Media Create Sales: Week 17, 2020 (Apr 20 - Apr 26)

Xevross · Apr 30, 2020

Holy crap what an amazing week for everything. Nice to see the FF7 Remake hold, it shows stock was the big issue last week and legs could be good (by JRPG standards). Animal Crossing is just god-like, this run will be remembered for years and years. Switch HW with an amazing boost and PS4 holding like a champ. Awesome to see.

Gotdatmoney · Apr 30, 2020

Dash Kappei said:
What do you guys think a non-timed (console-only) Switch SD3/ToM exclusive would have done in its FW?

How do you see the fact that despite Switch now sitting at about 3.5M above PS4 with the latter's userbase at just 67% of the Switch's total and with significantly less healthy software sales, SWITCH SD3 retail numbers are still 15% lower than PS4 SD3?

I know we're used to look at it positively when Nintendo's consoles manage to sell a 3rd party game on par with Playstation's, but should that really still be the case? When does it start to be more disappointing than it is positive for a core 3rd party game to perform "just" the same on NSW?

I see that through years of consistently getting the majority of the 3rd party support Sony systems are still stronger initially for this type of mid tier suport.

I also see that it's eroding and that as long as Nintendo releases a system capable of getting these types of games the splits will generally lean more in their favor.

You need to remember, Nintendo systems have never been the beneficiary of this amount of third party mid tier support. Takes time to build an audience but the numbers show it is coming along. All these numbers say to me is releasing exclusives is dumb.

Trrzs · Apr 30, 2020

This is only physical sales right? Animal Crossing is an unbelievable case, even for the most successful franchises in the industry. I'm pretty excited for Nintendo quarter results.

Soph · Apr 30, 2020

Shame SE botched the stock of the switch version of Trials of Mana, are restocks coming in too late again or are signs more positive this time around?

Onix555 · Apr 30, 2020

Dash Kappei said:
What do you guys think a non-timed (console-only) Switch SD3/ToM exclusive would have done in its FW?

How do you see the fact that despite Switch now sitting at about 3.5M above PS4 with the latter's userbase at just 67% of the Switch's total and with significantly less healthy software sales, SWITCH SD3 retail numbers are still 15% lower than PS4 SD3?

I know we're used to look at it positively when Nintendo's consoles manage to sell a 3rd party game on par with Playstation's, but should that really still be the case? When does it start to be more disappointing than it is positive for a core 3rd party game to perform "just" the same on NSW?

It sold out though, if SE want it sell more they need to produce more copies.
Not just Japan either, basically sold out in the West too. I imagine if you look at the WW figures, Trials would be higher on Switch.

Ryng™ · Apr 30, 2020

3DS VS Switch peak year

Code:

|----|--------------------|--------------------|
|    |         3DS        |      Switch        |
|----|----------|---------|---------|----------|
|Week|  Weekly  |  2012   |  Weekly |   2020   |
|----|----------|---------|---------|----------|
|  01|   203.605|  203.605|  284.827|   284.827|
|  02|   257.377|  460.982|  116.301|   401.128|
|  03|   101.697|  562.679|   96.458|   497.586|
|  04|    77.519|  640.198|   67.987|   565.573|
|  05|    81.699|  721.897|   75.922|   641.495|
|  06|    69.180|  791.077|  100.961|   741.456|
|  07|    60.231|  851.308|   80.312|   821.768|
|  08|    88.909|  940.217|   41.490|   863.258|
|  09|    72.032|1.012.249|   53.098|   916.356|
|  10|    71.797|1.084.046|   50.585|   967.941|
|  11|    63.717|1.147.763|   57.274| 1.025.215|
|  12|    63.746|1.211.509|  392.576| 1.417.791|
|  13|    94.776|1.306.285|  282.561| 1.700.352|
|  14|   118.072|1.424.357|  154.640| 1.854.992|
|  15|    67.312|1.491.970|   25.313| 1.880.305|
|  16|    62.653|1.554.623|   27.874| 1.908.179|
|  17|    80.561|1.635.184|  107.104| 2.015.284|
|----|----------|---------|---------|----------|

Switch need an avg. of 103.186 units for the next 35 weeks to beat 3DS peak year.

