Riderz1337

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Lmao fuck off. Of course they put together the double pistols with the bikini/shorts. Legit I'm not buying this game day 1 because of that stupid ass quote.
 

PlanetSmasher

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Either this is a misdirect or they're supremely stupid, especially after the last two fakes.

Did they tease the dual pistols at the end of Rise too? I got so sick of her complaining that about 60% of the way through the main story I just gave up and trade the game in for something more fun and less exhausting.
 

Sub Boss

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Nov 14, 2017
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I'm not sure I get the 'having dual pistols' = must also wear short shorts and bikinis insinuation there but alright. That's a shame. Could have been a really great

God of War'ish style (Kratos getting the blades back) moment in game and a really cool scene.
Lara gets her iconic triangle boobs back
 

DarkPrince

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Dec 2, 2017
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Don't hate on the bikini.

The games are great but it would be awesome to have some nostalgic items added to the games, classic outfit and dual pistols being the top of the list.
 

OrdinaryPrime

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It's not like I want the same kind of sex object (I absolutely don't), but the fact that he is bringing that up is ridiculous. Who said that they want Lara in a Bikini?

I think they're tying the two together because that's what Lara was back then. But agreed, you could do the dual pistols without the objectification.

And I don't care how TR aged. It was amazing back then, unlike the reboot, which was Uncharted with abysmal writing,

I tried to play it then and found the controls unintuitive even then. The new TRs at least play well even if I agree the writing is subpar.

Torture porn and sexual assault in the reboot aren't any better

Thankfully the last game toned down the deaths because they were pretty bad. I can't comment on the sexual assault because I honestly can't remember how it was depicted. But with the writing issues, I'd assume it wasn't done well.
 

Gold Arsene

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Oct 27, 2017
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Associating the twin pistols with "shorts and a bikini" (don't ever recall that particular combo but what do I know.) seems kinda distasteful to be honest.

Can they not just admit that not everything people liked about old Lara was tied to fanservice?
 

Wanderer5

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Oct 25, 2017
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Did they tease the dual pistols at the end of Rise too? I got so sick of her complaining that about 60% of the way through the main story I just gave up and trade the game in for something more fun and less exhausting.

They were a easter egg in Blood Ties (the DLC with croft manor), but that works cause the DLC was a celebration of 20 years of TR and had a bunch of nods to previous games.
 

Magoo

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I also won't be wearing a bikini.

I know nobody asked or even thought about it. Just letting you know.
 

PlanetSmasher

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Antrax

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Bow/axe is better. I groaned a bit when she whipped out double pistols in the first game (as I do in any media with two pistols; how the fuck do you expect to aim or reload them?)
 

ViewtifulJC

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Didn't they end the first game with her getting them

This is the most drawn out origin story in entertainment history
 

Fredrik

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What's with the bikini comment?? Why not just start a new IP with another character if it's embarrassing to talk about the origin of the old IP? It's like they're ashamed about the older games and wants to stay as far as possible from everything that made Lara an icon. The old Lara is not only gone, the devs are basically pissing on her grave now.
 

Blade24070

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I wish they'd damn well stop teasing the dual pistols then... You can't continually denounce an iconic aspect of your character's past as silly while continually winking to the audience using said aspect in your games. I know Shadow is being made by Eidos and not Crystal Dynamics, but I can't imagine the Eidos people aren't aware of how TR13 or Rise DLC ended. So maybe don't crap on something as being silly when it has been a part of this new series, too.
 

PlanetSmasher

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Bow/axe is better. I groaned a bit when she whipped out double pistols in the first game (as I do in any media with two pistols; how the fuck do you expect to aim or reload them?)

I don't like the axe at all. It's too brutal, it doesn't feel like a good fit for a character we're supposed to like and care about. She's shoving that thing into dudes' spines like a serial killer and it's supremely uncomfortable to watch.

I wish they'd damn well stop teasing the dual pistols then... You can't continually denounce an iconic aspect of your character's past as silly while continually winking to the audience using said aspect in your games. I know Shadow is being made by Eidos and not Crystal Dynamics, but I can't imagine the Eidos people aren't aware of how TR13 or Rise DLC ended. So maybe don't crap on something as being silly when it has been a part of this new series, too.

This "our old games were dumb and we know that but we're still gonna keep winking at them" shit is getting tiring. Ninja Theory did it so much with DmC too. Either be reverent for the old games or leave them in the past. You can't have it both ways.
 

