Sounds like I am getting back into comics. What is the best way to go about buying new releases on my iPad? Just the Marvel app?
Makes me want to bash my head inI'm amazed at how many people in this thread just flat-out lack a basic grasp of how superhero comics work.
So just to be clear: I don't read comics. If I wanted to start and be there from the beginning of a story, I should wait for there first issue of this relaunched X-men? Or do I start with this power of x thing?
periodpeople not excited about this don't realise Hickman isnt just another writer.
Or rather, they don't realise what he did with his Fantastic Four / Future Foundation -> Avengers / New Avengers (notice how it's always 2 concurrent books, just like these X books) -> Secret Wars years long run. It doesnt matter if you like or dont like the F4. It doesnt matter if you like or dont like the Avengers. Neither did I, and the whole thing is simply the best comic book arc I have ever read in my 40 years of living.
This shit was so masterfully done across different books / series, over many years, tying it all together beautifully. That is why there is so much hype for this. Will it deliver? No idea, but I remember even years ago peeps in the comic thread saying / joking "please do for the X-Men what you did for F4/Avengers Hickman" and now, years later, it's a literal dream come true.
Go get a MU sub or something and read that shit, its worth the $10.
Start with House of X and Powers of X (this last one actually means "ten", from the Roman number X).So just to be clear: I don't read comics. If I wanted to start and be there from the beginning of a story, I should wait for there first issue of this relaunched X-men? Or do I start with this power of x thing?
The first issues are at least.
Heh this was precisely the era I got back into X-men real hard, but they kept pulling me into so many of the sidebooks via crossovers and side characters I wanted to see that it got overwhelming. I'll say there's a pretty easy to follow throughline from Messiah Complex through a couple of the bigger events (Messiah Complex, Messiah War, Second Coming, Remender's Uncanny X-Force, then lastly Schism) that will lead you into the "Wolverine and the X-Men" title where Wolvie took over for Charles leading the school and it was probably the most fun X-men book I ever read. Uncanny X-force is an 11/10 comic book that should be read by everybody, even if you have to sift through some wikipedia entries to learn some backstory on characters like Angel and the Age of Apocalypse.I'm down. I tried to get back into X-men after messiah complex and it was just waaaay too fucking hard to follow.
So Bendis had the keys for half a decade and didn't produce anything really noteworthy? That's really a shame. I guess instead of catching up on the last 5 years of X-Men comics, I'll follow the Hickman saga guide posted above and catch up on those runs of FF and Avengers that I missed instead.Not really. There's a few things here and there but you'd do better just waiting for House of X and Power of X to start.
So Bendis had the keys for half a decade and didn't produce anything really noteworthy? That's really a shame. I guess instead of catching up on the last 5 years of X-Men comics, I'll follow the Hickman saga guide posted above and catch up on those runs of FF and Avengers that I missed instead.
Heh this was precisely the era I got back into X-men real hard, but they kept pulling me into so many of the sidebooks via crossovers and side characters I wanted to see that it got overwhelming. I'll say there's a pretty easy to follow throughline from Messiah Complex through a couple of the bigger events (Messiah Complex, Messiah War, Second Coming, Remender's Uncanny X-Force, then lastly Schism) that will lead you into the "Wolverine and the X-Men" title where Wolvie took over for Charles leading the school and it was probably the most fun X-men book I ever read. Uncanny X-force is an 11/10 comic book that should be read by everybody, even if you have to sift through some wikipedia entries to learn some backstory on characters like Angel and the Age of Apocalypse.
So Bendis had the keys for half a decade and didn't produce anything really noteworthy? That's really a shame. I guess instead of catching up on the last 5 years of X-Men comics, I'll follow the Hickman saga guide posted above and catch up on those runs of FF and Avengers that I missed instead.
