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vorimenn

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At what point can people expect the gaming audience to learn English? I haven't played a game in Dutch since I was 12. But maybe it's more a cultural difference. Agree that MS should try to translate their games to as many languages as possible. Can also understand it being difficult with service games. You'll have to translate things constantly.
Yes, it's very different in every country. Maybe in thh Netherlands you have better approach to English, like in television for example where there are local subtitles with English in the background. In Poland it's quite different and still lot of people wants to play in home language, even with subtitles. Year to year is somehow better but still for some people it's not so easy to learn different language. In my case, I didn't have English in primary school. I had German. And I learnt a lot when I came to the UK about 4,5 years ago.

And Poland isn't small marketplace in Europe and even world. They don't have to translate to every languages of Asia or Africa. That's obvious. But they shouldn't ignore biggest countries in Europe, like it was in Xbox 360 era. That also help with reaching new audience.

Simple example with upcoming game. Crackdown was released in February 2007. Xbox 360 was released in Poland in Autumn 2006. That game is fully localised (dubbing + subtitles). Unless it's very niche game. Crackdown 3 will be limited to 7 languages! Even without Russian which appears in most of games.
 

khamakazee

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That is not true. Crackdown 3 is pretty special on this, because it was shown so early and it was post poned so freaking many times.

Besides Microsoft really needs to stop giving us release times so early. Just do what Sony does. Let the developers come to you and say when they can release the game.

That's kind of a joke, Sony has also delayed many games. GT7, is it still coming for example? Both parties are guilty of showing games way too early.

My opinion is that a game should be in 2 E3 max before launch. Anouncement-gameplay-then release before the next E3.

This. Some people enjoy having games announced very early and shown multiple times. I don't.
 

Kiekura

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That's kind of a joke, Sony has also delayed many games. GT7, is it still coming for example? Both parties are guilty of showing games way too early.

Yeah but Sony doesn't tell you release dates usually and instead of GT 7 we got GT Sport. GT 7 is going to be PS5 game anyway.

Biggest mistake Sony did was announcing Final Fantasy and dreams so early, but even then they didn't give us any dates. It is much more worse to actually set a date and then repeatedly change that date, because game needs more time. And they should've give more time to State of Decay 2 and Sea of Thieves.

It's not that Sony is perfect on this, but they have been better than Microsoft, although Microsoft supposedly has learned their lesson now.
 

Ushay

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What does this even mean? They did recently expand a bunch. Like I mentioned before, they have a unique game design. Nobody has done it which is why the game was popular despite the reviews. They've expanded. They aren't going to make Uncharted games. They're going to make better State of Decay games. Game is good just unpolished. There will be a big difference in polish due to the support, resources and studio growth.

They aren't competing with other Microsoft studios. They offer something unique.
I certainly hope so, the vision and passion was there most definitely. But the lack of growth between the first and second games was worrying.

Then again, MS would not have invested if they didn't feel these guys could hit their stride. Hence my 'infusion' comment. With the right growth and support, which they are obviously getting now I can see their next game doing something very unique in the genre.
 
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That is not true. Crackdown 3 is pretty special on this, because it was shown so early and it was post poned so freaking many times.

Besides Microsoft really needs to stop giving us release times so early. Just do what Sony does. Let the developers come to you and say when they can release the game.
Is this a joke post or sarcasm?..you mean releasing games annunced in a gen the gen after? Or trying to make people forget about announced games without never have the courage to officially delete them as Agent or Deep down? Just imagine what games from the fabulous E3 of the dreams we will see this gen ............If theres someone who ms shouldnt look at about this Is Sony ...
 
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knightmawk

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Oh wow. I should have mentioned that I didn't play very long at all. Maybe an hour if that. Just wasn't for me. But yeah, that would be disappointing because it's almost like either way you play, you're kind of losing because one direction isn't fun and the other gets you penalized. Ouch.

I'm gonna have to disagree, I really enjoyed the first dishonored game and I did an almost entirely non-lethal run. I had two kills the entire game and both were indirect. One was a guy I knocked unconscious and dropped him in to the water in the sewer. I assume he either drowned or was eaten by rats. The second was someone who died when I released some infected during a mission as a distraction and they found his unconscious body hidden behind some boxes. I did feel like there were several abilities and items I just never got to use, but I still really enjoyed it.

I can't speak for the second game, I started it non-lethal but got caught up in work and life and never finished it.
 

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Yeah it needs an entire rework.

the Arena update is probably the best excuse they have for that.

I want the gunplay to be a little more skillful and responsive.

Btw, what am I suppose to use the gold I get for delivering chests?

And how do I accept "quests"? It's always someone else who does it and I don't understand where they get quests from.

It also seems like every quest has it's own map, what happens when the map wheel (when pressing "E" on the keyboard) is full of maps?
 

