Golden rule, don't argue about things that are not concerning to your well being. What does it matter if fall starts one day or the other? "but actually-" NOBODY CARES. Your life will go on. You'll be fine. She didn't ask you to tell her the day. She probably started the topic because she was gonna share something else with you.but I want to be able to at least debate in a way to where I don't lose myself in the process
But isn't existing dumb what got us in this mess? I know simply not arguing isn't a permanent solution, but I want to be able to at least debate in a way to where I don't lose myself in the process.
I don't understand how people think the OP did anything wrong unless there was something he omitted in the argument that hurt her. I mean she said something that was incorrect and the OP pointed that out, and it may have not been clear it was sarcasm. What's the problem with stopping misinformation? It actually kind of irritates me when people say doing that makes you an asshole.
It was less about me winning & more about wanting to correct the misconception, which eventually went too far. But in general, you're right. I can't let that get to the point where I forget that I'm talking with another human being.Golden rule, don't argue about things that are not concerning to your well being. What does it matter if fall starts one day or the other? "but actually-" NOBODY CARES. Your life will go on. You'll be fine. She didn't ask you to tell her the day. She probably started the topic because she was gonna share something else with you.
But your desire to be right for absolutely no reason, reward or benefit to anyone but YOURSELF and the three seconds long release of dopamine from Winning an argument was more important to you than whatever she was gonna say to her.
That's bad man. Really bad. It's a human being you're treating with. She has feelings man.
This is pretty great, and overall, you're already trying to take positive things from your thread. Best wishes to you.From here, I'm gonna focus on mending the bridge with my little brother in terms of our relationship as I better myself on all fronts. Maybe later down the road when I'm ready, I can put myself out there again. But I don't want to do that until I'm damn sure that I go back out there a better man.
Nobody cares.It was less about me winning & more about wanting to correct the misconception,
Yeah, I know I fucked up there. You're right in that I can't correct everybody, otherwise I'd be their teacher (& a bad one at that).Nobody cares.
It's a relationship and you're supposed her boyfriend, not her teacher. You're supposed to listen to her, not judge her. You're supposed to make her feel better with herself, not worse (you compared her to TRUMP).
Come on son.
Remember that Albert Camus got famous because he understood what the ancient philosophers didn't. That there was no point to finding the truth because there is no truth.Yeah, I know I fucked up there. You're right in that I can't correct everybody, otherwise I'd be their teacher (& a bad one at that).
That........actually makes sense. I never thought of it that way before, specifically with Camus' approach to truth. Thank you for bringing it to my attention (philosophy isn't my strong suit, seeing as I'm a Computer Science major).Remember that Albert Camus got famous because he understood what the ancient philosophers didn't. That there was no point to finding the truth because there is no truth.
When you share yourself, you share your existence, the time you spend together. You're making someone else live their lives alongside yours. And we, humans, human as we are, care not about truth, but pleasure.
If you want someone to be with you, you gotta be a pleasure to be with to them.
That's all there is.
Yeah, that's accurate. Going by how she's responding to me now, she's much more chill about the ordeal than I am, but I guess that comes from me realizing how much of an overbearing jerk I can be.This is a bizarre reason to break up but my guess is that it's more of a 'straw that broke the camel's back' sort of thing.
Because I want to come out the other end as a better person. The reason I made this thread was to be honest about what happened, reflect on what got to this point, & take input as to how I can accomplish my goal of improving myself.Damn this is one of the rare af threads where OP actually responds to people and moves forward.
That's........actually makes sense. I never thought of it that way before, specifically with Camus' approach to truth. Thank you for bringing it to my attention (philosophy isn't my strong suit, seeing as I'm a Computer Science major).
It's good you are being introspective about this, learn from it and improve for the future. Seems like she doesn't hate you or anything, she just thinks you aren't compatible based on this and similar behaviors. I'm honestly surprised because you don't come across as an overbearing, pedantic ass on here, but it's different when you are face to face with someone all the time and being obsessive about little things often. It could become really grating.Yeah, that's accurate. Going by how she's responding to me now, she's much more chill about the ordeal than I am, but I guess that comes from me realizing how much of an overbearing jerk I can be.
