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Next-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation launch thread - MY ANACONDA DON'T WANT NONE
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Leaks have always suggested 20gb for games and 4gb for os.i haven't seen a rumor with 6 for os
4 GB for OS means little to no increase (with I assume lower speed than GDDR5), wouldnt they rather add some more ram for more features (high res streaming, additional online capabilities etc.)?
and i am assuming with the 6GB to match 24GB in total.
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This is pretty much exactly what I was expecting, and makes the most sense with what we know about the upcoming tech.
There is no way to incorporate a SSD with a high enough capacity at a good speed for next gen games with a reasonably priced console. So previously in this thread I said I think the only way to do it is to have an SSD cache, but the benefit is you can stick it on the board with custom interconnects making it super duper fast - so in some ways it would be better than a straight off the shelf SSD - gives the potential to essentially use it as slower RAM which could be great.
TF is what I would expect, team 8TF are smoking some disappointing crack. 56CU is probably a 64CU chiplet with 8CU disabled for yield reasons - very similar to what they did with the PS4. Either that or the remaining space of the 8CU is instead filled with the RT tech, though that could be a separate chiplet.
RAM - again what would be necessary for a generational leap, remember this is only 2X the XBX.
Those specs at $500 is going to be a very compelling (but realistic) machine, and one that is worthy of carrying a new generation.
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I think there was a meeting, this might be legit.
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There WAS a meeting? How do you know? And what's that pic from?This is pretty much exactly what I was expecting, and makes the most sense with what we know about the upcoming tech.
There is no way to incorporate a SSD with a high enough capacity at a good speed for next gen games with a reasonably priced console. So previously in this thread I said I think the only way to do it is to have an SSD cache, but the benefit is you can stick it on the board with custom interconnects making it super duper fast - so in some ways it would be better than a straight off the shelf SSD - gives the potential to essentially use it as slower RAM which could be great.
TF is what I would expect, team 8TF are smoking some disappointing crack. 56CU is probably a 64CU chiplet with 8CU disabled for yield reasons - very similar to what they did with the PS4. Either that or the remaining space of the 8CU is instead filled with the RT tech, though that could be a separate chiplet.
RAM - again what would be necessary for a generational leap, remember this is only 2X the XBX.
Those specs at $500 is going to be a very compelling (but realistic) machine, and one that is worthy of carrying a new generation.
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I think there was a meeting, this might be legit.
I very much agree with this. Having technology with moving parts like HDD and optical drives makes me feel unclean now. My PC doesn't have them.
If that is true, I wonder if MS goes with a heavily modified GPU to take advantage of Direct X ray tracing.This is pretty much exactly what I was expecting, and makes the most sense with what we know about the upcoming tech.
There is no way to incorporate a SSD with a high enough capacity at a good speed for next gen games with a reasonably priced console. So previously in this thread I said I think the only way to do it is to have an SSD cache, but the benefit is you can stick it on the board with custom interconnects making it super duper fast - so in some ways it would be better than a straight off the shelf SSD - gives the potential to essentially use it as slower RAM which could be great.
TF is what I would expect, team 8TF are smoking some disappointing crack. 56CU is probably a 64CU chiplet with 8CU disabled for yield reasons - very similar to what they did with the PS4. Either that or the remaining space of the 8CU is instead filled with the RT tech, though that could be a separate chiplet.
RAM - again what would be necessary for a generational leap, remember this is only 2X the XBX.
Those specs at $500 is going to be a very compelling (but realistic) machine, and one that is worthy of carrying a new generation.
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I think there was a meeting, this might be legit.
Unless the joint venture doesn't stop AMD from offering the Sony+AMD Navi to be sold to MS.
what in here proves exactly that it was:EDIT:
I think there was a meeting, this might be legit.
A: a real meeting with sony
B: dev kit information was talked about in there.
like, this picture could have been taken basically anywhere.
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Where are you buying 2TB+ SSD drives that can realistically be put into a $400-500 console?
The only way to offer both capacity and speed is to have a standard HDD for storage and a ssd cache. But this does have benefits, namely means a user upgradable HDD (like PS3 and PS4) and the ability to have a custom and potentially much faster SSD solution than over PCIE.