SuikerBrood

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Btw, what am I suppose to use the gold I get for delivering chests?

And how do I accept "quests"? It's always someone else who does it and I don't understand where they get quests from.

It also seems like every quest has it's own map, what happens when the map wheel (when pressing "E" on the keyboard) is full of maps?

- Buy a quest from one of the factions
- Put the quest on the quest table in your ship
- Make 2/2 2/3 or 3/4 of the crew vote on the quest
- If your quest wheel is filled with maps, it'll add another page of maps. (I think you press F? not sure)
 

Deleted member 3897

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- Buy a quest from one of the factions
- Put the quest on the quest table in your ship
- Make 2/2 2/3 or 3/4 of the crew vote on the quest
- If your quest wheel is filled with maps, it'll add another page of maps. (I think you press F? not sure)

Why are not quests free like in all other games?

Can I get a better sword than the one Ive always had? It's shit.
 

SuikerBrood

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Why are not quests free like in all other games?

Can I get a better sword than the one Ive always had? It's shit.

The quests don't cost that much gold.

By now you know that there is no progression system in place right? You can't get better weapons, better ships, etc.

Each player is equal and each session starts fresh.
 

khamakazee

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Yeah but Sony doesn't tell you release dates usually and instead of GT 7 we got GT Sport. GT 7 is going to be PS5 game anyway.

Biggest mistake Sony did was announcing Final Fantasy and dreams so early, but even then they didn't give us any dates. It is much more worse to actually set a date and then repeatedly change that date, because game needs more time. And they should've give more time to State of Decay 2 and Sea of Thieves.

It's not that Sony is perfect on this, but they have been better than Microsoft, although Microsoft supposedly has learned their lesson now.

Wasn't Days Gone delayed a few times and Uncharted 4 delayed too? Nothing will beat The Last Guardian.

I think both have learned to not announce dates as often.
 

pswii60

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Yeah but Sony doesn't tell you release dates usually and instead of GT 7 we got GT Sport. GT 7 is going to be PS5 game anyway.

Biggest mistake Sony did was announcing Final Fantasy and dreams so early, but even then they didn't give us any dates. It is much more worse to actually set a date and then repeatedly change that date, because game needs more time. And they should've give more time to State of Decay 2 and Sea of Thieves.

It's not that Sony is perfect on this, but they have been better than Microsoft, although Microsoft supposedly has learned their lesson now.
Aside from Crackdown 3, what games has Microsoft actually announced dates for this gen that ended up getting delayed?
 

Klobrille

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it says "fully independent developer" in their twitter bio, which I take as a good sign they are not bought being by MS.
Because they are.

The same was the case for Ninja Theory, who prominently had the "independent" stamp everywhere.

The community guy administrating the twitter account is probably the last one who is getting informed about a successful acquisition though. People shouldn't read too much into these things.
 

Dimple

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Because they are.

The same was the case for Ninja Theory, who prominently had the "independent" stamp everywhere.

The community guy administrating the twitter account is probably the last one who is getting informed about a successful acquisition though. People shouldn't read too much into these things.

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im so confused right now hahaha
 

knightmawk

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Ah okay. So the only thing that progresses is reputation and the amount of gold I have?

There's also ship customization, outfit customization and things like titles and emblems. All of this is tied to reputation, and at least the last time I played it was kind of inconvenient because you had to reset all your stuff whenever you logged in and logged out.
 

Kiekura

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Aside from Crackdown 3, what games has Microsoft actually announced dates for this gen that ended up getting delayed?

Delayed? Nothing comes to mind. But many games for hurt because of it. Sea of Thieves and State of Decay 3 would've been much better if they got delayed (but they couldn't because they already told release date and because of Crackdown 3 and already bad years of exclusives, they didn't delay them. And then there is scaledown that got destroyed.

Atleast Phil seems to take them to right direction. Like i said, Sony hasn't been perfect, but they have handled these situations better than Microsoft this gen.
 

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You know what I mean. Their explicit statement of being independent could hint at future non-exclusivity. Or, potentially they have limited pipeline with Sony and are on the hunt.

Their relationship was a game-to-game contract according to Cage despite the 10 year contract rumor going around. This glue you are talking about could have been removed after HR or Beyond or Detroit.

A French Hub would be interesting. Motion Twin, Asobo, Dontnod, Quantic Dream.

Every studio you mentioned seems to do fine to amazing right now. There's no talk of them having any financial problems at all and so far it seems like MS are interested in studios that are in somewhat trouble.
 

Mr Moot

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Every studio you mentioned seems to do fine to amazing right now. There's no talk of them having any financial problems at all and so far it seems like MS are interested in studios that are in somewhat trouble.

