im not interested in being kept alive till scum can hammer me on the final day
im not interested in being kept alive till scum can hammer me on the final day
im not interested in being kept alive till scum can hammer me on the final day
All that's "going on regarding" me is that people are talking about me. There's not even a concrete case I can defend myself from. It's all conjecture.
Brazil You know Fando is town with about as much certainty that I know he's town. Like let's stop pretending that a night in a chat proved anything. I feel like if masons and cop hadn't been taken already, you'd be trying to claim one.
I also saw that dig, don't be mean, you were nicer in HvV
That's a decent number of people who don't have a vote down. Expect to swing things at the last minute again?
I mean, that's still over 50% of players who haven't shown their intent with the only power we have throughout the entire day phase.
We're not gonna turboThat's a decent number of people who don't have a vote down. Expect to swing things at the last minute again?
*that I know he's scum
Before someone gets clever with my typo.
But... I'm not talking about a turbo? We have people saying they'd "vote for someone" without actually voting for anyone. I guess I don't get it. I thought even pressure votes were a thing for those who aren't participating as much.We're not gonna turbo
No one has to vote yet
People are doing stuff
Slow the entirety of your roll
Do you want to claim something? Because the only ones that can say that are scum or a cop, and we already have a cop claim.
Brazil You know Fando is town with about as much certainty that I know he's town. Like let's stop pretending that a night in a chat proved anything. I feel like if masons and cop hadn't been taken already, you'd be trying to claim one.
I also saw that dig, don't be mean, you were nicer in HvV
My opinion of Fandorin isn't based on mechanics, but I don't feel the need to sugarcoat it. It is what it is.Stop talking in black-and-white: the only way you would "know" something is if you have more information than we do to work with.
Then look at the obvious links between those two players that have been brought up.Right now, we don't know that malus is scum, but we do now know that Faddy was.
You wanted to before. I'm just carrying it over. I don't know how you think everything is so cut and dried. I don't know how you were so confident in Faddy's scumminess, either. What I'm saying is I, at least, am not at all ready to vote. If you wanna try to mount some pressure votes, go for it. I tried it yesterday with LP. It amounted to nothing. I don't think it will mean anything here, either, because it will be fake pressure - and a pressure vote isn't announcing your intent, which is what you said you wanted, so what are you even trying to do here except lecture people for reasons?But... I'm not talking about a turbo? We have people saying they'd "vote for someone" without actually voting for anyone. I guess I don't get it. I thought even pressure votes were a thing for those who aren't participating as much.
You could try helping us find scum so that doesn't happen instead of just trying to get yourself misslynched if you are town.
Seems like a better plan to me.
I hate it too :( I'll spend the end of day tomorrow in a plane, too.Ties are good and fine early in the day. Febe's takes though are not so great.
Anything before this stuff is outdated and I don't care. Febe saying malus, Fandorin, OR Faddy is a whole ass thing though. I get that he's busy but in hindsight this reads like "whatever, lynch someone." But we know they weren't all town, because Faddy, and it seems unlikely both the other two are town. And what does this say about Brazil?
I don't know if Febe has been active enough to make a judgment about this either way. I find it really frustrating that we've got like five people who are doing so little that we're fumbling in the dark. Febe at least is trying, or appears to be, but this disengagement is the result. And lynching there doesn't even tell us anything; it puts us right back here where we are now.
Before is before, now is now. I'd appreciate it if you addressed what I actually say instead of trying to find fault in it because of something else I said before. I already acknowledged that we don't need to turbo anyone. That's fine, we'll wait until end of day, as per usual. But you really think that means people should wait until the last minute to put a vote down?You wanted to before. I'm just carrying it over. I don't know how you think everything is so cut and dried. I don't know how you were so confident in Faddy's scumminess, either. What I'm saying is I, at least, am not at all ready to vote. If you wanna try to mount some pressure votes, go for it. I tried it yesterday with LP. It amounted to nothing. I don't think it will mean anything here, either, because it will be fake pressure - and a pressure vote isn't announcing your intent, which is what you said you wanted, so what are you even trying to do here except lecture people for reasons?
Well then better not do it.
Are you just trying to see if you can claim Scum and still not get lynched today? Lolthe best play is to continue to follow my scum teams votes and not bus any of their fake claims
We're not remotely close to the last minute is what I'm saying. A hell of a lot of people need to show up and actually say something, too.Before is before, now is now. I'd appreciate it if you addressed what I actually say instead of trying to find fault in it because of something else I said before. I already acknowledged that we don't need to turbo anyone. That's fine, we'll wait until end of day, as per usual. But you really think that means people should wait until the last minute to put a vote down?
Precisely. We'll see what happens.We're not remotely close to the last minute is what I'm saying. A hell of a lot of people need to show up and actually say something, too.
Are you just trying to see if you can claim Scum and still not get lynched today? Lol
say it in the chat next time so i can do itAre you just trying to see if you can claim Scum and still not get lynched today? Lol
My opinion of Fandorin isn't based on mechanics, but I don't feel the need to sugarcoat it. It is what it is.