Actually, thinking back, I find that it's worse over text than it is in person. The sole exception to that is my little brother, which I'm currently trying to rectify.It's good you are being introspective about this, learn from it and improve for the future. Seems like she doesn't hate you or anything, she just thinks you aren't compatible based on this and similar behaviors. I'm honestly surprised because you don't come across as an overbearing, pedantic ass on here, but it's different when you are face to face with someone all the time and being obsessive about little things often. It could become really grating.
I have, really. The goal now is to act on what I need to improve about myself.Whew, hope you learned your lesson here OP because that is some dumb stuff to argue over.
Well, whatever it is, I think a good lesson to learn from this is to prioritize what really matters and let the little shit just pass you by because it's not important.Actually, thinking back, I find that it's worse over text than it is in person. The sole exception to that is my little brother, which I'm currently trying to rectify.
Best of luck to youI have, really. The goal now is to act on what I need to improve about myself.
Thinking back to other instances of arguments with others, a good chunk of them did come from the little things (including this). So yeah, I need to not let things phase me like that.Well, whatever it is, I think a good lesson to learn from this is to prioritize what really matters and let the little shit just pass you by because it's not important.
Depending on your personality it can take time and practice, but it's a good skill to have for just dealing with people in general, not just romantic relationships.Thinking back to other instances of arguments with others, a good chunk of them did come from the little things (including this). So yeah, I need to not let things phase me like that.
Yeah, it's something I realized when thinking back to my argument with my little brother as well as other smaller instances.Depending on your personality it can take time and practice, but it's a good skill to have for just dealing with people in general, not just romantic relationships.
Between hugging a thief that stole your phone and breaking up over when Fall starts, ERA is on a roll lately.
Yeah, it's already been a weird start to the month. I didn't think that I'd contribute to that.
Fair enough, but I'm not seeing how it's "condescending" to say "no it's not actually that" when someone says something wrong. The girlfriend in this case was technically right however, but regardless I don't think being wrong about something like that is worth breaking up over.First of all, what she said wasn't incorrect. There are two different, yet scientifically accepted dates for the beginning of fall. It depends on which field of study is being utilized, meteorology or astrology.
It was wrong of him to condescending question her acceptance of science, especially when he was, in fact wrong.
Now she ultimately told him that she was joking, but I wonder if his pressure didn't force her to back off in doubt, or if she did so to avoid further badgering. In any case, OP was in fact, misinformed.
Then small talk is pointless if it's wrong to be correct.No one gives a shit during small talk it comes off like a stuck up argumentative twat
It made me realize how my nature may have impacted my other relationships, which is hitting me just as hard (if not harder) than the break-up.Laying into someone for generalizing the beginning of fall as the start of the month that holds the equinox is not a smart move outside of like, debate club. Definitely gotta work on yourself.
Yeah, it's already been a weird start to the month. I didn't think that I'd contribute to that.
I would save the blessings for after I fully act on my plan for self-improvement, but thank you.
We've had other disagreements in the past, such as our stances on Chick-fil-A & whatnot. That's some of the stuff that built up.
She was pretty definitive that we were done, & (to my heartbreak) I respect her wishes.
I don't pay to eat there due to their blatant homophobia & transphobia, but she spoke of how even her gay best friend eats there. She isn't the first person I had this argument with, as I've butted heads with my mom as well as my older sister on the same topic (typically ending on "nobody cares but you"). Thinking back, I should have been a bit more calmer in stating my stance, as it eventually snowballed into this.OP this is the last thing that matters but I'm curious, what is your stance on Chik-fil-A?
I don't pay to eat there due to their blatant homophobia & transphobia, but she spoke of how even her gay best friend eats there. She isn't the first person I had this argument with, as I've butted heads with my mom as well as my older sister on the same topic (typically ending on "nobody cares but you"). Thinking back, I should have been a bit more calmer in stating my stance, as it eventually snowballed into this.
