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Next-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation launch thread - MY ANACONDA DON'T WANT NONE
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I have to wonder how much of these leaks from both companies might also be misdirection if they're controlled leaks. If companies do engage in controlled leaks I have to imagine they might also engage in misdirection with some of those leaks to hide their true intent.
Yeah, we should get a bit of information that provides some insight. Of course, Sony could always keep that stuff hidden.
Yup they could easily hide both fy 2020and 2021 now haha those sneaky ninjas
yep. 4tflops is only 2x more than the ps4. No one is doing that. 8 tflops with 15% Navi architectural improvements makes more sense.
But i think ms was going to release lockheart back when they assumed Sony was going for a $399 console. It's why phil was almost certain of making the most powerful console. Now that it's longer the case, it's possible he will just kill the$399 console and fight Sony on their turf.
It's not selfish as it would be better for everyone eventually even if they decide to wait for price drops. It is however unrealistic at this point I think
Too late to cancel part of whole project . But we also don't know the exact price of ps5. So many unknowns to make such bold move now
I think PS5 landing comfortably in the middle is more likely than Lock being on par with PS5 and/or Snek being considerably stronger than PS5.
I think Snek being much stronger than PS5 is the least likely of them all.
Oh, I'm sure they do. Sony even caught people off guard with that 8GB thing this gen. They keep stuff hidden and leak the truth with a bit of misdirection all the time.
But you said 8 or 3. Don't sabotage my democracy!
Seriously though, I can absolutly see Option 8 happen. And yet I doubt many people would buy a weaker xbox Model, if they could get the PlayStation5, which will be the Premium Model for several years, for only $100 more.
Nobody seems to expect Microsoft to have a console that beats PS5 specs by 40-45% in GPU, has a better RAM architecture and comes in $100 less, at the same point in time. Because that's exactly what Sony did to Microsoft in 2013.
Perhaps this time, the SSD in PS5 will be a bit of an anchor for price like Kinect was for XBone. Not that I think an SSD useless like Kinect was (an SSD is a game changer) but would work out the same in terms of price, if Xbox had better specs with a conventional HDD and SSD as an option (and built for it, but doesn't get saddled with it).
Or come up with some other way of just making a single physical Xbox console that is 40% more powerful than PS5 and $100 less.
Xbox Scarlett Family
High-end Anaconda $499 SSD/$399 HDD (both 16 TF)
Low/mid-range Lockhart $299 (8TF)
Inexpensive xCloud streaming console $199 (4TF, as it needs some compute)
PS5 $499 (12 TF)
Perhaps this time, the SSD in PS5 will be a bit of an anchor for price like Kinect was for XBone. Not that I think an SSD useless like Kinect was (an SSD is a game changer) but would work out the same in terms of price, if Xbox had better specs with a conventional HDD and SSD as an option (and built for it, but doesn't get saddled with it).
Or come up with some other way of just making a single physical Xbox console that is 40% more powerful than PS5 and $100 less.
Xbox Scarlett Family
High-end Anaconda $499 SSD/$399 HDD (both 16 TF)
Inexpensive xCloud streaming console $199 (4TF, as it needs some compute)
PS5 $499 (12 TF)
They sold the PS4 for about $70 loss so why not? They can easily afford a slightly higher loss now compared to PS4 launch.
i mean around the corner on a wide consumer adoption rate. 1080p, 4k ... what TV tech for home entertainment is around the corner?
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we already are dipping into DV/HDR games. We already have Atmos games. We have capability with VRR. I guess we need that hdmi 2.1 full support to tout the bandwidth? hmmmm .. im afraid 8k will be used for both companies as a tagline to represent the power capability.
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I'm just gonna threadmark that video. It's been posted here like 5 times already LOL I still gotta watch it, though
Regarding the Epsilon leak, how many of you do actually believe it is likely now? I don't believe it but I'm curious. It's been re-posted constantly over the previous weeks so I've been noticing a, let's say, movement.
Just spent an hour reading through.
Thank you anex and all the other tech hardware guys (lots of people in here) that understand this and explain it here for the rest of us.
Looks like the big guys are battling to bring us great next gen machines and i cant wait to see what developers can do with it.
Thank you anex and all the other tech hardware guys (lots of people in here) that understand this and explain it here for the rest of us.
Looks like the big guys are battling to bring us great next gen machines and i cant wait to see what developers can do with it.
One of the problems with leaks and rumours is that sometimes someone who has legitimate information, can pass that info on with made up stuff to 'spice up' the rumour. Use credibility on one thing to pawn off other info that's completely baseless. I've seen it before on at least one occasion.
So, especially with paste bin or anonymous rumours, I'd subject everything to a smell test even if parts turn out to be true.
