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yeah I definitely agree with this. mods should be held to the same standard (if not more so) than a normal user and should be out if they pull shit like this.
Has Chris and the others been contacted and apologised to? Surely that should be the number one priority going forward.
Definitely deserves an apology, especially in light of what cvx planned. Also said mod should be banned.
I'm not a member of the community directly as I only read instead post.
However as a member of a Community group who had issues in the past, this would be a thing that would stick out and simply be unforgivable. The Admin team does a good job and tries overall, but the way CVX spoke of Chris was fucking gross given others have been banned for posting things off Site. As a Mod they should know better and there is no trusting them again given they so didn't care to be respectful in the beginning.
taking a leave of absence (from an online forum) and then gets to voluntarily Recuse themselves from sales moderation.
Did I read this right? Even less then a slap of on the wrist
Did I read this right? Even less then a slap of on the wrist
True.
It does look very double standard-y when certain rules can be broken depending on who.
I will just say this, because I kind of think we're whistling past the graveyard - Most of this could have been avoided if the mod team had just listened to what the regulars had been saying instead of assuming we were full of crap.
Yes, the trolls can be subtle. But I've been here nearly 15 years and in the words of the supreme court talking about porn, I know it when I see it. Some faith in the community would have gone a long way.
Contrary to what the critics say, we do try and engage with new posters when they say something we disagree with. You know what happens 90% of the time? They never respond, or they change the subject. And that tells us they are acting in bad faith. But because they say "lol" or "I'm just asking questions" after every post they fool the mods.
Yes, the trolls can be subtle. But I've been here nearly 15 years and in the words of the supreme court talking about porn, I know it when I see it. Some faith in the community would have gone a long way.
Contrary to what the critics say, we do try and engage with new posters when they say something we disagree with. You know what happens 90% of the time? They never respond, or they change the subject. And that tells us they are acting in bad faith. But because they say "lol" or "I'm just asking questions" after every post they fool the mods.
Translation, we give them a slap on the wrist for destroying a whole community.
An open apology to Chris stickied on the first page is the least the admins can do.
But hey, they finally got rid of the obvious troll. It's not like they're just throwing him under the bus to make the situation seem better.
User banned (1 month): Inflammatory comparison making light of bigotry
The cvxfreak thing has big Black Chamber voluntarily accepting his ban energy.
This. 100% this.
Damage is done, people are going away. I reckon that much can't be done here.
You should stop spread misinformation and learn japanese to read the book before commenting anything here.
Maybe he got free pass because he red the book...
This is the umpteenth time that the mods and admins have pushed another community away. Giving Cvxfreak a slap in the wrist ain't helping.
It's good that you guys apologised and got rid of Chris' ban (even though the damage had been done already), but letting the mod get away with everything is a really bad look.
Especially because you guys just permabanned someone for saying "the fact that X is still an admin says it all" (censored the name) on a Twitter account with 45 followers, yet this mod can badmouth a user in a discord server multiple times and it's fine?
Especially because you guys just permabanned someone for saying "the fact that X is still an admin says it all" (censored the name) on a Twitter account with 45 followers, yet this mod can badmouth a user in a discord server multiple times and it's fine?
I have been following these threads for years, and what happened here is just incredibly sad, and now the official answer to what happened is weak and cowardly. cvxfreak should be removed from his position and banned. Disgusting behavior from this guy and appalling answer from the rest of the team.
I question how it was subtle if the person intentionally misrepresented arguments and discussion and twisted/turned it into something else where they needed to be continuously clarified in which they completely ignore what someone had mentioned or said in an earlier post. It wasn't once, it wasn't twice, it was several times where we noticed that an argument was being grossly misrepresented and the arguments were in bad faith, leading to derailment of the thread and provoking in this case Chris to respond the way they did to them. What is classified as "subtle" here makes me question what actual obvious trolling is now.