I became the very thing I hate, of course I'm gonna be hard on myself. I'm trying to make sure that it never happens again.Relationships really are just practice before you get married in a way so don't be too hard on yourself.
You're supposed to learn from these things so you can better navigate the next one.
My second marriage is substantially, substantially better than my first partially because of a lot of learned lessons.
If you broke up after 6 months over when fucking fall starts then it was never going to last.
At one point, I was like, "well, we should do this again. "We should go on another trip. And you could get a license or a passport." Jenny said, "that sounds great, "but I don't think I'd get a license or a passport 'cause they don't make me get one." And I was like, "yeah, but it's the law." You know. Jenny says, "yeah, I don't think I'll get one "'cause they don't make me get one, you know. That's how I feel." That's how Jenny argues things. Sometimes she'll just say, "that's how I feel." And I'll say, "that's not an argument." "Like, we're not even in an argument right now because you don't have an argument." And she'll say, "I just won that argument." And I'll say, "that's not even possible based on the definition of what an argument is." And she'll say, "I just won that argument," again. "That's how I feel."
You could see how this could be a little bit maddening, you know, uh… On our final day on the trip, we got into an argument about essentially nothing. She noticed there was a basketball court at our hotel, and she said, "we should play." And I was like, "yeah, but not, like, a game." And she said, "why?" And I said, "well, 'cause I'd win." And she said, "no, I think I would win." I go, "no. I know that I'd win, "and I know that what I'm supposed to say is that… "The guy says, 'I'll win,' the girl says, 'I'll win,' "and the guy lets her win, and then she likes him more. But I just don't have that in me." And Jenny goes, "you don't have to let me win. Let's go out and play." And so we went out and played basketball, and I just kicked her ass. I mean, it was just like… It was just like… 10 to 1, you know, 11 to 1. I mean, I was having a good day, but still, I was just destroying her. And at one point, she literally said, "I've never met someone who's so obsessed with the score." And I said, "the score is what makes it a game!"
So we're arguing this over lunch, and then, again, it comes up at dinner, and then we're still arguing about it at 2:00 or 3:00 in the morning about essentially nothing. And she said, "I don't understand why you're so obsessed with being right." I go, "I'm not obsessed with it. I just am." I said, "why do you think you're right?" And she says, "that's how I feel." I said, "if you think I'm so wrong about everything, why are you even with me?" And Jenny says, "you can't choose who you love."
I'm not yielding to that belief, but rather better presenting my argument in a way where I don't clash with those close to me. As mentioned earlier, it can snowball into something worse, which is the last thing I want (especially after today).I usually turn the other cheek on stuff like that myself but for what it's worth when it comes to dating I legit would consider someone who eats at chik-fil-a as incompatible, lmao.
Thank you, I just want to make sure that it's a future where I'm better than I am now as a person.Came here to say this. Best of luck with the future, life goes on.
Yeah...only reason it hit so hard was because you weren't really out of the honeymoon phase. That's like hitting a brick wall going 60 miles per hour because you haven't coasted to slow down yet.If you broke up after 6 months over when fucking fall starts then it was never going to last.
That's how she described it, actually (right down to the "don't be so hard on yourself" part). I get that each relationship is a learning experience, but the way this ended stung the most as it made me realize how I can be with others (including you guys). Not to mention that it was my first relationship in years.It sounds like it was just the straw that broke the camels back. It's good that you're reflecting and you should continue to do that but I wouldn't be too hard on yourself. Each new relationship is a learning experience, it can be heartbreaking but you're learning about yourself.
It was less about me winning & more about wanting to correct the misconception, which eventually went too far. But in general, you're right. I can't let that get to the point where I forget that I'm talking with another human being.
Ah, alright then.
That's how she described it, actually (right down to the "don't be so hard on yourself" part). I get that each relationship is a learning experience, but the way this ended stung the most as it made me realize how I can be with others (including you guys). Not to mention that it was my first relationship in years.