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[LEAK] Massive Devil May Cry 5 Info (Potential heavy spoilers inside!)

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I'm sitting here as the credits roll on DmC DE, and the final shot you see is of Dante's voice actor saying "My name... is Dante" into the camera, then riding away on a skateboard and doing this exact pose, except he's flipping the bird instead. I couldn't help but laugh; this whole game's aesthetic screams of what theatre kids think is cool and edgy, and to end it like that was just so perfectly on-brand :P

That game certainly has its high points, but man the ending is not one of them. Mundus is probably the easiest bossfight in the game, and then Vergil drops the "Oh, btw, I'm going to subjugate humanity lol" bomb on you out of nowhere right at the very end so they could contrive a bossfight against him. Oh well, time to move on to replaying the real DMCs now.
 
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Love the exchange between Nero and Dante at the end of 4

Nero: What...? I thought this meant a lot to you...?

Dante: That's the only kind of gift worth giving. I want to entrust it to you, and so I am. What you do from here is your call.
 
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Love the exchange between Nero and Dante at the end of 4

Nero: What...? I thought this meant a lot to you...?

Dante: That's the only kind of gift worth giving. I want to entrust it to you, and so I am. What you do from here is your call.
That's a really strong line.

People like to bring up all the goofy stuff Dante does in DMC4, but that line is really why I think he's the best version to date.

He becomes that cool uncle you want to hang out with.
 
Judgement Cut End literally freezes everything, then Vergil does what Vergil does and ends it all. It even works on characters like Dante too. Heres a clip:
I think that showcases his incredible speed, and is not a time freeze ability.
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Thanks for mentioning this.
I'm pretty sure it's mentioned when you first get it. Why do people forget?
Can you please pm me as well?
I want to be part of the Discord as well! Please PM me too.
 

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Man this news made reinstall DMC4:SE, played some Nero.

I had forgotten what a pain this game was to play. Like literal pain on my fingers. The hardcore might scoff at this, but I really hope a potential new DMCV is easier to play/control, i.e. doesn't make me have to use five fingers at the same time. This is why I'm a proponent of a soft-lock option (like Bayonetta) plus a dedicated launch button (like DmC). With someone like Nero it'd make it more comfortable to do exceed (while charging blue rose too, if these mechanic are even going to be in the game).
 
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Not even trying to hide it anymore. Which must mean its definitely getting announced soon.

It took wishing upon a lot of stars but its finally time
 
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and then Vergil drops the "Oh, btw, I'm going to subjugate humanity lol" bomb on you out of nowhere right at the very end so they could contrive a bossfight against him
Not to detract from the thread, but I think Vergil's attitude throughout the game hints at those plans very clearly. The only person whom he talks to with any semblance of respect is Dante, he treats humans and demons alike as garbage and manipulates everyone in order to reach his goals. From the start he sees himself and Dante as superior to mankind and demons due to them being Nephilim, so his turn in the end is merely the culmination of his character.
 
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God it is amazing how much better DMC4 looks compared to DmC. 5 years earlier, on the same console, with the added handicap of being a 60FPS compared to DmC's high 20s. That clean MT Framework aesthetic and the gorgeous animation go a long way, and I guess it helps that DmC has some of the ugliest character models around :P

I'm playing DMC4 in Japanese for the first time in the SE, and Nero and Dante's voices are pretty great. Problem is the voiced lines and the subtitles don't match at all, and it's really confusing (I'm still only learning Japanese). I know the original Japanese release didn't have Japanese voiceover, so I guess the subtitles come from the original game's release, and the voiced lines must be from a re-translated script when the SE came out?
 

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Even on PS3 the 4th game had absolutely stellar IQ. I loaded it up at the end of that gen and it made MG:R and the like look like amateur hour.

MT was a beast and Phanta Rhei is whatever.
 
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Don't know if it means anything but PSN EU is doing a big holiday sale for the PSN Store and both DMC 4 and DmC Definitive Edition are on sale until December 22nd.
 
Man this news made reinstall DMC4:SE, played some Nero.

I had forgotten what a pain this game was to play. Like literal pain on my fingers. The hardcore might scoff at this, but I really hope a potential new DMCV is easier to play/control, i.e. doesn't make me have to use five fingers at the same time. This is why I'm a proponent of a soft-lock option (like Bayonetta) plus a dedicated launch button (like DmC). With someone like Nero it'd make it more comfortable to do exceed (while charging blue rose too, if these mechanic are even going to be in the game).
Were you playing on a keyboard? It's not that hard. A dedicated launcher button is just gonna be a waste of a button. DmC Dante had more weapons than DMC 4 Dante, yet DMC 4 Dante had more variety in his moveset.
 
