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Jury reaches a verdict in Kyle Rittenhouse murder case - Not guilty on all counts
- Thread starter GK86
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Yup, they just set precedent today, welcome to the new world of vigilante murders everywhere!! I think there was another school shooting also :(
It truly stuns me that people are defending this pos even here. There was nothing about this that was self defense. Most of the people he killed thought they were responding to an active shooter and were trying to save lives. Fuck all the way off with this bullshit.
There are many things that are morally wrong that shouldn't be illegal IMO, things like adultery for example
Not saying its the case here, but there's many cases where I would say that and not think there's a problem with the laws
Yeah but driving across state line with an illegal firearm to shoot up a civil rights protest probably should be illegal.
He lived the gun nut dream. Bought a gun and used it to kill other people under the pretense of "self defense". Not surprised that GOA is commemorating him for that.
Yeah, good point. You said it better than I did. Mostly just trying to state that "it was technically self-defense but was still wrong" is an unhelpful part of the conversation and that, if that is someone's argument, examining whether the conduct SHOULD be criminalized is important too. If THAT answer is yes, then the entire system needs to be changed.
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I mean at this point they're basically daring people to do it.
This tweet is sarcasm, it has to be??
It's not?! WTF
Gun owners of the US, of course.
Most likely. And Biden's DoJ will continue to put protestors in prison for incredibly long sentences for "property damage".
The right always fantasize about murdering their political enemies.
This verdict just gave them an excuse to celebrate it (more) in the open.
I think the discussion for some people is not if he was wrong, but how you convict someone legally when the laws allow such unethical actions?
Of course we would rightly point that it happens to black people all the time, but this is often a miscarriage of Justice. And one should not support abusing justice to equal the playing field, we should support fair laws (which they are not) being upheld fairly (which they are not).
Frankly, this is where I'm at. Our laws suck, our gun laws are bad, Kyle shouldn't have been there and put himself in a place where he could kill someone. And the current system allows all of it.
I don't think what he did should be allowed or legal. I also don't feel right saying the laws should be ignored. So Im feeling like there was no right way to convict him because the system is set up already to allow him to be innocent. So I find myself less upset with the actual verdict and more upset with the laws and the systems that got us here. This was always the natural outcome.
I hope this doesn't come across as me defending him. I'm not at all. I just don't see how one can convict him without also bending the laws of conviction that could then be bent whenever someone disagrees with them. So my issue is mainly with the laws, the ethics, and the culture, but not the result of today.
That's disgusting. People are dead. There are grieving families. Most people don't feel super great about picking up a weapon or let alone being awarded with one after shooting someone.
Thanks for killing two people in the street and attempting to kill others Kyle! Woohoo gun owners unite over fucking lawless killing!!! Fuck yes!
Also I'm proudly pro-life, each baby life is sacred! Until they grow up and try to protest then I'll shoot those fuckers dead!
I mean, I'm gonna be honest. Laws don't really matter when it comes to ethics, by which I mean the laws are just a reflection of what governments and those who control them find important, which in turn isn't equivalent to what is just. The laws of a country that routinely and consciously results in favorable outcomes for white people just because they're white are frankly not worth respecting. So like...who the fuck cares if the jury would've had to have subverted "the system" to put Kyle away? Why are we acting like the American judicial system, a system that for hundreds of years was like "yeah slavery's cool", deserves such a veneer of legitimacy that anyone has to be okay with the results it spits out from its algorithms?
We should be taking issue with everything, including the fuck-ass jury. They made an unjust outcome. So fuck 'em too. Whatever happens to them happens.
I generally agree. But I don't agree either that just discarding the laws and executing justice based on individual ethics is a viable route either. Not that this one isn't obvious.
The prosecution didn't create the laws that allowed all of this to be legal in Wisconsin.
Even if it did happen that way, unless someone did a good investigation and proved that nothing would happen.
Even if they proved that, incentive to stop that sort of things wouldn't be there without real charges coming for anyone behind it.
Biden doesn't even tweet in all caps! American masculinity is dead.
I really wish people would stop pretending like the outcome of this trial is 100% on the prosecution and not on the metric shitload of other deciding factors. And I know that's not what you said but I have seen so many people bring up the prosecution without even mentioning all of the other things that were in his favor from the start.
And don't get me wrong the prosecution sucked, but they were the least of the reasons why he got to walk free today. Between his skin color, his politics, the ludicrous laws in wisconsin, and the judge working in his favor the prosecution never stood a chance no matter how good they were.
The laws of Wisconsin did not require the prosecution to fail to establish the curfew that Rittenhouse violated, charge Rittenhouse with an appropriate weapons charge, or call a witness that was going to testify that they pointed a gun at Rittenhouse before he shot him.
Vigilantism is neither here nor there. If Kyle is found dead some day, oh well.
I just want people to stop legitimizing white killers being freed by saying "The outcome sucked, but oh well that's the appropriate outcome due to the system."
You don't have to accept that framing, and doing so just gives white supremacists ammo.
Either a legal system produces mainly bad outcomes, or mainly good ones. If it produces mainly bad ones, then it doesn't actually matter if the outcomes are the logical results of the system's inner workings. Like, no one thinks returning slaves was good because that was the law. Indeed, breaking the law in this instance would be the just result. And imagine being that so-called abolitionist who went "Yo, Dave you can't HELP them escape because that's undermining the system. It sucks but what can you do."
Dave is the actual ally here.
Kyle going free is bad because the system is bad. It's all bad. To give any quarter to that simply because he was freed by a jury as per legal precedent is absurd.
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Jesus. You are such a piece of shit. When have you ever been honest you dog shit bigoted cunt?
I think my general disagreement seems to be that this is still trying to argue that people in the system can operate within it but using moral means. As if the system just requires jurors to "do the right thing" or be more moral. But the legal system disallows this in its current state.
The whole "The master's tools will never dismantle the master's house." And all.
Additionally this outlook allows a lot of terrible things to be done to innocent people as well.
What is this response? Holy shit. I can disagree with someone but this?
I know you're about to be banned but when you inevitably come back here to desperately get a glimpse of whatever kind of reactions that you tried to get from this post I hope you realize just how ignorant and hypocritical this post really is.
Fucking morons always got to come out of the woodwork for threads like this. Like clockwork.
I saw a well liked twitter post say something along the lines of "Our system isn't perfect but I wouldn't trade it for any other!" like, why? do you really think the American judicial system is the very best in the world? How?
I'm only seeing one cunt on this page and it isn't Nepenthe
Yeah but they sure showed us. I bet they get at least two whole internet clouts for that beauty.