been seen as a failure by many black civil rights activists.
It also wasn't popular with both communities IN the 1970's.
Some people might also take umbrage with this other passage Biden said
Which was echoed by many black leaders.
http://www.adversity.net/education_2_north_carolina.htm
It also wasn't popular with both communities IN the 1970's.
Some people might also take umbrage with this other passage Biden said
Which was echoed by many black leaders.
http://www.adversity.net/education_2_north_carolina.htm
Ahh ok.
Beau's the second of his kids to have died - Biden's formative political and life experience came when his wife and daughter (1 year old at the time) were killed in a car crash a few weeks after he had won his first Senate election (and before he had taken office). Both of his sons were also in the accident, but they survived. On top of Beau passing away at 46, his other son has had some bad addiction problems.
Hence why the comment was initially a "uh woah"
His busing comments aren't so terrible since he expressed more investment in Black communities but overall Joe ain't our guy. I still get a chuckle out of him describing Obama as a "fresh, clean, Black guy".
The comment was directed to his attitude in the article, specifically about how he feels he isn't responsible for the sins of his forefathers.
Why in the word would you think I was talking about his actual sons??? =/
I didn't think you were but with the craziness I've heard on many of these threads, I wasn't sure!
Who are you speaking for? You aren't speaking for me. Joe Biden is a known bad actor on black issues. Just because Mel Gibson starred in buddy cop movies with Danny Glover doesn't mean that he isn't a racist POS. The same is obviously true of Biden. Biden's crime bill fucking destroyed our communities!
I care. There are other candidates who are problematic on black issues (Sanders and Harris come to mind almost immediately) but Biden is the worst out of the likely 2020 field. I don't want him as my President. I don't want him to even run. He should fuck off into the sunset and maybe deliver a couple of stump speeches for a better candidate in 2020.
It needs to be done. The problem is no matter what you propose policy wise, if its labeled "reparations", White Americans won't support it.
Everyone was a little racist back then. You gotta see how much he has evolved in the last 40 years.
I don't think you will find much support for demanding that people take responsibility from the actions of their parents or ancestors. Demanding that we all work to right the wrongs of the present (or even the past) is fine, but putting the responsibility of past wrongs on specific groups of people because they are descendants of those who did said wrongs is just not going to gain traction.
No one is telling folks to assume responsibility for somehow directly partaking in slavery.
They're telling folks to get over themselves and recognize the reality that America still subsists on the white supremacy that their forefathers instituted, and that white people are the direct benefactors of that system whether they want to be or not, and that complaining that you're being asked to simply help out because "I'm not responsible for the sins of more forefathers!!!!" is doing nothing but kicking the can down the road and assuring that any progress that could have been made in a reasonable timeframe is stunted in favor of the protection of your feelings.
It is not our responsibility to right these wrongs because we directly caused them. It's our responsibility because we're here.
Consider that we have the option of electing people who DIDNT need decades to come to the conclusion that racism is bad.
I think we're saying the same thing. Recognizing why things are the way they are and why we need to change them in order to better society and particular right things for those who have been given historically unfair treatment is the way to go and we need to encourage everyone to do that. It's when you start saying shit like "maintaining the sins of the father" that you're going to lose people, because you're starting to attribute blame to them for simply growing up in a system outside of their control. You might call it "feelings," but you're not going to gain anything by just putting people on the defensive and that's exactly what that kind of blame game does.
The poster you're responding to pretty much said that, though?
Lol this isn't a purity test. This some Robert Byrd shit. I was always iffy on Biden but this is pretty extreme.
My instincts tell me it's going to end up being Harris vs Sanders for the nom.
That said, I have terrible instincts.
That said, I have terrible instincts.
They posed the question of whether decades was long enough, and I posed the answer that we dont need to consider that because we dont ever need to elect someone that needed decades to come to a necessary conclusion.
Almost everyone has a skeleton or two in their closet. Not defending what Biden has done or said. But I have to choose someone I know that can beat the utter mess we have now. Biden will claim his "coming to Jesus" moment and ask forgiveness on the campaign trail. The question I have to ask myself is that is what he/she will do better than what we have now?
Biden is a prime example of the status quo that no longer exists yet centrists constantly yearn for - a time and a place where it's easier to ignore the systemic problems of our nation as a whole.
LOL, you know there's a bit of complexities with reparations, let alone the moral argument. Think beyond your nose for a second.
You're right though! Anyone "caught" being racist TODAY should be penalized! But this isn't about that. This is about the sins of ancestors of which a majority of Americans today have no connection or relation to. What about a white, polish immigrant who's only been here for a couple years? They're responsible for reimbursement for something they have no connection to?
I'm not downplaying past history in any way, nor justifying it....but reparations aren't happening. Expand your thinking a bit and don't immediately sort everything through a racist funnel.
White supremacy isn't entirely self-perpetuated. Biden was old enough and politically active enough to know better at the time and yet he still sank into the white fragility that is so easy to escape to with that lame quote of his.
Regardless, I'm also tired of hearing what will put white people on the defensive. Hint: it's everything, including completely innocuous actions like kneeling. There's nothing I can personally do or say to draw attention to issues pertaining to black people without some white person out there hollering like a hit dog, because in the 400-500 years white supremacy has been "a thing," almost every form of protest has actually been tried and- surprise surprise- here we are still in its throes! But this all belies the fact that I'm not obligated to treat discussions like these as the arbiter of race relations going forward. I am not obligated to care about white people's feelings all the time. I'm no ambassador. I don't get paid to say what I feel, or even moderate this forum. If the discussion is about a politician showing his ass in the 70s or so, I will gladly dunk on him and his shitty sentiment without worrying about how hypothetical white people are going to take my specific post in a hypothetical situation where racial equity is actually on the line with what I say.
This place is not a representation of the Republic. May as well be fanfic. Look at an actual poll of the country from time to time to help you remember this.
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Society needs to accept that people can be wrong, and that is superior to be able to question and challenge your own beliefs than having been right the whole time as it is harder to change one beliefs than to hold them. This happened 44 years ago, what is important is whether he still holds that belief not that he did. People need to accept that it isn't being wrong that is wrong, it is being unwilling to accept you are wrong when proven so, or at the very least have insufficient evidence to honestly assert the belief.
Nobody is heroic, nobody is pure. If you think someone is pure, you do not truly know them.
Nobody is heroic, nobody is pure. If you think someone is pure, you do not truly know them.
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Biden is shit. He might be Bernie 2008 since he got treated with kid gloves. Did these surface in 2008?
Biden did his job in helping white people feel good about voting for obama twice but he needs to be nowhere near the presidency. He is outdated as hell even now
He would destroy trump in an election but that cant be all this election is about
He would destroy trump in an election but that cant be all this election is about
Here is the humongous thread about it if you want to read it.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/wo...inst-reparations-for-african-americans.58577/