According to the Exif data from that picture, it was taken on April 17 2019 (one day after the wired article). But that can be edited. Unfortunately there are no GPS coordinates, lol.
If you're asking for incontrovertible proof you're never going to get it. Let's just say that there are a couple of things about this that add up - both with the details and the meeting.
Take it or leave it, we'll see next year...
Interesting :) What was the point of that alleged meeting anyway?
of course they make sense, we already know a lot about the next gen target so that anyone can fake that.
i am saying that pictures that could be taken literally anywhere and have a sony logo that could just be photoshopped dont prove anything.
You don't NEED to provide any details. But you know some stuff about the ps5, don't you?
Same. I think there is a reason stadia is at 10.7 TF. Google surely must have had some idea what the TF performance of the next gen consoles is going to be and targeted that. My guess is between 10-11 TF.
Well, there is part of a Sony sign in the background, someone has a swag bag that you can make out "Sony" on, and everyone seems to have badges with lanyards that say Sony on them.
It could be photoshop, or maybe it's a pic from an unrelated Sony event, but there are a lot of little details that make it seem like it's not just a random pic.
Doesnt have sense to develope the RT hardware with AMD taking as a start point the custom development of the ID buffer?.Is an element that could be heavily involved as a buffer to calculate intersections.
i see what you mean, and considering some things in here this looks difficult to photoshop, so we confirmed one thing, that these are people in a sony building. we also have supposedly a time stamp in the image file directing to a day after the article went up like the poster said (however, as was mentioned these stuff can be altered).
Yep, just zoom in... lots of details. It's actually a pretty high quality pic.
I'm undecided if that's a PlayStation menu screen on the right.
But who took such a random pic....and how did doctor avatar get it?
The most probable reason Stadia is 10.7 TF is that it made itself future proof with a game available to be rendered with multiple GPUs.
he didn't, that reddit user posted it an hour ago.
zen 2 8 core 3.2Ghz clock
Navi GPU 1.8Ghz clock with 56CU for 12.9TF with hardware based ray tracing solution that is co developed between sony and AMD (the source for the "AMD are making Navi for Sony" rumors according to the post is the ray tracing).
24GB of unspecified ram
"Custom embeded Solid State solution paired with HDD"
I will say this again, unless proven otherwise this is just a reddit post that have yet to provide any major proof for its claims other than pictures from a supposed event, so dont go in expecting such a high end device just to be disappointed when it ends up being false. I am staying with 11TF for now.
What the fuck .that is toward upper level of gpu power I was expecting .ofcourse it could be fake as duck .
Cautiously excited
of course it could be fake, the poster did provide two images from a supposed dev kit meeting that happened a day after the wired article went up as his proof:
that would be the Xbox One X with its 6 TeraFlops GPU and 12GB GDDR5 memory.
Assuming this is real (that you shouldnt assume because its a random reddit post), then yea because that hardware ray tracing is something that Sony and AMD partnered up to create rather than some built in ray tracing features in upcoming Navi chips.
Well, Klobrille already implied MS won't have any kind of hardware based raytracing and based on his second post they are going do a PR war, downplaying dedicated hardware raytracing in favor of a software solution.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/xb...plays-we-all-win.94058/page-344#post-20201579
https://www.resetera.com/threads/xb...plays-we-all-win.94058/page-345#post-20203441
Interesting . But software raytracing has been done since ps3 era .we shall wait and see rather than prejudging .
Just read his posts ,if he is an insider then it definitely sounds like MS is trying to down play hadrware dedicated core for raytracing .
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From what I understand (correct me if I'm wrong), the RT cores used in the RTX are not specifically 'ray-tracing cores', but just cores designed to do a shitload of small calculations, which is what ray-tracing requires. I wanted to know, is there anything else that type of core is good at, that it could be used for when ray-tracing isn't used?
I think there will be a new standalone version, but old PS4 game will be emulated [limited to checkerboarded 4K30].
yea, that does read like MS would rather just use their API without specialized RT hardware acceleration. that might mean that if sony really do opt for hardware ray tracing, they will probably be less powerful than the competition in raw performance, i wonder how that would be even'd out.
Then again, i dont see a console coming out with such high raw teraflop count while still having hardware based ray tracing, it just sounds too much unlikely.
