Hopefully, your wife can reach back safely. I hope things de-escalate now that both sides are calling for it. It is only hurting both countries.
Hopefully, your wife can reach back safely. I hope things de-escalate now that both sides are calling for it. It is only hurting both countries.
At the very least not parade his video around on twitter (if the previous page's post is accurate). That hardly helps ease tensions. If evidence needs to be provided of capture then that can be done via proper channels, not twitter.errr Im indian and while Ive seen some truly entrenched, half blind/ignorant/idiotic positions by some posters.
(Im going to avoid posting on those for now as its quite clear what their views/inclinations of some of the Pakistani and Indian poster's in these threads are.)
On this huh what do you expect them to do with a pilot shot down in their territory? Let him walk back to India. Capturing a pilot shot down (or even if you want to think technical fault) in enemy territory is perfectly normal and not an escalation.
WTF is this? Are you for real? Hope you get banned for spouting such hateful shit. Trump Jr. right here...Hey atleast India can make a movie out of their own pocket, not get a begging bowl to fund basic supplies like food, water and drink...
This is when you lost humanityHey atleast India can make a movie out of their own pocket, not get a begging bowl to fund basic supplies like food, water and drink...
Via proper channels, so Indian media can deny it as usual? Like they're still denying it?At the very least not parade his video around on twitter (if the previous page's post is accurate). That hardly helps ease tensions. If evidence needs to be provided of capture then that can be done via proper channels, not twitter.
WTF is this? Are you for real? Hope you get banned for spouting such hateful shit. Trump Jr. right here...
India's military procurement programmes are famous for being some of the most chaotic in the world, to the point that even Russia is no longer keen on them. They miss deadline after deadline, shoehorn bizarre clauses (formal or informal) and pit competitors in less than desirable ways. That and incredible levels of corruption at all concebible levels. Those are some of the reasons why India has been struggling to modernise their air force while spending big bucks on the indigenous HAL Tejas programme.Christ, I wouldn't want to be in a MIG-21 against a F-16 (especially has Pakistan has upgraded all their block A/B's) even if the MIG-21 was a bison. Actually I wouldn't want to be in a MIG-21 at all, they have a very dodgy afterburner desigIndian which leads to tendency to flame out. I'm surprised India are still flying MIG-21's
Who cares about the Indian media? Any negotiations on this matter should be made between the governments who can then pass on the relevant information to the local media.
Every damn thread. India and Pakistan have had multiple actual wars while having nuclear weapons and we're all still here. Get a grip.What do you think? If shit pops off do you really think I want to be here while everyone slowly starves/freezes to death?
Slowly but surely official acknowledgment will come but wait no Indian pilot is allowed to have a mustache hence fake news :)
India's media briefing just started, live now on Indian channels.
Reports are coming that one SU-30 has also been shot down and his pilot is also captured. and seeing the recent record i expect this to be true also.Christ, I wouldn't want to be in a MIG-21 against a F-16 (especially has Pakistan has upgraded all their block A/B's) even if the MIG-21 was a bison. Actually I wouldn't want to be in a MIG-21 at all, they have a very dodgy afterburner design which leads to tendency to flame out. I'm surprised India are still flying MIG-21's
Not taking any questions.India's media briefing just started, live now on Indian channels.
Not taking any questions and fled the scene. Great. Compare that to Pakistan's army spokesman who took questions from journalists.India's media briefing just started, live now on Indian channels.
It ended very quickly. They've confirmed that an Indian jet was shot down and the pilot is MIA. Claimed that a Pakistani jet was shot down but fell on their side of the border.
It ended very quickly. They've confirmed that an Indian pilot is MIA.
What kind of reports though? You embedded a zero retweets / likes tweet by somebody on twitter.Reports are coming that one SU-30 has also been shot down and his pilot is also captured. and seeing the recent record i expect this to be true also.
Although they didn't mention him by name in the briefing, he is almost certainly the same one arrested by Pakistan, Abhinandan Varthaman.
I appreciate that these countries have made their own decisions, mistakes, etc and are responsible for them. I certainly would want to infantilize either, but it's quite obvious that there are major lasting effects of colonialism. Don't excuse the UK and other former colonisers of their responsibilityDude the countries have been independant for over half a century. Were not going to blame it on some ages old colonialism etc... thats just reductionist as hell. India Pakistan issues are their own thing. Hardly anyone thinks about its original British influence etc etc. Quite frankly the concept is somewhat demeaning both are indepedant countries with their own agendas not stuck in some 1950s colonial hangover.
Indians generally overestimate India's military strength and underestimate Pakistan's military. They have not seen the ill effects of a full scale prolonged war so they ask for it. Dumb to do so really because war is never good.Majority of Indian politician and people of India want war I don't have any idea how can you rage war on other country just by justifying it by blaming other country without any proof. Come on its not a video game or over the top movie. War is a lose-lose situation and its not nationalism that makes you cheer on war, it's your privilege.