Kerotan · Apr 30, 2020

Super hold for FF7. PS4 hardware is excellent too. It's back above 250k ahead of the ps3 aligned and the ps3 just had it's holiday period. At it's current price the ps4 has no right to be selling this well so late in the gen. It's now ~900k short of the Holy grail. I'm confident it will be ahead of the ps3 aligned when the generation ends which would mean growth.

Trials of mana doing 80k was impressive too. I didn't expect it to go that high. Probably 100k+ with digital.

Oregano · Apr 30, 2020

Dash Kappei said:
What do you guys think a non-timed (console-only) Switch SD3/ToM exclusive would have done in its FW?

How do you see the fact that despite Switch now sitting at about 3.5M above PS4 with the latter's userbase at just 67% of the Switch's total and with significantly less healthy software sales, SWITCH SD3 retail numbers are still 15% lower than PS4 SD3?

I know we're used to look at it positively when Nintendo's consoles manage to sell a 3rd party game on par with Playstation's, but should that really still be the case? When does it start to be more disappointing than it is positive for a core 3rd party game to perform "just" the same on NSW?

It should probably start taking the lead if it doesn't then yeah it's not great, though it's worth noting that according to Dengeki the majority of multiplatform sales happen on Switch in the long run.

H-I-M · Apr 30, 2020

PS4 being consistent 👏🏾

Deleted member 65994 · Apr 30, 2020

Kerotan said:
Super hold for FF7. PS4 hardware is excellent too. It's back above 250k ahead of the ps3 aligned and the ps3 just had it's holiday period. At it's current price the ps4 has no right to be selling this well so late in the gen. It's now ~900k short of the Holy grail. I'm confident it will be ahead of the ps3 aligned when the generation ends which would mean growth.

Trials of mana doing 80k was impressive too. I didn't expect it to go that high. Probably 100k+ with digital.

Not sure if I am right, but isnt their a bundel out their with a free copy of FF7r, which is valued 8.000 yen. which actually means it's 25% discounted?

Einbroch · Apr 30, 2020

MANA IS BACK BABY

Forkball · Apr 30, 2020

Switch feasting. Golden Week sales should be fun. Very interested to see the worldwide Switch software numbers the next financial briefing.

Skittzo · Apr 30, 2020

Chris1964 said:
Lotteries have made Switch shipments a wild card but hints are that current week has significantly bigger restocks with all the advertising they have gotten.

Significantly bigger than last week? So we would be probably looking at 150k+?

rAndom · Apr 30, 2020

Animal crossing continuing its crazy streak.

K Samedi · Apr 30, 2020

Trials of Mana did excellent.
AC might have gone over 6 million already.

Zedark · Apr 30, 2020

Everything is good this week, good to see! FFVIIR holding strongly (as new stock came in I suppose), same with ACNH, and Trails of Mana R with the brilliant debut of 150k across both systems! Well deserved for a great remake!

Switch hardware saw a really nice bump, and that's before Golden Week. My guess is they'll have even more units in the next two weeks, so that's great! PS4 HW holding well, too.

Chris1964 · Apr 30, 2020

Famitsu basically confirmed what was already speculated for next reports.

May 11 to 13 - Week 18 software top 30
May 14 - Week 18+19 combined hardware+software top 10
May 15 - Week 19 software top 30

KillerMan91 · Apr 30, 2020

Mikch85 said:
FF7R really dug the PS4 out of the grave. Still can't believe there was no special edition. Happy for Trials, seems like the series has a future after all.

I mean while FF7R sales probably still boost PS4 sales somewhat I would say PS4 sales remaining high (for its standards) has more to do with Covid pandemic boost.

hiska-kun · Apr 30, 2020

delete12345 said:
Question: May I ask if you could add NDS to this chart? I'm curious to see where Switch compares to NDS.

NDS was over 21m by this time.

Deleted member 2791 · Apr 30, 2020

Soph said:
Shame SE botched the stock of the switch version of Trials of Mana, are restocks coming in too late again or are signs more positive this time around?

The game being out of stock doesn't mean the release is botched. JRPG and core-focused games being OOS is the norm and actual good signs.

Ryng™ · Apr 30, 2020

Chris1964 said:
Famitsu basically confirmed what was already speculated for next reports.

May 11 to 13 - Week 18 software top 30
May 14 - Week 18+19 combined hardware+software top 10
May 15 - Week 19 software top 30

I can't wait so much fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck

zroid · Apr 30, 2020

(reply to post from last week's thread)

Andri said:
I kinda get the argument though.