The following patent is associated with Mark S. Grossman, lead GPU architect of Xbox
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/20180364944.pdf
Lots of good stuff on Variable Rate Shading coming from Mr. Grossman
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/20190005712.pdf
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/10152819.pdf
Texture filtering
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/WO2018151870A1.pdf
Depth-aware reprojection (for HMD)
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/10129523.pdf
Tile-based texture operations
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/8587602.pdf
He is a former AMD engineer, so you can find him on lots of cross-fire multi-GPU patents as well.
A tweet for some context
Nice to see someone found out what's Arden.
Hope Argalus to be decrypted soon ;)
There are too many variables to the question to give one answer.
Even if we start with assuming that game is 100% GPU limited (not really a common thing) and never bandwidth limited (even more rare), the specific setup of the rendering pipeline can vary the final number.
Some workloads are display resolution agnostic (eg. shadow-map generation) and while we can obviously scale them up proportionally, it's not 'needed' to get to 4k. Some things are GPU compute/fill agnostic so you in effect end up 'wasting' more cycles compared to the slower GPU. Also bandwidth use might not scale linearly with resolution, putting more/less pressure on the faster GPU, etc.
The following patent is associated with Mark S. Grossman, lead GPU architect of Xbox
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/20180364944.pdf
Lots of good stuff on Variable Rate Shading coming from Mr. Grossman
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/20190005712.pdf
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/10152819.pdf
Texture filtering
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/WO2018151870A1.pdf
Depth-aware reprojection (for HMD)
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/10129523.pdf
Tile-based texture operations
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/8587602.pdf
He is a former AMD engineer, so you can find him on lots of cross-fire multi-GPU patents as well.
A tweet for some context
Interesting indeed. Have you seen the Scarlet leak over at B3D in the leaks thread? 8 pages of detailed and handwritten info of the Lockhart, Anaconda, devkit and xCloud.
Patents don't mean much and at the end of the day the ram setup being spoken of for ps5 is actually EXACTLY what you'd use in an early devkit that using a vega 64, so who knows. Also that person's twitter...my god, clearly they have some technical knowledge but I remember less console war shit on the playground during the N64 days *shudder*. Chiplet is a different approach, not a better approach. It's not an HBM2 V. GDDR6 where it's clearly better and only thing holding it back is price. It's a different approach that has its benefits and drawbacks not automatically better performance
Isn't about if they can or not ...I think 100 dollars loss is too much ...but that just my opinion
Can I ask if is 100% true that Sony loss 70$ per console? There's some link?
Arden HBM confirmed? :)
Not sure what you're referring to. Is it not in this thread?
https://forum.beyond3d.com/threads/...tion-with-a-technical-spin-2019.61027/page-65
Sony and MS are basically making the same console. if there is anyone that knows how much it costs it's MS. They know the TDP limits of an APU, the know how much its going to cost to put an SSD inside, they know what adding ray tracing cores would do to the cost.
and i dont think its too late. we are still a year and a half away. its not like last gen when sony announced their console only 8 months before launch. MS already has a powerful console, all they would have to do is throwaway the r&D on their backup which was going to dilute the mark and impact supplies.
Here: https://forum.beyond3d.com/posts/2066117/
Not sure if its serious or not. Just stumbled on it.
The following patent is associated with Mark S. Grossman, lead GPU architect of Xbox
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/20180364944.pdf
Lots of good stuff on Variable Rate Shading coming from Mr. Grossman
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/20190005712.pdf
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/10152819.pdf
Texture filtering
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/WO2018151870A1.pdf
Depth-aware reprojection (for HMD)
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/10129523.pdf
Tile-based texture operations
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/8587602.pdf
He is a former AMD engineer, so you can find him on lots of cross-fire multi-GPU patents as well.
A tweet for some context
What does this stuff mean lol?
It was said to be profitable after a PS Plus membership purchase and one new game sale. That's $60 to $70. So even at their lowest point as a corporation they took a decent loss at launch. No link right now.
To paraphrase they're very skeptical. Two cpu chiplets and 1 GPU chiplet makes no sense. Waste of die space and antithetical to how consoles are designed
I had once asked about dual CPU in the old thread. My reasoning was if Stadia can combine CPU/GPU/RAM from 2 single instances into a super instance then why can't chiplets let you do the same thing.
$60 + $10-13 loss. Hmm, now after ps4 era a $100 loss per console doesn't seem so unrealistic.
I want a $600 console sold for 500 instead of $500 console sold for 400.
Maybe that's why anaconda will "perform" better than ps5.double cpu ,better fps ;)
Does.this mean Lockhart has 1/2 the ram of anaconda?One of the images posted.
One of the images posted.
To be blunt, they say it makes no sense. Two cpu chiplets, 1 GPU chiplet. The purpose of the 2nd cpu chiplet is for cooling
Probably right, but the streaming console needs some amount of local compute power. We don't know how much that is, or what exactly it has to accomplish .
Just Google Eurogamer's article on it. It doesn't seem too unreasonable for Sony to add $30-$40 onto that figure for PS5. Especially when digital sales have increased by such a large percentage this gen.
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