Like how can you not take this and see that something is up? Anyone that has been here for sometime knows the nature of the PR speak, and no one has been aiming to be over-exaggerate the performance if one title like that
Is it because of the other snide commentary that happens in these threads that it is difficult to tell if it is in fact trolling or community banter on a subject? May I, or we, get some clarification on this at least?
This is an example of one, there are others across previous threads where it isn't argued in anything other than bad faith even after getting something explained to them and they run off with something else.
So someone with no history of having a warning or ban can get banned for thinking that a staff person is wrong for the job, but a Mod can just troll a Regular and nothing will happen to them? Do I understand that correctly?
How about all the other bans that occured, because of all of this with the "bad timing" of the new and now revoked guidelines?
How is it that you ignored all the reports about Caipos for month? How did this happen?
What are you going to change in your work as mods so that this boiling over doesn happen again and again and again and again and again?
Because as you said, no mod alone can ban someone? Do they just sign off whatever a different mod tells them?
Regulars got consulted? Really? How many? Cause all I heard that everyone is pissed af.
And what are your consequences? What will you do to not let this happen again internally? Cause I don't read anything about what you wanna do different and work more closely with the members here.
All in all, pretty weak statement I have to say, but not unexpected.
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What does the timezone of his Discord post have to do with any of this? We all can clearly read that he acted with malicious intent
How about all the other bans that occured, because of all of this with the "bad timing" of the new and now revoked guidelines?
How is it that you ignored all the reports about Caipos for month? How did this happen?
What are you going to change in your work as mods so that this boiling over doesn happen again and again and again and again and again?
Because as you said, no mod alone can ban someone? Do they just sign off whatever a different mod tells them?
Regulars got consulted? Really? How many? Cause all I heard that everyone is pissed af.
And what are your consequences? What will you do to not let this happen again internally? Cause I don't read anything about what you wanna do different and work more closely with the members here.
All in all, pretty weak statement I have to say, but not unexpected.
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What does the timezone of his Discord post have to do with any of this? We all can clearly read that he acted with malicious intent
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Even with plenty of time to make things right and come up with a satisfactory solution, cvxfreak (who made ablelist remarks, btw) is still going to be on staff and not banned, folks who were wrongly banned will stay banned, and the staff still looks like incompetent morons.
Jesus Christ. Way to go. You still have learned NOTHING, staff.
Jesus Christ. Way to go. You still have learned NOTHING, staff.
I'm going to be clear here.
Tensions have risen in the Media Create threads, and things have been hostile. But we're not even talking months of trolling, we are talking about years of trolling and abuse. Where insults are allowed to be hurled at the threads in other communities, users come to wind the posters up and then paint them as the bad guys.
If what I've just described looks familiar it's because it's exactly the behaviour of CVXFreak.
Chris was banned because he was purposely provoked, and then guidelines were imposed that paid no attention to some of the issues the threads have been plagued with for years.
How can we trust that the moderation were merely ignorant, and will do anything different in the future, when it's clear that at least one of you were engaging it in yourselves?
The fact that nothing is being done to reprimand CVXFreak is frankly a joke.
Tensions have risen in the Media Create threads, and things have been hostile. But we're not even talking months of trolling, we are talking about years of trolling and abuse. Where insults are allowed to be hurled at the threads in other communities, users come to wind the posters up and then paint them as the bad guys.
If what I've just described looks familiar it's because it's exactly the behaviour of CVXFreak.
Chris was banned because he was purposely provoked, and then guidelines were imposed that paid no attention to some of the issues the threads have been plagued with for years.
How can we trust that the moderation were merely ignorant, and will do anything different in the future, when it's clear that at least one of you were engaging it in yourselves?
The fact that nothing is being done to reprimand CVXFreak is frankly a joke.
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Is Aurc in Japan? Because if not, those time stamps aren't in JST.
Aurc
I am not mistaken that you took those screenshots yourself, am I? Are you in Japan?