Vita fans are totally crazy, and most of them probably own a Switch at this point.
So you release a game on Vita, which every crazy Vita fanboy notices since its the first release in months.
They look at the game, and might decide to buy it on a device that isnt old and dead, so they get the switch version.

this is definitely something unique to the Vita. it wouldn't have had this effect on, say, the 3DS, even though the 3DS is in a similar position to the Vita at this point (but with a much larger installed base). the premise may be Galaxy Brain, but if it worked, it worked. If the game was bad, not even the Vita fanboys would have taken to it, and then it would have been truly sent to die, so kudos to them for having the confidence in their product to execute their plan

Ryng™ · Apr 30, 2020

KillerMan91 said:
I mean while FF7R sales probably still boost PS4 sales somewhat I would say PS4 sales remaining high (for its standards) has more to do with Covid pandemic boost.

yup, people some times completely forget about that lol.

zroid · Apr 30, 2020

Chris1964 said:
06./19. [NSW] Ring Fit Adventure <HOB> (Nintendo) {2019.10.18} (¥7.980) - 12.351 / 778.943 (+232%)

also, great week all around for software. fantastic holds for AC and FF, awesome debut for ToM, too bad about the stock issues

Tbone5189 · Apr 30, 2020

Anybody still doubting 7mil by end of June??? (ACNH)

Skittzo · Apr 30, 2020

Tbone5189 said:
Anybody still doubting 7mil by end of June??? (ACNH)

Hell that might happen by the end of May at this rate.

sfortunato · Apr 30, 2020

zero_suit said:
I'm assuming you're excluding the peak for the DS? It sold over 8M one year.

Of course, DS was crazy back then. I'm not saying that Switch could sustain such high sales all year long but that in this period, if supply was there, Switch could have definitely seen 150k+ units on a weekly basis, like DS in 2006.

Dash Kappei said:
What do you guys think a non-timed (console-only) Switch SD3/ToM exclusive would have done in its FW?

How do you see the fact that despite Switch now sitting at about 3.5M above PS4 with the latter's userbase at just 67% of the Switch's total and with significantly less healthy software sales, SWITCH SD3 retail numbers are still 15% lower than PS4 SD3?

I know we're used to look at it positively when Nintendo's consoles manage to sell a 3rd party game on par with Playstation's, but should that really still be the case? When does it start to be more disappointing than it is positive for a core 3rd party game to perform "just" the same on NSW?

PS4 userbase doesn't disappear overnight. PS4 is still a popular platform among jRPG gamers (after all, mainline FF and DQ are there). Hence, PS4 still carries some weight in total sales for such games, like Trials of Mana. The fact that Switch has a higher userbase doesn't matter much in the end given the genre. A life-sim? A platform? A party game? Sales on Switch would be definitely much higher. A jRPG? Sales across the two platforms will be much more similar.

In fact, I'm surprised that Switch version is so close. We all remember multiplatform jRPG or anime games from 3DS-PSV or Wii-PS3 era and how those sold on Nintendo platforms. Switch is a huge improvement. Adding to that, we have seen how Western markets tend to favor Switch for this type of releases. Overall, the result is super-positive. In fact, I'm expecting by the end of the year most of multiplatform games to sell better on Switch FW and LTD as well.

RPGamer2 · Apr 30, 2020

sfortunato said:
Of course, DS was crazy back then. I'm not saying that Switch could sustain such high sales all year long but that in this period, if supply was there, Switch could have definitely seen 150k+ units on a weekly basis, like DS in 2006.

PS4 userbase doesn't disappear overnight. PS4 is still a popular platform among jRPG gamers (after all, mainline FF and DQ are there). Hence, PS4 still carries some weight in total sales for such games, like Trials of Mana. The fact that Switch has a higher userbase doesn't matter much in the end given the genre. A life-sim? A platform? A party game? Sales on Switch would be definitely much higher. A jRPG? Sales across the two platforms will be much more similar.

In fact, I'm surprised that Switch version is so close. We all remember multiplatform jRPG or anime games from 3DS-PSV or Wii-PS3 era and how those sold on Nintendo platforms. Switch is a huge improvement. Adding to that, we have seen how Western markets tend to favor Switch for this type of releases. Overall, the result is super-positive. In fact, I'm expecting by the end of the year most of multiplatform games to sell better on Switch FW and LTD as well.