Dontnod have great ideas, it could be something with more money, I guess.

Quantic Dream on the other hand, that would be a waste imo.

The 2 other I don't know them.
 

Putfire

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Their relationship was a game-to-game contract according to Cage despite the 10 year contract rumor going around. This glue you are talking about could have been removed after HR or Beyond or Detroit.



Every studio you mentioned seems to do fine to amazing right now. There's no talk of them having any financial problems at all and so far it seems like MS are interested in studios that are in somewhat trouble.
I think Microsoft wants good studios regardless of the financial situation. For these studios it would also be good to have the security and freedom to develop good projects.
 

knightmawk

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I wonder when we're gonna hear about the studio that "has history with Sony" that MS was either eyeing or had acquired.

At this point, GDC is probably the earliest we'd see anything about new acquisitions, but e3 seems more likely. Microsoft has set a solid cadence of making those announcements at trade shows.

That being said, Id love it for them to just like tweet out an announcement with very little fanfare, just blindside everyone.
 
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Guys, I was just replaying Hellblade on my X and my god, the motion capture is arguably the best I have seen from this Gen along the art direction. Do you guys think they will share the Motion-Capture techniques with other first party studios?

Its insane how Ninja Theory pulled off a game like Hellblade with that kind of budget. Mo-Cap looks even better than Gears 5 I think.

 

nekkid

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Guys, I was just replaying Hellblade on my X and my god, the motion capture is arguably the best I have seen from this Gen along the art direction. Do you guys think they will share the Motion-Capture techniques with other first party studios?

Its insane how Ninja Theory pulled off a game like Hellblade with that kind of budget. Mo-Cap looks even better than Gears 5 I think.



They spun off their motion capture (still owned by Obsidian, therefore MS) into its own entity for the sole reason of supporting more than just Obsidian's games.

i.e. count on it.

Edit: yeah that's Ninja Theory, not Obsidian. Duh.
 
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Theorry

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Guys, I was just replaying Hellblade on my X and my god, the motion capture is arguably the best I have seen from this Gen along the art direction. Do you guys think they will share the Motion-Capture techniques with other first party studios?

Its insane how Ninja Theory pulled off a game like Hellblade with that kind of budget. Mo-Cap looks even better than Gears 5 I think.



Dont know if that Senua mocap studio still exist?
 
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They spun off their motion capture (still owned by Obsidian, therefore MS) into its own entity for the sole reason of supporting more than just Obsidian's games.

i.e. count on it.

Wow, thats cool.

The other studios at MS can definitely take advantage of this.

Is the Outer Worlds from Obsidian using Ninja Theory's Mo-Cap technology?
 

knightmawk

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Wow, thats cool.

The other studios at MS can definitely take advantage of this.

Is the Outer Worlds from Obsidian using Ninja Theory's Mo-Cap technology?

Probably not, it's been in development for too long. Senuas Studio was spun off right around the same time as they were acquired by Microsoft, so it'll probably be at least another 2 years before we see anyone other than Ninja Theory using that tech. And that's being optimistic.
 
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Klobrille

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Every studio you mentioned seems to do fine to amazing right now. There's no talk of them having any financial problems at all and so far it seems like MS are interested in studios that are in somewhat trouble.
This is straight out wrong.

Xbox isn't some holy savior for the poor. They are doing a business. And they are looking for talent - not struggling studios. They acquired all kinds of studios, both very successful (Playground Games, Ninja Theory, Obsidian) as well as studios that could need budget boosts (Undead Labs, Compulsion Games, inXile). None of the studios they acquired were in trouble (maybe Compulsion after the release of WHF, but that's not a problem now anymore either).
 

solis74

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Guys, I was just replaying Hellblade on my X and my god, the motion capture is arguably the best I have seen from this Gen along the art direction. Do you guys think they will share the Motion-Capture techniques with other first party studios?

Its insane how Ninja Theory pulled off a game like Hellblade with that kind of budget. Mo-Cap looks even better than Gears 5 I think.



it really is amazing.
 

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This is straight out wrong.

Xbox isn't some holy savior for the poor. They are doing a business. And they are looking for talent - not struggling studios. They acquired all kinds of studios, both very successful (Playground Games, Ninja Theory, Obsidian) as well as studios that could need budget boosts (Undead Labs, Compulsion Games, inXile). None of the studios they acquired were in trouble (maybe Compulsion after the release of WHF, but that's not a problem now anymore either).

Well then I stand corrected.
 

SpinierBlakeD

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Still calling it Gears of War tho haha.
I guess its still the overhead name of all games.

Even though I've always called it "Gears", I've gotta admit it's going to drive me crazy when I look at my shelf and see Gears of War, Gears of War 2, Gears of War 3, Gears of War 4 and Gears 5.
 
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