Not to detract from the thread, but I think Vergil's attitude throughout the game hints at those plans very clearly. The only person whom he talks to with any semblance of respect is Dante, he treats humans and demons alike as garbage and manipulates everyone in order to reach his goals. From the start he sees himself and Dante as superior to mankind and demons due to them being Nephilim, so his turn in the end is merely the culmination of his character.
Does he though? The only thing we know of his past is that he established The Order and saved Kat from demons. There aren't really any other cast members that Vergil meets for us to truly see how he treats people. That's why the scene at the end would work perfectly with a comical "dun dun duuuun" sound effect.

That scene is just so bad. Vergil drops this bomb on Dante casually and expects him to comply, and seems genuinely upset that he doesn't. The final duel of the game is due to a misunderstanding.
 
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Love the exchange between Nero and Dante at the end of 4

Nero: What...? I thought this meant a lot to you...?

Dante: That's the only kind of gift worth giving. I want to entrust it to you, and so I am. What you do from here is your call.
Falls right in line with: "It was originally my brother's." "That sword was used to separate our world from the demons. I can't have something with that kind of power floating around, now can I? It's got to stay in the family."

That scene is just so bad. Vergil drops this bomb on Dante casually and expects him to comply, and seems genuinely upset that he doesn't. The final duel of the game is due to a misunderstanding.
Yeah, the turn is hinted at, but the execution is 90 degrees at 200mph.
 
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Does he though? The only thing we know of his past is that he established The Order and saved Kat from demons. There aren't really any other cast members that Vergil meets for us to truly see how he treats people. That's why the scene at the end would work perfectly with a comical "dun dun duuuun" sound effect.

That scene is just so bad. Vergil drops this bomb on Dante casually and expects him to comply, and seems genuinely upset that he doesn't. The final duel of the game is due to a misunderstanding.
See how he treats Kat and is willing to let her die throughout the game (yes, he saved her in the past, but his end goal was always his supremacy), or how he shows no regard for the members of the Order, worried only about the data that could be stolen. Also, see how little he again cares about Kat and Lilith during the hostage trading sequence (even if he justifies his actions as being "for the greater good"). There's nothing unexpected about his turn in the end, unless you mostly skipped cutscenes throughout, and its even interesting to see how his actions make him similar to Mundus, who also cares very little for anything other than his own goals.

And, yes, he does expect Dante to comply because, again, he sees himself and Dante as superior to any other beings due to them being Nephilim. For him, Dante cared as little for humans as himself (he doesn't even notice or tries to understand Dante's intentions towards Kat), and the game more than drives this point home. Again, maybe you should rewatch the cutscenes, because just because you felt it was out of the blue, it doesn't mean the game did not telegraph this throughout its plot. The DLC goes even deeper into Vergil's psyche, but the main game itself is enough to understand Vergil's actions at the end.
 

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Were you playing on a keyboard? It's not that hard. A dedicated launcher button is just gonna be a waste of a button. DmC Dante had more weapons than DMC 4 Dante, yet DMC 4 Dante had more variety in his moveset.
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Playing on a controller.
Holding R1 to lock-on
Constantly pressing L1 to exceed.
Holding R2 to keep blue rose charged (if I keep it on a face button I just never use the thing)
Plus both thumbs.

That all gets really fucking uncomfortable after a while.

Maybe a launcher button isn't necessary, but they really should offer optional soft-lock in a similar manner to how Bayonetta does it (that's one less button to hold all the effing time at least), and I guess in lieu of a DmC-like launcher button, they could put launch into a delayed second-hit in your combo, like how Platinum does it. And the traditional scheme can be also kept in place for those that enjoy contorting their fingers.
 
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See how he treats Kat and is willing to let her die throughout the game (yes, he saved her in the past, but his end goal was always his supremacy), or how he shows no regard for the members of the Order, worried only about the data that could be stolen. Also, see how little he again cares about Kat and Lilith during the hostage trading sequence (even if he justifies his actions as being "for the greater good"). There's nothing unexpected about his turn in the end, unless you mostly skipped cutscenes throughout.

And, yes, he does expect Dante to comply because, again, he sees himself and Dante as superior to any other beings due to them being Nephilim. For him, Dante cared as little for humans as himself (he doesn't even notice or tries to understand Dante's intentions towards Kat), and the game more than drives this point home. Again, maybe you should rewatch the cutscenes, because just because you felt it was out of the blue, it doesn't mean the game did not telegraph this throughout its plot. The DLC goes even deeper into Vergil's psyche, but the main game itself is enough to understand Vergil's actions at the end.
The problem with DmC is that you have to lay this out there in order for it to have proper context, because the proper context and buildup simply wasn't present in the game's narrative.
 
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