Viale

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Papa NieR makes his entire self-sacrifice relatable, which drives the entire plot. The weird brother-sister thing is super weird for western audiences.
Papa NieR's relationship with Kaine and Emil makes him feel like a clumsy goof, which also makes him more relatable and charming.


Ehhh, I feel like you're supposed to get a bit of romantic vibes from Kaine and NieR's relationship. Which is kind of weird if he's like double her age. His relationship with Emil also felt like it's supposed to go for an older brother vibe which also comes off as strange considering the age gap.

People acting like you can't have self sacrifice with out it being a parent->child relationship is the more strange thing tbh.
 

MaxAugust

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Papa NieR makes his entire self-sacrifice relatable, which drives the entire plot. The weird brother-sister thing is super weird for western audiences.
Papa NieR's relationship with Kaine and Emil makes him feel like a clumsy goof, which also makes him more relatable and charming.
Do ya'll hate your siblings or something? And its not like media where an older sibling acts as a surrogate father are uncommon i. the West. It is a pretty common sign if hard times.
 
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via PCGamesN:

"Unfortunately, the PC port comes with plenty of problems. There are no options for VSync and framerate limit, which is important because running it above 60fps speeds Replicant's animations up, making boss fights much harder than they should be. A regular stutter, which seems to be linked to a controller issue on Steam, is equally annoying – mine would periodically disconnect during these stutters, so I suspect it has something to do with how it's handling controller detection with Steam rather than poor optimisation. Whatever the culprit turns out to be, it's not much fun to deal with in the middle of a fight."

That sounds very not good
 

Slacker247

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Combat being improved is good thing, but how much of an improvement? The original was...not great in my honest opinion, and I found it quite boring.
 

Rowsdower

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Playing Nier Replicant with a locked 60fps on console will be amazing. I loved the OG Nier (Gestalt) but woof at the framerate. The poor PS3 was crying at points.
 

EatChildren

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I consider Nier: Automata to be essential, as such I think if you're a mildly curious Automata fan, you'll come away from Nier disappointed. You have played the better Nier game already. This reissue is meant for lore nerds, for hardcore fans, for completionists, oldschool Nier evangelists, basically everyone who's already decided to buy the game before reading this.

I love Automata and undeniably it plays smoother than Replicant/Gestalt, but throughout my entire play I could not shake the feeling that it was not up there with Replicant/Gestalt in its characters, writing, and surprises. Both in terms of narrative and design. So opinions and all that, but yeah. For as good as it is I cannot imagine myself personally considering Automata as the "better Nier game". Replicant/Gestalt landed so very much harder and with such poignancy in ways Automata did not, and was especially more surprising and inventive in its scenarios design and genre shifts.
 

Hoggle

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Series X, sorry. I already know there isn't really any next-gen enhancements (or even One X/Pro enhancements), just wondering about it in general.

Well I'm an hour in now on series X.As it's just running in BC mode it has 16xanisotropic filtering (not sure if the PS version does, too). It also supports auto HDR but I turned that off for now.

Running off the SSD load times are 3-6 seconds long. Framerate is locked to 60. And eye balling it I'd guess it's 1080p going off the aliasing.
I'd imagine the PS version is essentially the same, but it's possible things like shadow quality could be slightly higher.
 

strudelkuchen

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Combat being improved is good thing, but how much of an improvement? The original was...not great in my honest opinion, and I found it quite boring.
via https://www.pcgamesn.com/nier-replicant/cut-content:
"I feel that the battles in Automata being so highly regarded was all down to Platinum Games' contribution," he says. "That experience has undoubtedly been carried over into Replicant. It was a massive help having Mr Taura and the Automata team overseeing and tweaking the system, too."
 

strudelkuchen

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It's 4K/60fps on PS5.
1080p was stated in the previews.

via https://twinfinite.net/2021/04/nier-replicant-ps5-xbox-series-x-enhancements/ from April 22, 2021:
"Nier Replicant runs at 60 FPS and 1080p on PS4 and Xbox One consoles, and even on the Xbox One X and PS4 Pro, the resolution and framerate remain the same."

"It appears as though Square Enix and developer Toylogic have decided against bumping the resolution further in Nier Replicant on PS5 and Xbox Series X, though there's nothing to say a post-launch update won't optimize the title for the systems."
 

KDC720

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No OT yet so I'll ask here. I never played the original game but I have watched Let's Plays and story analysis vids of it so I know all the twists and reveals. Would this still be worth picking up right away or would I be better off waiting for a sale or Game Pass?

I really enjoyed Automata for what it's worth, but the reviews stating they haven't done much to improve the side content has me feeling a bit tepid.
 
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I'm wondering, how many remakes have scored higher than the original game?

Hyped about this one, especially the music!
 

Plum

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Well I'm an hour in now on series X.As it's just running in BC mode it has 16xanisotropic filtering (not sure if the PS version does, too). It also supports auto HDR but I turned that off for now.

