Or you could, like, mobilize the coalition that elected that black president twice and try to gear your policy to help the constituent groups of that coalition.This country sucks and he's basically completely right. We're so fucking racist that having a single black president for two terms have pushed us so far back into the red that the only person that will probably be able to win at this point is a white male.
I'm a black dude, but I agree with him. I don't think the country is ready for another person of color to be president. While the popular vote was on Hillary's side, it didn't matter because she wasn't popular in the right places. So I'd be hesitant about a non white dude winning 2020. 2024 is different and I think everyone will have a better chance, but I think the unfortunate reality is that he's right
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Or you could, like, mobilize the coalition that elected that black president twice and try to gear your policy to help the constituent groups of that coalition.
If there's less voter apathy, international voter influence, and voter suppression in 2016 we don't have Trump as the President anyway. I don't think Michael is correct here at all unless he believes we will see similar levels of voter apathy among young voters in 2020. If that's the case, he will have had a point. I disagree.Exactly.
While Avenatti's motives behind this may be "make me your king", the point is not one that knee-jerk-Era is seeing. It sucks, but it may be true. Does that mean that the intolerant 'win' if Dems go for this strategy? I don't know.
Fact is, Obama was great, but he didn't kill racism in the country and Trump is what we got as a result.
I will never understand the fascination with Avenatti.This guy came off as sleaze from the first I've heard him speak. Wow, he @ Trump. Big whoop. HRC, Andrew Gillum and others also have. That's nothing special.
I disagree almost completely. Voter apathy had a big influence on the 2014 and 2016 election cycle. I see no reason to believe that will be the case for the 2018 or 2020 elections. In fact, I expect record turnouts for the Dem candidate as long as they aren't extremely weak candidates. White male or not.
Yep. I wanna hear from folks on this one because they were going hard for the guy two weeks back.
ThisOr you could, like, mobilize the coalition that elected that black president twice and try to gear your policy to help the constituent groups of that coalition.
I'm a black dude, but I agree with him. I don't think the country is ready for another person of color to be president. While the popular vote was on Hillary's side, it didn't matter because she wasn't popular in the right places. So I'd be hesitant about a non white dude winning 2020. 2024 is different and I think everyone will have a better chance, but I think the unfortunate reality is that he's right
Not just Obama. Biden and Bill both told her as much. She ignored their advice because, as I said, she felt she deserved to win and didn't need to do the extra work.Obama himself stated that Hilary lost those areas because she didn't campaign in those places.
He's not wrong with the sentiment that "When you have a white male making the arguments, they carry more weight". It's a symptom of institutionalized racism that's plainly demonstrable.There's people in this thread saying "he's not wrong", so there you go.
Just ignore the fact that Hillary won the popular vote and I guess you can say "he's not wrong" lol
yeah, this. and it fucking sucks.I'm a black dude, but I agree with him. I don't think the country is ready for another person of color to be president. While the popular vote was on Hillary's side, it didn't matter because she wasn't popular in the right places. So I'd be hesitant about a non white dude winning 2020. 2024 is different and I think everyone will have a better chance, but I think the unfortunate reality is that he's right
They carry more white for only a portion of the country, and not the portion that the Democrat base is. It's disingenuous.He's not wrong with the sentiment that "When you have a white male making the arguments, they carry more weight". It's a symptom of institutionalized racism that's plainly demonstrable.
It's a shit thing to say, of course, and he needs to have a seat; especially as Democrat voters move further left.
Obama himself stated that Hilary lost those areas because she didn't campaign in those places.
Please stop hyping flashes in the pan as Presidential contenders.
It's only been about 15 minutes since this went up so I guess they haven't arrived yet, next few hours should be interesting tho cant wait for the responsesYep. I wanna hear from folks on this one because they were going hard for the guy two weeks back.
That "it's true"shit doesn't fly when we've seen a wave for enthusiasm for candidates like Gillum and Abrams.
As a New Jerseyan, I think Booker has no prayer.So Avenatti and Warren are out. Betting Harris or Booker shoot themselves in the foot next.
So Avenatti and Warren are out. Betting Harris or Booker shoot themselves in the foot next.
You're ignoring that he said "they better elect a White man. I feel like that's where your perceived "outrage" is coming from and I say deservedly so.lmao some of you just love to be outraged so much it's kinda nuts. he says he wishes it wasn't the case, but it should be obvious that a white male candidate will be seen as more powerful in america. this is a reflection of the american people, not avenatti.
yeah, this. and it fucking sucks.
Warren isn't out lmaoSo Avenatti and Warren are out. Betting Harris or Booker shoot themselves in the foot next.
So Avenatti and Warren are out. Betting Harris or Booker shoot themselves in the foot next.
It's not guaranteed that either of those people are even running soI don't know why people like to play suspense here. It's quite clear the primaries will be Biden vs Sanders with Biden probably winning easily if he is able to convince women he is not a creep.
I know. It's a short post glazing over many details. I'm just saying, I want Trump out at any costabdat thnd is point in time our best bet is a white dude who can bring over those people. Whether or not they campaign there. They'll have a lot more room for failure than a women whose been dragged through the mud for 20 years and a person of color because the country is afraid of us
I think the guy is a used car salesman and attention whore, but I don't think he's wrong. If you want a cookie-cutter candidate to appeal to the majority and be the "least offensive", it' would be a white male.
So Avenatti and Warren are out. Betting Harris or Booker shoot themselves in the foot next.
Shrug. I still think it will be Harris. You can @ me if she fails hard.I don't know why people like to play suspense here. It's quite clear the primaries will be Biden vs Sanders with Biden probably winning easily if he is able to convince women he is not a creep.