You've played with rac before right? He openly trolls when he's bored. It's NAI
Judging from my chat with him last night, he is amazed that he is still alive in this game.
You've played with rac before right? He openly trolls when he's bored. It's NAI
He usually dies D1/N1. The last time I played with him where he survived until later in the game (TMBG) he tried to solve the game.
Judging from my chat with him last night, he is amazed that he is still alive in this game.
Why? It isn't scummy.With how he is playing right now I will be amazed if this isn't the last time he will last so long.
Sorian, if you don't think Faddy was trying to force a Doctor claim at that point then what other alternative could there be besides trying to live? If that's the case then why would he try and force the counterwagon to be Fandorin if he is his teammate?Hmm, this is true. I don't really understand Faddy's play then. I get he wants to get lynched eventually for the utility but why ever do this claim exactly? I responded to Sawneeks down below before coming back up here to answer you but, yeah, if he goes into this thinking the claim is going to fail then it's malus, he removes his vote create more distance in terms of vote numbers and if he's counterclaimed, he definitely dies.
The only other thing I can think of is, they were hoping the doctor wouldn't straight out claim immediately.
I don't think he was trying to force a doctor claim anymore. I specifically thought that because maybe Ket had been blocking kills but we still only have 1 death last night. This means Faddy just lucked out in guessing she targeted cabot N1 (Bae on N2 is obvious). Without those prior blocks, a doctor wouldn't be as annoying so why sacrifice a scum member to put that?
What it comes down to me is who's voting where and and my other reads. I just find it hard to believe those three wagons form naturally with only one scum on them. Faddy and Fandorin both end up on malus (Faddy for no reason at all since he was reading them both the same) and Fandorin at least put out more reasoning if I remember right but not by much and when he voted he basically pushes himself out of contention, he was the last vote on malus and pushed him into solid second place.
Well for one thing, he couldn't force a tie, he was already voting for malus. He leaves the malus vote to go vote Fandorin. It also doesn't read to me like he was trying to save himself, the numbers just weren't there, even with his move, he still needed three more people to vote Fandorin and everyone seemed pretty content where they were.
Yes Neeks! See the light!
I've talked about this with Brazil on our chat, but after last phase this is the second time a scum member comes up with a town read on me and stubbornly mentions it time and time again without actually explaining it.
I mean, Faddy isn't known for making reads lists on everyone, but he didn't really have much to say about me. This is the earliest mention Faddy makes of me, he says that he could see me using the leader power in a similar way than him, and quite a bit later he votes for me on post #1292, saying that I was evaluating the thread the same way he did. After that I'm pretty sure he just threw an off-handed "Fand is still ok to me" without actually entertaining what I posted or even commenting the cases Neeks and Monkey made on me last phase. He didn't really care about his town read on me and was perfectly content on seeing me getting wagon behind me last phase.
And well, look at these posts.
Flux looks at the vote tally and says that I'm probably not getting lynched and pushes malus to vote for Faddy to limit the wagons and remove me from contention.
Faddy really doesn't like it and puts a vote on me, trying to maintain the 3 wagons alive. Notice that he tried entertaining a Flux/Fandorin link but that came out of nowhere and stayed there.
It is pretty clear to me that he didn't want the voting to be between him and malus, to the point that he ignored his game long inexplicable town read on me and added a vote to the pile he himself called garbage.
He never followed up on this either, considering he was voting for me then. I bet he would just say that he kept his vote on me to see movement, but we know that's bullshit.
No, I think it's one or the other. Don't think it's both.Both of them? Do you actually believe that we had 3 scum wagons yesterday?
no thanks would not like a lynch for my birthday.Unless the goal was to do the bomb. I don't think Faddy wanted to self preserve. The more I look back at his posts, the more I think he was purposely embracing fuckery to look scummy. Over night I kept asking myself why Faddy would play so differently. He's self aware enough to cover his tracks as scum and he didn't, from the beginning. Which does, I think, lend itself to either malus or Fandorin being scum who also got caught out yesterday. I find there are more ways to tie Fandorin to the mess than malus, but that's where I'm gonna start today.
Also, good morning, and happy birthday, Sneeks. Do you want to be lynched for your birthday?
I want it via interpretive dance, thanks in advance.
To add a couple insights since I don't recall Faddy posting his read list in this thread - early in the day he listed malus in his town reads and Fandorin in his null reads. His reasoning for the malus town read was that his gut was telling him malus is town and that he liked his dumb graph.
Votes pre-claimsplosion.
(in reference to Flux)
Doc claim
Faddy posts this. Brazil mentions he (Faddy) is also voting for Fandorin.
Faddy's reply:
Ket counterclaims
And then the shift starts
Now, reading this over I figured it went differently than what memory told me. The easiest thing Faddy could have done here was vote for Malus to save his own skin but he didn't, instead he went in on Fandorin. Which is weird considering we have this from earlier that same Phase:
And then I went and looked over every single one of Faddy's posts the last Phase. I picked out a couple of notable ones but what is shockingly absent is any talk of Fandorin when he was a big portion of the discussion during the last Phase. He never even talks about him outside of one post and it's hardly anything.