Is Aurc in Japan? Because if not, those time stamps aren't in JST.
Aurc
I am not mistaken that you took those screenshots yourself, am I? Are you in Japan?
Mods shouldn't talk dirt about members and communities, no matter whether this actually directly leads to a ban or not. Portraying themselves as unbiased and objective on the forum itself while at the same time making fun of users behind their backs in semi-public places like Discord seems double faced and destroys trust. It shouldn't be too much to ask of a mod to, put it simply, shut up about forum related matters outside of the forum. When users get banned for insulting staff off site, these same expectations should apply to moderators as well.
All of this doesn't seem to matter at the end of the day, though, as it appears like Era's sales community has largely decided to move on to a different place. A shame, frankly.
All of this doesn't seem to matter at the end of the day, though, as it appears like Era's sales community has largely decided to move on to a different place. A shame, frankly.
Can I ask what will happen to BrunoMB then? Because he was permabanned for less than that. If you want to keep Cvxfreak on, okay, I don't know enough about him so I will refrain from making a judgment on that, but surely BrunoMB's ban will be reversed then?
So a guy got permabanned because of a tweet, but a mod can shit on a regular off-site without consequences?
lol
lol
I rarely post anymore, but as someone who has lurked these threads for around a decade at this point, I'm very disappointed with how this entire situation has been handled. Chris leaving is a huge loss, not just for the community, but for the forum as a whole. I would be curious as to which active posters were consulted, as I can't imagine anyone who frequents these threads disagreed that that user was a troll. It's unfortunate that whatever actions have been taken are clearly too late. I hope Chris knows how valued his contributions have been over the years, and wish him all the best.
History will just repeat itself when mods admit they can't recognise subtle trolls despite them showing up every week with similar pattern and people keep reporting. A certain frog got banned for something else, while Caiops only got banned cause he failed to cover his arse elsewhere else.
I'll just say there being such a double standard for the mod is unfair and that something needs to be done otherwise this seems like a half effort.
Unban the people who criticized the guidelines. There needs to be more accountability than what has been shown. It's incredibly disappointing to see a community that I participated in driven off and the mod that caused it to get a slap on the wrist.
You literally drove off some of the best posters in this forum and it's saddening to see. Like cmon.
Unban the people who criticized the guidelines. There needs to be more accountability than what has been shown. It's incredibly disappointing to see a community that I participated in driven off and the mod that caused it to get a slap on the wrist.
You literally drove off some of the best posters in this forum and it's saddening to see. Like cmon.
Also wtf those times in Aurc's screenshots aren't in JST?! Are the mods confused or did you seriously think we'd believe that shit?
Incredible weak response and without any significance. Just now banning Caiops after months of tirelessly trolling? cvxfreak not being held responsible and banned? Chris not receiving a full blown apology from the mod and admins? And what about Fiendcode, Passing Assassin, Bruno MB, Mazi and others who were banned because of this moderation shitshow? I also want to highlights that BrunoMB was permabanned because he spoke against a mod on twitter. But cvxfreak is freed, even though he did the same thing? You are all protecting themselves. Again, incredible weak response (To not write anything less pleasing). No wonder SalesERA is done with this site and staff.
"But it looks like I shut up Chris nicely".
"Man, some of the regulars in the MC thread are so indefensibly ignorant".
Yep, nothing creepy or weird about that whatsoever. This is fucking hilarious.
"Man, some of the regulars in the MC thread are so indefensibly ignorant".
Yep, nothing creepy or weird about that whatsoever. This is fucking hilarious.
I know everyone is focusing in Chris but what about all the other that were banned in this thread for confronting cvx or not agreeing with that kindergardten rules? Why their bans weren't reviewed? It's easy to say "we are sorry" but "we must protect our people"
I will echo the sentiment that Bruno's ban should be reversed and issued an apology if you intend to allow cvx to go on.
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