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Chessguy1

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i was legit shook (ugh) for the first 10 seconds after the slam landed, never felt that way watching MMA before
 

Ziltoidia 9

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When it was stopped I thought it was because it was illegal, then they said new champ, so I was just confused.

Amazingly Rose looks absolutely fine. She is interesting to read.... like I feel like any other fighter would have been mad that the fight was immediately stopped.
 

Masoyama

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Rose is 100% at fault for how she fell. She kept the grip longer than it's safe, and actually the grip is what caused her neck to rotate down instead of out. Not illegal or a bad thing to do by Andrade.
 

Sinder

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Rose is 100% at fault for how she fell. She kept the grip longer than it's safe, and actually the grip is what caused her neck to rotate down instead of out. Not illegal or a bad thing to do by Andrade.
The rules don't make any sense then. A spike is a spike, I thought the whole point of making it illegal is because it could easily be fatal. So it would have been ok that she killed her because Rose was holding onto a grip a certain way?
 

Serene

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The rules don't make any sense then. A spike is a spike, I thought the whole point of making it illegal is because it could easily be fatal. So it would have been ok that she killed her because she was holding onto a grip a certain way?
You can't penalize the offensive fighter because the defensive fighter is putting themselves in a bad position.
 

BLOODED_hands

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Rose had the right game plan but Andrade drew her in with the rushes and then into the clinch. The leg kicks were key because they did hurt and slowed her down. People are correct in saying that Rose was winning until she wasn't though. Andrade was overwhelmed by the technique and speed of Rose, but sheer strength and toughness will sometimes beat technique. All Andrade needed was to grab a hold of Rose or for Rose to grab her. Rose, unintelligently, decided to clinch and hold on to the submission (incorrectly as DC and Masoyama pointed out), and she paid for it.

Huge props to Andrade and her corner for realizing that Rose was slowing down by the leg kicks.

Rose is (was?) dealing with depression and overall mental health issues right? If she still is then I'm not surprised that she said that. Being a champ has a ton of pressure for Rose and I'm not sure whether losing the belt or retaining the belt would add more or less pressure for her mental health.
 

Masoyama

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The rules don't make any sense then. A spike is a spike, I thought the whole point of making it illegal is because it could easily be fatal. So it would have been ok that she killed her because Rose was holding onto a grip a certain way?
Yeah pretty much. Protect yourself at all times is rule number 1. MMA is dangerous, tons of way to die. A fighter has no responsibility to control how their opponent reacts or comed down during a slam.
 
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The rules don't make any sense then. A spike is a spike, I thought the whole point of making it illegal is because it could easily be fatal. So it would have been ok that she killed her because Rose was holding onto a grip a certain way?
The way I see it (and I'm probably hilariously wrong here and will get quoted a bunch of times) is that this is akin to someone throwing a big knee to the body of another fighter, but before the knee can land, the other fighter drops to his knees and takes the knee to the face. That would be illegal, but the guy who took the knee to the face put himself in that position. The intent wasn't for an illegal knee, so instead it's this gray area where the knee was technically legal.
 

Sinder

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Yeah pretty much. Protect yourself at all times is rule number 1. MMA is dangerous, tons of way to die. A fighter has no responsibility to control how their opponent reacts or comed down during a slam.
But Andrade made that decision to spike her, there's no way that was just an accident. You think she was thinking about the rules in the moment? If Rose wasn't going for a grab and then Andrade threw her the same way anyway, the fight gets called off for an illegal move?
 

Serene

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But Andrade made that decision to spike her, there's no way that was just an accident. You think she was thinking about the rules in the moment? If Rose wasn't going for a grab and then Andrade threw her the same way anyway, the fight gets called off for an illegal move?
Andrade was just trying to slam her to the ground (like she did earlier). She wasn't aiming to spike her, that was just the consequence of Rose not letting go.

And yes, if Andrade spiked her on her head with complete control and Rose wasn't attempting the kimura, it would have been illegal.
 

Masoyama

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But Andrade made that decision to spike her, there's no way that was just an accident. You think she was thinking about the rules in the moment? If Rose wasn't going for a grab and then Andrade threw her the same way anyway, the fight gets called off for an illegal move?
Throwing someone on their neck or head is legal.