I disagree, i think you could just patch them to PS5 version, but a PS5 disc will already include the update.
That there is no dedicated RT hardware it does not mean it is software based RT. AMD Async Compute may good enough to support the planned RT use cases. Especially if AMD has adapted DXR in their microcode implementation. There is no law you have to have RT fixed hardware. A very good example is the demo that ran on the Vega 56 though we don't know resolution and frame rate the demo run with.
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My guess is that the 3000 series is going to be similar to the 1000 series, a Tick. Pascal didn't improve much, it was basically Maxwell on a 16nm node. Turing was a huge architectural change, my guess is that the 3000 series will be Turing on a 7nm node with a new name (just like 16nm Maxwell was called Pascal).
Last time they did a big node shrink, they had more than double the performance. The 980ti was 5.6 TFLOPS while the 1080ti was 11.3 TFLOPS while the die actually shrunk! I don't know if the 3000 will be a huge jump like the 1000 series but if it is even close, it will be insane. I mean the Titan RTX is 16.3 TFLOPS, if they just get a 50% improvement we are talking about a 25 TFLOPS GPU.
Regarding the RT cores, I'm guessing they will leave the SM alone so that's 1 RT core per SM. I wish they will remove the Tensor cores and replace them with RT cores, but I don't think that it will happen.
That's software RT :)
It can be used basiclly just for ray-tracing but ray-tracing has other uses like ai path finding, ai line of vision, sound wave bouncing or hit detection.
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That Reddit "leak" doesn't do too badly with specs, at least they calculated the TF count correctly LMAO
But like a lot of those types of posts, they always include one unnecessary piece of into that ruins their credibility. The picture of the event makes zero sense. No PS5 event would have Sony branding plastered all over but no PlayStation branding anywhere to be found.
But like a lot of those types of posts, they always include one unnecessary piece of into that ruins their credibility. The picture of the event makes zero sense. No PS5 event would have Sony branding plastered all over but no PlayStation branding anywhere to be found.
If this turns out to be true, consider me shocked, because I always expected MS to go for a specialized hardware solution while Sony doesn't.
I meant dedicated hardware cores for RT to assist with the software side of things.
So what u r saying is microcode will create a situation where no major performance drawback is not created due to Ray tracing ?
Anaconda ~14tflops + software based ray-tracing
PS5 ~13tflops + hardware based ray-tracing
Which one do you prefer?
PS5 ~13tflops + hardware based ray-tracing
Which one do you prefer?
Agreed, around 11TF is my current top end prediction, I'm not latching on to anything in the 12-14 range unless we get multiple sources pointing to it.
The alleged event was a Sony corporate event. Not a playstation press event.
The only PS5 or playstation specific stuff at events like that would be on the slides, which would be on the possession of a Sony employee. They actively wouldn't want Playstation branding plastered everywhere.
A healthy degree of skepticism is good. Mental gymnastics to be needlessly cynical is not. "Playstation isn't plastered everywhere therefore it makes no sense and can't possibly be true" is definitely the latter.
Evidence we have that all fits together. Gonzalo. The timing of this event. The pictures. The metadata of the pictures. And the only confirmed info we have from the Wired article. And all of those things are completely compatible. Gonzalo, the leak and the Cerny info all add up. Could the reddit leak be fake? Sure, but people dismissing the photos, and the fact it all lines up with all other info we have (gonzalo, cerny) is foolhardy.
This and gonzalo are the most credible leaks we have. They both corroborate each other AND what cerny has revealed through Wired.
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I don't think what he said suggests no RT hw for the next Xbox.
What he said is true of nVidia's RTX solution, and of anything coming anytime soon in terms RT specific hardware I think. That is, some mix of some compute ('software') resources with acceleration of some components in more specific hardware. Now in fairness, RTX (for example) does accelerate a lot, but it does also lean a bit into plain compute.
(That's forgetting that even with all the specialised hardware in the world, you need a software layer (api) to talk to it. So to talk in terms that includes 'software' certainly doesn't rule out some RT specific hardware stuff at some level)
IMO, a bit, yes. At least at the price/cost thresholds I've been expecting (for PS5).
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For now raytracing for me is a marketing word untill I see real difference between the two version .so for now higher TF .
But those TF numbers are high for both
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