Heh this was precisely the era I got back into X-men real hard, but they kept pulling me into so many of the sidebooks via crossovers and side characters I wanted to see that it got overwhelming. I'll say there's a pretty easy to follow throughline from Messiah Complex through a couple of the bigger events (Messiah Complex, Messiah War, Second Coming, Remender's Uncanny X-Force, then lastly Schism) that will lead you into the "Wolverine and the X-Men" title where Wolvie took over for Charles leading the school and it was probably the most fun X-men book I ever read. Uncanny X-force is an 11/10 comic book that should be read by everybody, even if you have to sift through some wikipedia entries to learn some backstory on characters like Angel and the Age of Apocalypse.
So Bendis had the keys for half a decade and didn't produce anything really noteworthy? That's really a shame. I guess instead of catching up on the last 5 years of X-Men comics, I'll follow the Hickman saga guide posted above and catch up on those runs of FF and Avengers that I missed instead.
Joe Mad and LiQuid! are responsible for some of my favorite PSM covers of the 90s. This is exactly the origin of my name
start with the house of x / powers of x 12 issue mini series, then the relaunched #1 that follows
all of these will be 1 story, written by 1 guy
I'm confused. Why wouldn't I just start with the relaunch instead of reading House of x?
Think of it like: House of X/Powers of X is the prologue. The relaunched #1 book is chapter 1.I'm confused. Why wouldn't I just start with the relaunch instead of reading House of x? Or is house of x actually part of the relaunch? If so why isn't it considered issue 1?
I'm confused. Why wouldn't I just start with the relaunch instead of reading House of x? Or is house of x actually part of the relaunch? If so why isn't it considered issue 1?
Think of it like: House of X/Powers of X is the prologue. The relaunched #1 book is chapter 1.
Ohhhhh!!!! Ok thank you that makes sense. It was starting to sound like house of X was like the wrap up story for the current universe and maybe somehow soft rebooted it (ala Star Trek 2009)
So question then, what happens to the current X-men universe? Do they just abandon all stories and say "and they all lived happily ever after" or do they try writing some sort of series finale to tie up any loose ends?
It's not a reboot like that. Just think of it as a new season of a serialized TV show, with House/Powers of X being a big season premiere. That's probably the most simple way of looking at it: last season's storyline is over, a new one starts, so if you want you can just jump in this season instead without watching the seasons before.Ohhhhh!!!! Ok thank you that makes sense. It was starting to sound like house of X was like the wrap up story for the current universe and maybe somehow soft rebooted it (ala Star Trek 2009)
So question then, what happens to the current X-men universe? Do they just abandon all stories and say "and they all lived happily ever after" or do they try writing some sort of series finale to tie up any loose ends?
These comics have been building on each other for almost 60 years. They very rarely just drop or overwrite continuity that comes before. They may ignore certain things they don't like or they don't want to deal with, they may draw on several things already established, but Hickman will likely provide small synopses of these key things, so you don't have to delve into hundreds of back issues unless you want to.
Ohh :( very sad. I thought they meant this would be a 100% fresh start. I was so excited to start something from the beginning and see what they do with a fresh start. Oh well.
And this is why I hate American comics. Endless reboots. Retcons galore. It's pointless trying to follow a storyline.
Ohh :( very sad. I thought they meant this would be a 100% fresh start. I was so excited to start something from the beginning and see what they do with a fresh start. Oh well.
Since this is clearly going to involve some sort of major retcon(s) to the history and possibly nature of mutants in the Marvel Universe, I hope Hickman or one of the writers following him takes the opportunity to undo the Quicksilver/Scarlet Witch parentage retcon from a few years back.
Not really, but there are OP mutants and other entities out there that can be used or created for the same effect.
This list encouraged me to do something I never done before: reading all the Hickman's Marvel material back to back. I'm currently about to start Secret Warriors #2, but decided to give a quick reading to Secret Invasion again to set the mood.people not excited about this don't realise Hickman isnt just another writer.