Not really, the British are absolutely to be blamed for dividing the country this way and fueling the animosity. It's gradual but they were the cause.Dude the countries have been independant for over half a century. Were not going to blame it on some ages old colonialism etc... thats just reductionist as hell. India Pakistan issues are their own thing. Hardly anyone thinks about its original British influence etc etc. Quite frankly the concept is somewhat demeaning both are indepedant countries with their own agendas not stuck in some 1950s colonial hangover.
A logical person would think that. Unfortunately that's not how most people around in India would think so, and it matters what they think because of elections :/I feel like this is probably the end of the escalation phase. Pakistan did respond but not in a way that requires a further repsonse from India.
But the disagreement between the leaders happened exactly because of the partition mentality the Brits brought. The sentiment that India won't accept Jinnah as PM existed because the Brits fueled those sentiments and made it worse. This doesn't go back to independence era, this goes back all the way to 1857.The root cause of the conflict is varied
India and Pakistan were also created due to disagreements between leaders of the nations and the British. Its not like we went no dont break us up and they insisted on it.
Yes same people overall. But the history since is our own so yeah I definitely find it ridiculous to think of it as a British remnant and not our fault. Our problem no point blaming some colonial boogeyman.
Finally I will agree some of the posts in this thread are people ridiculously entrenched in thier position with just snipes at one another.
EDIT: Partly why I've mostly avoided the threads some of the posts are borderline wacko.
I feel like this is probably the end of the escalation phase. Pakistan did respond but not in a way that requires a further repsonse from India.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uR_-47dqlDI
This is a livestream of CNN18 in India covering the story. Be warned they are pretty obnoxious with the flashing and constantly changing on screen graphics
Stop labeling freedom fighters as terrorists please. Thank you
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uR_-47dqlDI
This is a livestream of CNN18 in India covering the story. Be warned they are pretty obnoxious with the flashing and constantly changing on screen graphics
But the disagreement between the leaders happened exactly because of the partition mentality the Brits brought. The sentiment that India won't accept Jinnah as PM existed because the Brits fueled those sentiments and made it worse. This sn't go back to independence era, this goes back all the way to 1857.
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-asia-47383889Prime Minister Khan says in a televised address that Pakistan's morning strikes were not meant to cause casualties or damage. He said they were only meant to show Pakistan's "capability", Reuters news agency reports.
The Pakistani leader says that two Indian MiG fighter jets were shot down.
India earlier said it had only lost one plane.
"We shot two of their MiGs. The pilots are with us," Mr Khan said.
"But where do we go from here? I'm asking India. We must be responsible."
Another Speech by PM Pak, offering India to show the evidence and find the culprit of Pulwama attack and resolve issues through dialogue.
But as is evident to all sensible people that it Pulwama incident was a false flag operation by Modi Sarkar to win the election, therefore i doubt they will accept an offer of dialogue.
Imran Khan is giving a televised address to the nation
Pakistan 'wanted to show capability'
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-asia-47383889
I don't sympathize with what the Indian army is doing in Kashmir. for decades You reap what you sow. Its a daily fight for freedom for Kashmiri people. You can't just lump them with other terrorists. so casually. The real terrorist in Kashmir has been the Indian army and still is.The fuck? I didn't know we had fucking terrorism apologists on Era. Do mods really slip by posts sympathizing with mass murdering sick fucks?
In four months, 17,000 adults and children have been injured, nearly five thousand have been arrested, and an entire population spent the summer under the longest curfew in the history of curfews in Kashmir.
Look I can understand IKs statement on needing to respond and show 'capability' but the bolded is a massive overreach given the evidence we have.Another Speech by PM Pak, offering India to show the evidence and find the culprit of Pulwama attack and resolve issues through dialogue.
But as is evident to all sensible people that it Pulwama incident was a false flag operation by Modi Sarkar to win the election, therefore i doubt they will accept an offer of dialogue.
How exactly did they wanted to show capabilities? lmao when IAF crossed LOC to target terrorist training camp, they had a target. I don't get what PAI was trying to prove with this stunt now we have 2 jets shot down including their own. So what exactly did they achieve?
Yes, evidence is that He was Indian, on an Indian car, used Indian ammunition, passed through Indian check post.Look I can understand IKs statement on needing to respond and show 'capability' but the bolded is a massive overreach given the evidence we have.
No proof for both of theseHow exactly did they wanted to show capabilities? lmao when IAF crossed LOC to target terrorist training camp, they had a target. I don't get what PAI was trying to prove with this stunt now we have 2 jets shot down including their own. So what exactly did they achieve?
JeM is not a freedom fighting organisation, it's a terrorist organisation.I don't sympathize with what the Indian army is doing in Kashmir. for decades You reap what you sow. Its a daily fight for freedom for Kashmiri people. You can't just lump them with other terrorists. so casually. The real terrorist in Kashmir has been the Indian army and still is.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...in-kashmir-is-this-worlds-first-mass-blinding
Therefore it was a false flag operation by Modi to win re-election? That's a massive gulf in logic to overcome for anyone to arrive at your stated conclusion. I'll put in the pile of other worthless conspiracy theories (which funnily enough happens to include people saying Congress did this to make life tough for Modi - which is total bullshit as well).Yes, evidence is that He was Indian, on an Indian car, used Indian ammunition, passed through Indian check post.