RDreamer

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Disney got major backlash from Native Americans(for good reason)the first time they did Pocahontas. I doubt they do it again in this climate.
It'd probably be like this. Heavily redone. They got backlash from China about the original Mulan so now they're doing it more in tune with the original story. Could do similarly with Pocahontas and consult with or get a Native American director/writer, etc.
 

Christo750

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This has me more excited than the other Disney live-action remakes. Take liberties, use the existing source material to make something different.

Looks like it could be a great movie.
 

Disco

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The training camp song is arguably a top 5 Disney song. Huge blow to this movie to not have that in here tbh

I guess it could be okay. Cant get any more boring than that Beauty and the Beast remake, at least this will have some martial arts in it
 

MillionIII

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What's the point in remaking if you're just doing the same movie? I applaud this one for going off course and trying something that may actually fit the new visual style.
Because a remake should take stuff from the original and improve on it, removing stuff is not much of an improvement...
They enjoy music, obviously. But clearly they didn't enjoy the 90's US pop ballads of the original, since the animated version flopped in that territory. This is an attempt to court that audience by doing a more traditional take on the legend.
That's a shame, the songs are kind of the soul of those movies.
 

RDreamer

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Because a remake should take stuff from the original and improve on it, removing stuff is not much of an improvement...
Not necessarily. Remakes can also be more of a re-envisioning. And you do take things out that don't fit and add things that do.

If you want the original + better and nothing else then that's a remaster. Completely changing visual style and shoehorning everything else in is just dumb.
 

Terraforce

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Because a remake should take stuff from the original and improve on it, removing stuff is not much of an improvement...

That's a shame, the songs are kind of the soul of those movies.
Removing things can be an improvement. Can't really say one way or the other based on a 1 minute teaser of an hour to two hour long movie.
 

Ashhong

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They enjoy music, obviously. But clearly they didn't enjoy the 90's US pop ballads of the original, since the animated version flopped in that territory. This is an attempt to court that audience by doing a more traditional take on the legend.
I may be crazy but I feel like they would like it now if it was in the movie.
 

hom3land

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Looks alright to me.. but seriously, when are we getting the live remake of the GOAT of Disney animated films, Lilo and Stitch .
 

Aine

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It doesn't look bad, but it doesn't stand out much compared to most wuxia films. Hopefully, that'll change once we see more.
 

MillionIII

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Not necessarily. Remakes can also be more of a re-envisioning. And you do take things out that don't fit and add things that do.

If you want the original + better and nothing else then that's a remaster. Completely changing visual style and shoehorning everything else in is just dumb.
This is not even the first live action mulan movie so Disney is not doing anything special here.
Removing things can be an improvement. Can't really say one way or the other based on a 1 minute teaser of an hour to two hour long movie.
Removing the oscar nominated ost is not an improvement, imagine if Aladdin or The lion king didn't have the music, no one wants that.
 

louisacommie

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Mulan 2020 is a reboot

not a remake

Disney is planning the same thing with the black couldren

a more accurate to the source material readaption that is hopefully of better quality.
 

RDreamer

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This is not even the first live action mulan movie so Disney is not doing anything special here.

This sounds like it'll be a much different movie. A more serious take on the original legend. So yes it is different. And I thought the other remakes were weird just shoving in the musical numbers nearly the same into an art style and mood that didn't fit. Movies should be cohesive.

I've seen Jungle Book and while it's not a bad movie the music doesn't work. Everything I saw of Lion King makes me feel the music will be radically out of place with the art style and I wish they had gone this route. I already have The Lion King and hell I've got The Lion King Broadway music too. I don't need it again shoved into a realistic animal movie.

Removing the oscar nominated ost is not an improvement, imagine if Aladdin or The lion king didn't have the music, no one wants that.
It's not "removing" to not have the same thing in a remake.
 

Zoe

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They enjoy music, obviously. But clearly they didn't enjoy the 90's US pop ballads of the original, since the animated version flopped in that territory. This is an attempt to court that audience by doing a more traditional take on the legend.
Except they can and have made their own more traditional takes without any worry of Hollywood leaking into the adaptation.
 

Terraforce

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This is not even the first live action mulan movie so Disney is not doing anything special here.

Removing the oscar nominated ost is not an improvement, imagine if Aladdin or The lion king didn't have the music, no one wants that.
It could be, this is all conjecture. Mulan is my sixth favorite movie of all time so no I don't think it will be better to me personally, but that only says so much. As said multiple times already, most of the Chinese audience hated the movie, in part due to the music. So to them a wuxian take is probably much improved.
 