Son of Sparda

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They don't want to put Lara in shorts or bikinis but they don't have any problems sexualising her with ridiculous camera placements/shots? Okay.
 

Richietto

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The bow is fucking lame because the bow has been the thing for a while in many games now. Also I don't see what the shorts and stuff have to do with dual pistols.
 

unknownspectator

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Oct 27, 2017
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Lmao fuck off. Of course they put together the double pistols with the bikini/shorts. Legit I'm not buying this game day 1 because of that stupid ass quote.


I'm in the same boat but not only because of the quote but it's tone. If they aren't gonna respect the classics for what they've done then they can kindly fuck off. I am willing to bet this game wouldn't have sold as well if it wasn't for the tomb raider name.
 

Wanderer5

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I wish they'd damn well stop teasing the dual pistols then... You can't continually denounce an iconic aspect of your character's past as silly while continually winking to the audience using said aspect in your games. I know Shadow is being made by Eidos and not Crystal Dynamics, but I can't imagine the Eidos people aren't aware of how TR13 or Rise DLC ended. So maybe don't crap on something as being silly when it has been a part of this new series, too.

It was fine in Rise, cause again, that DLC was the 20th anniversary celebration. It would have been sad if they didn't have them then.
 

ZeroX

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I'll take the objectification over the brutal deaths

Why are these games obsessed with impaling her

It happened less in Rise, but it's still there, and looks like it'll continue into Shadow
 

rhandino

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Dual guns are not realistic
Imagine caring about realism after watching Lara get her abdomen impaled several times in the reboot and then going deep into dirty water.

Oh and that bit about the ancient Queen of the Sun that had supernatural powers.
 

PlanetSmasher

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Imagine caring about realism after watching Lara get her abdomen impaled several times in the reboot and then going deep into dirty water.

Oh and that bit about the ancient Queen of the Sun that had supernatural powers.

Don't forget about the immortal Jesus guy in the second game.
 

Dust

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This makes sense.
New Lara is blood thirsty psycho who loves to kill, using pick axe to rip throats and bow to pierce skulls is much more to her liking.
Guns are way too boring for her, there is no fun in that.
 

DarkPrince

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Bow/axe is better. I groaned a bit when she whipped out double pistols in the first game (as I do in any media with two pistols; how the fuck do you expect to aim or reload them?)

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Wanderer5

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Bansai

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This makes sense because of the setting. Thank about it: the premise of the game is she's hunting while being hunted.

A recurve bow fits this theme perfectly as it is better suited for stealth. Imagine trying to stealth with two loud weapons as they attract unwanted attention. If she starts a game in this setting with two unsilenced dual pistols it takes away from the immersion IMHO.

Not really considering that:

a) we will probably be able to go through entire game shooting everybody in the face with an assault rifle
b) silencers exist

Oh, and speaking of immersion, bow will never be better for modern day stealth scenario than basically any silenced gun in existence, it's simply too unwieldy and unreliable.
 

Chibs

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What's with the bikini comment?? Why not just start a new IP with another character if it's embarrassing to talk about the origin of the old IP? It's like they're ashamed about the older games and wants to stay as far as possible from everything that made Lara an icon. The old Lara is not only gone, the devs are basically pissing on her grave now.
Yup, this is the feeling I get as well. Damn shame, the old games (including the PS2 ones like Legend and Anniversary) are responsible for some amazing gaming memories.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Well, the dual guns were iconic for the original Lara but I think the new Lara is mostly known for her bow and arrows so I don't mind this that much.
 

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Associating the twin pistols with "shorts and a bikini" (don't ever recall that particular combo but what do I know.) seems kinda distasteful to be honest.

Can they not just admit that not everything people liked about old Lara was tied to fanservice?

No, we can't. Now let's back at Lara's dad/mom issues.

But seriously, 90's Lara was a cool action game hero. She played for sports and financed all by her writing, that was all the backstory needed to jump into action. Honestly was closer to Nintendo games than Uncharted back then.

Sadly what it stuck was the general marketing use of the brand, not the actual games and her characterization there.
 

ZeroX

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If you're going to make the bow her weapon, make her a superhero tier archer with it and stick with it. The last two games she got halfway there with it, then the game hands you an assault rifle and shotgun and you can just use the bow if you want bad stealth combat I guess.

The swinging and rope acrobatics were okay but not badass.