He just votes here and leaves it, doesn't do much else with this Brazil thought. Note apparently the Brazil scumread was strong enough to make him hesitate to vote Malus despite, well, voting for Malus at one point.
One of the few times he talks to or about Fandorin is this post. He asks Fandorin if he believes the push on him to be real or not.
All of this is honestly making me lean moreso towards Malus than it is for Fandorin. Sorian I know you're a big pusher for yesterday being Scum v Scum with Fandorin/Faddy so I'm curious for your take on this. I know you have a post detailing how Scum!Faddy places a vote on his scumbuddy Fandorin here but I'm actually having trouble seeing it when looking at it in this way. This looks to me like he stepped over his scumbuddy Malus, not Fandorin.
Though the bigger hang up is Faddy just ignoring everything Fandorin related for the Day Phase but with votes that close at the end I don't quite get why he votes there. :/
if i wake up tomorrow to posts of 'see, sneeks is scum she's backing away from fando knowing it will backfire on her!' i'll disown all of you
it's a legitimate question i'm asking here. with votes that close having Faddy vote on the lower contender instead of the higher one which he could have done to save himself makes little sense unless there was a reason he didn't. I went back and looked over sorian's post this phase and he says this
I'm coming to a different conclusion. The Fandorin vote smelled a bit like self-preservation that never sticks and then he goes full claim.
If Fando and Faddy were scummates why would Faddy throw him under the bus here in order to try and save himself? Better course of action would have been to go for Malus and force a tie, then claim. But he didn't.
im starting to think i may be wrong about fandorin oh god
Rereading and this caught my eye and it's related to the Malus post I wanna highlight in a bit so o want to mark it.Because if one of you flips town, those openly planted scum links will unravel, and we'll be able to accurately determine what they are instead of merely speculating.
Like it or not, you're at the center of the discussion now along with Fandorin. This means that flipping either of you will shed a ton of light into what's actually been going down. That conclusion regarding a Fandorin flip or one of yourself is very disingenuous; there's so much more going down than simply Faddy (as I pointed out previously myself). And there's much more going on regarding you than me.
It's kind of bewildering you think that a malus flip would help us more than flipping you or Fandorin. Do you honestly think, for the sake of town, that there'd be more info to gain from him than flipping either of you? And, again, I'm not even addressing this day phase, but your doomsday scenario in which we flipped malus, he turned out to be town, and we "lost."
Honestly, I'm just not interested in the argument against malus. I will check it out, but it was suspicious as hell when I saw him rising the ranks as misdirection for the actual lynch last day phase, and it remains as such this day phase. It's just noise, and no one who's being generally town read is biting it.
This is outright wrong. Faddy's flip relates to a lot of what I'm posting.
Alright, so help me out here. I've taken a second look at everything, and I'm still not seeing what you're seeing. Is this strong Faddy and malus connection just the fact that Faddy had listed malus high up in the list of people he would kill, and then dropped him (along with some others) later on?Then look at the obvious links between those two players that have been brought up.
Yeah, I said something similar earlier. And the fact that malus didn't like it later I think speaks to him being genuine and not used to the community. He was putting his thoughts out, unfiltered. That's not a scum tendency.Alright, so help me out here. I've taken a second look at everything, and I'm still not seeing what you're seeing. Is this strong Faddy and malus connection just the fact that Faddy had listed malus high up in the list of people he would kill, and then dropped him (along with some others) later on?
The only convincing point I'm seeing is hat quick vote for Pirate Bae associated with the graph. I was fine with the graph at the time, but looking back, that vote is pretty bad. But I myself didn't really consider the importance of a locked vote phase, and there had been Fran and his override anyways. It was kinda like Day 1 part 2, in that sense.
I'd like to see whatever strong link between malus and scum I'm apparently overlooking.
No, he never mentions it in the boat at least. After I finished my ISO of malus I mentioned it in the boat as an aside, but he never directly responded to it. I don't recall if he gave much more than weak reasoning in the thread or not. I just assumed he was hoping to avoid verifying himself at the time.good morning. skimmed a bit, sorry. (4 pages is a lot)
Sorian, if you don't think Faddy was trying to force a Doctor claim at that point then what other alternative could there be besides trying to live? If that's the case then why would he try and force the counterwagon to be Fandorin if he is his teammate?
I don't understand your logic here. If he wasn't trying to force a Doctor claim then he was trying to stay alive, making his vote one of self preservation.
No, I think it's one or the other. Don't think it's both.
no thanks would not like a lynch for my birthday.
See, this kind of logic I can understand. Sorian's makes no sense going after Fando if he thinks Faddy tried to keep himself alive.
Well that makes his Malus vote even weirder. Did he ever say why he switched on it?
"Later" lolYeah, I said something similar earlier. And the fact that malus didn't like it later I think speaks to him being genuine and not used to the community. He was putting his thoughts out, unfiltered. That's not a scum tendency.
i think it's hard to get anything out of what faddy did at eodI want @malus @Kyanrute @rac and @Lone_Prodigy thoughts on what I said about the votes for Day End yesterday.