Zukuu

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Looks way too serious. Seeing her actually killing people seems strange.

Also, there better be "be a man" in it.
 

Aexact

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It doesn't look bad, but it doesn't stand out much compared to most wuxia films. Hopefully, that'll change once we see more.
Yeah I think that's where I'm at. It looks like a wuxia movie but I wouldn't watch a wuxia movie on my own initiative. Different story for the Chinese audience though.

Awaiting reviews it is then!
 

lint2015

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I thought it was fine as a teaser. Did they previously confirm there would be no music from the original in this? Would be a mistake not to have the music from the originals.

I thought I heard traces and hints of Reflection in the teaser music though... am I the only one?
 

Yams

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It could be, this is all conjecture. Mulan is my sixth favorite movie of all time so no I don't think it will be better to me personally, but that only says so much. As said multiple times already, most of the Chinese audience hated the movie, in part due to the music. So to them a wuxian take is probably much improved.

They hated the music, the dragon, and key element left out of the story to make it for kids.

Btw everyone watch Mulan 2009. It's pretty entertaining
 

Sandfox

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Music is very big for the Disney movies, so this is disappointing. We'll see how the movie ends up being I guess.
 

GSG

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Don't understand the negative reaction, it looked fine to me, especially considering it's just a teaser.
 

Eggiem

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I still dont know why anyone needs these live action remakes. It's pure money making. Playing it safe. Creative bankruptcy. The old movies are fine and kids still like them, just hire more people and give us new stories, Disney!
 

Terraforce

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They hated the music, the dragon, and key element left out of the story to make it for kids.

Btw everyone watch Mulan 2009. It's pretty entertaining
Thanks for that. Didn't know Mushu was a point of contention, but makes sense considering how he was portrayed.
 

cognizant

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Both the trailer and poster threads on the Movies subreddit got locked because of racism. :|
 

AnansiThePersona

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After Mulan and the Little Mermaid, it's gonna be strange to see live-action Hercules and Tarzan movies in the next 5 years. And then Lilo and Stitch...
 

wandering

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Interesting to see a Disney movie that seems to not be aimed so much at Western audiences. Interesting to see people's reactions to that fact.


Also, for all of you who are all like "Mulan is synonymous with Mushu" you do realize that Mulan was a millennia old story before Disney ever got to it, right? Get over yourselves.
 

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I haven't actually seen any of the live action disney movies (though I did watch Lindsay Ellis' vid on beauty and the beast) but this looked better and more interesting than anything I've seen of those (which seem to all be largely trying to completely recreate the original animated film)
 

rude

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There is a really big cinematography problem with these live action movies between this and Aladdin. They do not look like the fantastical big-budget productions that they're supposed to be. Literal TV movie type of aesthetic.
 

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I dunno have to wait and see. Trailer was kinda bland.

That said everybody complaining about shot to shot remakes and the only Disney remake I rate at all is Jungle Book which is pretty much by the book remake. All the rest if they came on would give me inclination to turn them off and put on the animated movie instead whereas Jungle Book I think I'd enjoy them both because the tones and performances stand out.

Remake wise...
Cinderella, haven't seen it. Want to at some point.

Maleficent/Sleeping Beauty - Interesting idea wasted. The way the movie plays out just bored me. Half of the entire movie was told like a flashback.

Beauty and the Beast - Tried to be by the numbers remake but fluffed it up with a lot of kinda half thought extra content. Threw the pacing off for me and the performances were so-so. Rate it just OK but would absolutely rather watch the original. Remake seems messy and unfocused but looks beautiful I guess.

Dumbo - Not really shot for shot remake at all. Terrible script. The childrens dialogie sounds like it was written by children it was extremely wooden.

Aladdin - Only shot for shot for some scenes. Otherwise they took lots of liberties which didn't gel with me. Animals were not really used well, new songs didn't fit, felt like a Frozen scene at one point, Jafar seemed horribly cast Hakim seemed like he could fit a dark mysterious visor better, kinda was kinda dumbfounded at his casting and extra fluff seemed weak like Jafar wanting war with Jasmines mums country and Genie's
love interest.

For me the further they get from the source the worse movies they have been. Totally reimagining the story might work better though. The only thing that really bugged me about the trailer was Mulan doing the Chrouching Tiger sword moves. I always thought she was normal but had the tenacity to become a good swordsperson, trailer made her look like an unrealisticly epic king fu artist which feels kinds of works against the story being more grounded.
 
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