If that wasn't the case that would be a problem. As the guy already stated, the Switch stands at 3.5 million above the PS4, the PS4 is in its final year, has a replacement coming and its userbase is not as active.

NintenDuvo08 · Apr 30, 2020

So the reason Trials of Mana didn't do better is because Square Enix underestimated the demand for the game on Switch???

RPGamer2 · Apr 30, 2020

Oregano said:
It should probably start taking the lead if it doesn't then yeah it's not great, though it's worth noting that according to Dengeki the majority of multiplatform sales happen on Switch in the long run.

Small majority. The split was 57/43 (iirc) and with the number of titles that have the same release date between the PS4 and Switch, that number can skew easily. When was the last time Dengeki updated that stat? There have been a number of games where the PS4 started and has maintained the lead over the Switch in multiplatform games like Persona 5 Scramble and One Piece.

Anth0ny · Apr 30, 2020

Jesus christ AC

ACL · Apr 30, 2020

3rd parties and especially Squaresoft did their best to built a RPG userbase on Playstation systems, since PS1 days. Acting surprised that RPGs sell on Playstation systems is hilarius, especially with FF7R very recently giving another boost to the RPG userbase-ecosystem on PS4.

Tbone5189 · Apr 30, 2020

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Ryng said:

3DS VS Switch peak year

Code:

|----|--------------------|--------------------|
|    |         3DS        |      Switch        |
|----|----------|---------|---------|----------|
|Week|  Weekly  |  2012   |  Weekly |   2020   |
|----|----------|---------|---------|----------|
|  01|   203.605|  203.605|  284.827|   284.827|
|  02|   257.377|  460.982|  116.301|   401.128|
|  03|   101.697|  562.679|   96.458|   497.586|
|  04|    77.519|  640.198|   67.987|   565.573|
|  05|    81.699|  721.897|   75.922|   641.495|
|  06|    69.180|  791.077|  100.961|   741.456|
|  07|    60.231|  851.308|   80.312|   821.768|
|  08|    88.909|  940.217|   41.490|   863.258|
|  09|    72.032|1.012.249|   53.098|   916.356|
|  10|    71.797|1.084.046|   50.585|   967.941|
|  11|    63.717|1.147.763|   57.274| 1.025.215|
|  12|    63.746|1.211.509|  392.576| 1.417.791|
|  13|    94.776|1.306.285|  282.561| 1.700.352|
|  14|   118.072|1.424.357|  154.640| 1.854.992|
|  15|    67.312|1.491.970|   25.313| 1.880.305|
|  16|    62.653|1.554.623|   27.874| 1.908.179|
|  17|    80.561|1.635.184|  107.104| 2.015.284|
|----|----------|---------|---------|----------|

Switch need an avg. of 103.186 units for the next 35 weeks to beat 3DS peak year.

Click to shrink...

got a slightly good suggestion, for your avg weekly sales, do an average of the next 31 weeks instead and have a separate week avg for holiday W49-52 so then it becomes more clear of what's to sell.

when combining holiday sales, it fluctuates the weekly avg to an extent

PedroRVD · Apr 30, 2020

Animal Crossing numbers are stupid.

Nintendo is no doubt the big loser against coronavirus. So many games and consoles it could be selling ... it's really sad.

Lite_Agent · Apr 30, 2020

Switch already at 2m YTD. Crazy 3m could come even before Q2.

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Hey hiska-kun, there's nothing to fear about this thread turning into a Nintendo Direct speculation thread :P

sfortunato · Apr 30, 2020

RPGamer2 said:
If that wasn't the case that would be a problem. As the guy already stated, the Switch stands at 3.5 million above the PS4, the PS4 is in its final year, has a replacement coming and its userbase is not as active.

The gap in installed base doesn't matter for relatively small games in core genres, like Trials of Mana. PS4 installed base was built on jRPGs and games targeted towards young adult gamers. Switch installed base is built on all types of games: kids, young adults, families. Switch has already proved to be a viable platforms for jRPGs. The fact that some jRPG still sells better FW on PS4 doesn't undermine Switch potential on this segment of the market.

Also, PS4 userbase is definitely less active than some years ago but it still is.