It is illegal to restrain your opponent, your opponent had no grip on you and you throw them vertically on their head or neck.
 

Sinder

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Andrade was just trying to slam her to the ground (like she did earlier). She wasn't aiming to spike her, that was just the consequence of Rose not letting go.
I don't believe that it was unintentional. It was directly on her head and she had full control, I legit thought Rose broke her neck in the replay.
 

RoninZ

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Glad Rose is walking after that sick slam, after some rest I hope she gets a rematch or is in contention and not needing to take a long layoff. That interview looked questionable, I thought they suppose to not interview fighters after being KO like that? Must of been wrong I guess
 

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This is the exact wording of the rule:

A pile driver is considered to be any throw where you control your opponent's body placing his feet towards the sky with his head straight down and then forcibly drive your opponents head into the canvas or flooring material. It should be noted when a fighter is placed into a submission hold by their opponent, if that fighter is capable of elevating their opponent they may bring that opponent down in any fashion they desire because they are not in control of their opponent’s body. The fighter who is attempting the submission can either adjust their position, or let go of their hold before being slammed to the canvas.
It's not a grey area, it's literally written into the rule.
 

BLOODED_hands

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Glad Rose is walking after that sick slam, after some rest I hope she gets a rematch or is in contention and not needing to take a long layoff. That interview looked questionable, I thought they suppose to not interview fighters after being KO like that? Must of been wrong I guess
That was all on shitty Rogan after he interviewed a heavily concussed Econoreem. Since he's not there..... Well, you just saw what happened.
 

Sinder

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Alright then, still think its weird but it is what it is.

They're saying Rose might take 6 months off because of the neck. I say she gets another title shot when she's back because of how flukey this shit was, but in that time I think JJ beats Andrade again.
 

RoninZ

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Alright then, still think its weird but it is what it is.

They're saying Rose might take 6 months off because of the neck. I say she gets another title shot when she's back because of how flukey this shit was, but in that time I think JJ beats Andrade again.
I think no matter what Rose should fight Andrade again belt or no belt by the time she recovers. Before that slam she was winning that fight, just made a bad decision to hold that submission that cost her the fight.

I hope she returns before the year is done though. Good fighter
 

Serene

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Rose looked better than she ever has before she got slammed. I'd favor her in a rematch.

But JJ gonna angle to get that Andrade fight before Rose gets a chance at it. And the UFC will probably give it to her.
 

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Lima's only losses in the last decade are to Rory, Askren, and Koreshkov (and he came back to beat Koreshkov in September).

UFC needs to grab him.
 

Black_Stride

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She just needs to go home relax get herself back in the game.
Assuming she doesnt decide enough, she wins the belt her next fight whomever its against.

But landing on your neck like that cant be good for your health.
 

Sinder

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Rose can easily get the belt back whenever she comes back. I hope she doesn't retire but if she did I can't blame her, that was the scariest thing I've ever seen in mma.
 

Landford

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After all that shit with Mcgregor, JJ, and now this near-death experience I wouldn't blame Rose to just get the fuck away from the UFC.
 

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Also thought the slam was illegal at first, had no clue about that "hold on to the sub" rule.

Am I the only one that was annoyed with Dominic Cruz? Dude kept telling us how smart Thiago Alves is with his passive 1 strike a round fighting style.
Alves lost his killer instinct somewhere in a GSP takedown and its not VETERAN THINKING that he can't pull the trigger.
Oh look, he lost another fucking decision. Aldo had the same issue and Anderson probably would have displayed it too. It's tough to stay fighting for a long time and keep the edge. But no, thanks to Cruz I know that they are just "waiting for the right moment" showing "how smart they are".
 

Wamapoke

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Cruz has the same bug that Rogan has where he picks up on something he likes from a fighter early on and then sticks with that praise regardless of where the fight goes. Was the same deal in the Penn fight, where BJ started off well and they didn't stop talking about how great he looked until he was a punching bag in round three, having already lost the last round decisively. They also should have noticed Andrade getting her way with backing Rose to the cage and ripping in body shots in the 2nd round. It wasn't a fluke KO.

It doesn't help that UFC doesn't allow anyone to clearly state who is winning rounds, and it leads to some annoying favouritism.