Or rather, they don't realise what he did with his Fantastic Four / Future Foundation -> Avengers / New Avengers (notice how it's always 2 concurrent books, just like these X books) -> Secret Wars years long run. It doesnt matter if you like or dont like the F4. It doesnt matter if you like or dont like the Avengers. Neither did I, and the whole thing is simply the best comic book arc I have ever read in my 40 years of living.
This shit was so masterfully done across different books / series, over many years, tying it all together beautifully. That is why there is so much hype for this. Will it deliver? No idea, but I remember even years ago peeps in the comic thread saying / joking "please do for the X-Men what you did for F4/Avengers Hickman" and now, years later, it's a literal dream come true.
Go get a MU sub or something and read that shit, its worth the $10.
AiPT!: That's good to hear. Steven (@stevenxvision) wanted to know what X-Men runs or story arcs are considered essential reading ahead of House of X and Powers of X.
Jonathan: It's tough to say because I'm in it so deep right now, but I'm pretty sure that you can pick these books up cold. I'm sure, because I simply don't like to do this because of how it ruins the dialogue, that there will be instances where I could be labeling characters better, but that doesn't really have anything to do with previous runs.
I will say that in re-reading everything, probably the most criminally underrated X-Men writer is Mike Carey. I mean, it's obvious that Mike is brilliant, but there are a lot of things buried in his books that are tier-one ideas that writers following him must have just blown right past.
Conceptually, that "Supernovas" stuff is great.
AiPT!: Well, speaking of all those characters, Julian Keller (@alittlebittorn) asked if HOX and POX will feature core X-Men teams.
Jonathan: HOX and POX aren't really structured that way in that they're not really stories about teams or missions. Saying that, they have teams and missions, but it's not the point.
Going forward, however, I think the idea of 'teams' and 'schools' and other 'ways to get things done' aren't necessarily the kind of things that we want to hold too tight to. I don't want to give the game away, so I'm not going to say anymore, but we won't be doing 'gold' and 'blue' teams in the traditional manner.
Who's that in the middle? Why are there 6 of her and why is one of them....Apocalypse?
I think its Moira Mactaggert. Could be wrong.Who's that in the middle? Why are there 6 of her and why is one of them....Apocalypse?
AiPT!: That was beautiful. Gavin Higginbotham (@GavHigginbotham) was curious, when assembling your X-Men story, just how much back material did you read for research?
Jonathan: I've had a pretty good idea of what I would do with the X-Men for a few years now. Most of those general plans can be found in the upcoming Powers of X book. The House of X stuff came about when it became clear just how much bandwidth we'd have inside of both Marvel and the X-Office.
I mean, there's a pretty massive difference between planning for a single book and the direction of an entire line. So I took about five months and did a bunch of re-reading, quite a bit of outlining, I wrote a bunch of documents for both Marvel editorial and the upcoming writers. It was quite a lot.
Any homework that needed to be done was.
Yep. Not to mention Heroes Reborn.Nah. Marvel doesn't do that either their main universe. That's the appeal of it. What happened, happened.
They tried to do a "fresh start" with the Ultimate Universe and that was eventually cancelled.
Yep. Not to mention Heroes Reborn.
I'm always for keeping things in continuity. The good writers know how to use details from the old stories just enough to keep things surprising and interesting without alienating people who haven't read those. Reading back issues is way less important than it appears to be. And nowadays there's always the wikis too for any obscure tidbit.
Clean reboots always end up falling on the trap of redoing the old stories again and it gets stale super fast. The Ultimate universe is likely the most successful one and it was indeed great for a while, but even then it became obsolete after the main universe started employing the same elements that worked there.
Comixology for new issues. Marvel Unlimited is great for its catalog of back-issues, but it takes anywhere from 6 months to a year before a new issue gets added.
I was searching his runs earlier today (this article), but I had a time figuring out where to start and what to get. I would like it, if there are collected graphic novels of his stuff on Comixology. And Rogue is one of my favorites; and I read he made her the "leader," and in actual control of her powers.Carey's run was so good and I'm mad people never recommended it to me. Only Rogue fans know it's worth.