GuEiMiRrIRoW · Apr 30, 2020

I really wonder if AC will actually make nintendo reschedule their lineaup.

It pretty staggering see a single product change the whole scale of the market.
Switch was doing fine. Now is in another level. Ps2 and DS level. If they manage to get Monster Hunter, they will blow away Japan.

GuEiMiRrIRoW · Apr 30, 2020

Dash Kappei said:
What do you guys think a non-timed (console-only) Switch SD3/ToM exclusive would have done in its FW?

How do you see the fact that despite Switch now sitting at about 3.5M above PS4 with the latter's userbase at just 67% of the Switch's total and with significantly less healthy software sales, SWITCH SD3 retail numbers are still 15% lower than PS4 SD3?

I know we're used to look at it positively when Nintendo's consoles manage to sell a 3rd party game on par with Playstation's, but should that really still be the case? When does it start to be more disappointing than it is positive for a core 3rd party game to perform "just" the same on NSW?

Long term will be importsnt to make these types of comparisons.

Gotdatmoney · Apr 30, 2020

RPGamer2 said:
If that wasn't the case that would be a problem. As the guy already stated, the Switch stands at 3.5 million above the PS4, the PS4 is in its final year, has a replacement coming and its userbase is not as active.

The PS4 still has the healthier release schedule as far as I can tell. As long as there is still good software constantly releasing for it it will have a decent chunk of the multiplatform sales for the next 18 months.

When you're talking about games that will like not cross 250k retail its not exceedingly important which version sells 10-20k more.

As I said, all that the sales of these multiplatform games tells me is that the market really needs both Nintendo and Sony doing well to flourish.

zroid · Apr 30, 2020

Kerotan said:
Trials of mana doing 80k was impressive too. I didn't expect it to go that high. Probably 100k+ with digital.

I know this is your shtick, but honestly lol, who looks at the Trials sales and says "it sold 80k, that's impressive"

the meaningful number is 150k (which is indeed impressive)

HaremKing · Apr 30, 2020

thefollower said:
Not sure if I am right, but isnt their a bundel out their with a free copy of FF7r, which is valued 8.000 yen. which actually means it's 25% discounted?

Such bundle was very limited in supply, and I doubt at this point that any significant number were still available at retail.

Limabean01 · Apr 30, 2020

Geez, it's just massive winners all around. This situation is boosting the games industry beyond what we've seen in years

foxuzamaki · Apr 30, 2020

Lite_Agent said:
Switch already at 2m YTD. Crazy 3m could come even before Q2.

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Hey hiska-kun, there's nothing to fear about this thread turning into a Nintendo Direct speculation thread :P

D:

hiska-kun · Apr 30, 2020

skittzo0413 said:
Significantly bigger than last week? So we would be probably looking at 150k+?

If this week was +100k, next week is over 200k guaranteed and maybe closer to 300k.

IronTed · Apr 30, 2020

Wow what a great week. Switch HW finally getting stock, and PS4 held well too. Great holds for AC and FF, and ToM did great too, 100k for both versions will be no problem. Of course the true winner is Xbox, look at that jump.

Ryng™ · Apr 30, 2020

No Nintendo direct until August/September?

Ok that suck... :(

RPG_Fanatic · Apr 30, 2020

Strong first weeks sales for Trials of Mana on both platforms. As a fan of the series this makes me happy.

Both Animal Crossing and FFVIIR had strong holds this week. Impressive for both.

Zedark · Apr 30, 2020

hiska-kun said:
If this week was +100k, next week is over 200k guaranteed and maybe closer to 300k.

Just imagine the report in two weeks o.0

500k+Switch HW report incoming?

Ryng™ · Apr 30, 2020

Tbone5189 said:
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got a slightly good suggestion, for your avg weekly sales, do an average of the next 31 weeks instead and have a separate week avg for holiday W49-52 so then it becomes more clear of what's to sell.

when combining holiday sales, it fluctuates the weekly avg to an extent

Nah i'll keep include them. The point of the avg is to not increase them too much until we get into holiday. Right now the goal of the avg is to not reach 250/300k, or whatever it will sell in the last weeks of the year.

The fact that this week is bigger than the avg it need to beat 3DS peak is already amazing.

Chris1964 · Apr 30, 2020

Since Animal Crossing remained close to 300k again this week it goes for 700k the next two.

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