Running off the SSD load times are 3-6 seconds long. Framerate is locked to 60. And eye balling it I'd guess it's 1080p going off the aliasing.
I'd imagine the PS version is essentially the same, but it's possible things like shadow quality could be slightly higher.

Cool, thanks! I think I'll grab it on Xbox, then. Shame about the 1080p but it's not as big a downside when there's nothing to compare it to (except PC, which I don't have).
 

Slacker247

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Oct 27, 2017
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If nier wasnt for you, this probably STILL isnt for you.
Meant the combat specifically was quite boring in the first game.

via https://www.pcgamesn.com/nier-replicant/cut-content:
"I feel that the battles in Automata being so highly regarded was all down to Platinum Games' contribution," he says. "That experience has undoubtedly been carried over into Replicant. It was a massive help having Mr Taura and the Automata team overseeing and tweaking the system, too."
Nice, good to know.
 

ConfusedOwl

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Oct 27, 2017
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My refund for my Greenmangaming order was accepted so get it while you can if you went that route. I'm done with SE on PC. Getting this on PS4/5.
 

Ruisu

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Do ya'll hate your siblings or something? And its not like media where an older sibling acts as a surrogate father are uncommon i. the West. It is a pretty common sign if hard times.
Yeah Brother Nier treats his sister like she was his daughter, the western version just makes this narrative element more obvious with him being her literal father.

People who call their relationship weird just do it because it's a japanese game.
 

Soulflarz

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Oct 25, 2017
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Waiit I still dont get it, the pc ports lacking features but...is that worse than a console version? Am i being dumb?
 

Neuroxia

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I consider Nier: Automata to be essential, as such I think if you're a mildly curious Automata fan, you'll come away from Nier disappointed. You have played the better Nier game already. This reissue is meant for lore nerds, for hardcore fans, for completionists, oldschool Nier evangelists, basically everyone who's already decided to buy the game before reading this.

Hmm, never played the original but this isn't selling me tbh, despite loving Automata.

Doesn't sound like a great port. If I'm getting any time soon I'll be getting it for PC though as I can't stomach 1080p.. if they announced a XSX/PS5 version it might make my decision easier.

I'd argue that describes Automata to a tee though. At least for me. If I wanted to be critical, I could have torn Automata to shreds. But I loved it precisely because it was more than a sum of its parts.

I loved both titles and while Automata has some things that are a little better, overall i consider the original Nier to be the better game.
Kinda hard for me to imagine someone liking one and disliking the other.

With all the updates ver.1.22474487139 should be even better now.
 

Soulflarz

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It's not just lack of features, there seem to be actual problems. No frame limit causing issues with game speed, controller issues, etc.
I...mean
Controller disconnecting is a nonissue unless im missing something, idk how a port causes controller dc (just dont use steam controller)
And framecap it

Thats pretty minor to refund over, am i being weird or thats like 5m of effort to get around for whats presumably a better version overall?
 

steviestar3

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The review I watched this morning from GVG mentioned that it ran in 4k... sounds like that might be inaccurate though.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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from PC Gamer:

"There are no options related to framerate, and it appears to cap at 60 fps. You can bump up or down texture filtering, shadows, reflections, and LOD, but there could have been so much more here. I ran into a few odd technical problems, too, like serious frame drops when I accidentally unplugged my controller, or a persistent issue where my mouse point kept reappearing on my screen during cutscenes, which was not great for the game's sense of gravitas."

Damn there goes my day 1. Hope they actually fix and patch this one soon.
 

Anddo

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Oct 28, 2017
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Sad about the PC port but I think I'm keeping my GMG preorder. I mean $45vs$65 is a big deal. I'll just frame cap for framerate issues. I also use the MS adapter for Xbox controllers so that should help with the disconnects, or just play wired.
 
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March 8th. They'll accept refunds for pre-orders as long as they haven't sent out the keys. I asked for store credit which probably smoothed over the process as well.
I did it as well, though they did the refund to my Paypal immediately, I will get it eventually on PC when it's fixed, but for the moment I will pick up the PS4 version. Thank you for the info!
 

cowbanana

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I...mean
Controller disconnecting is a nonissue unless im missing something, idk how a port causes controller dc (just dont use steam controller)
And framecap it

Thats pretty minor to refund over, am i being weird or thats like 5m of effort to get around for whats presumably a better version overall?

You're not weird. I can almost guarantee that I will not have controller issues with an Xbox One wired controller and vsync is like the easiest thing to handle ever. 5 minutes is a vast exaggeration of a 5 second fix, if your standard setup doesn't handle this by default.
 

ConfusedOwl

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I...mean
Controller disconnecting is a nonissue unless im missing something, idk how a port causes controller dc (just dont use steam controller)
And framecap it

Thats pretty minor to refund over, am i being weird or thats like 5m of effort to get around for whats presumably a better version overall?

After Automata they needed this to be a perfect port. Not worth giving SE the benefit of the doubt anymore. I'd rather just play the console version but to each their own.

I did it as well, though they did the refund to my Paypal immediately, I will get it eventually on PC when it's fixed, but for the moment I will pick up the PS4 version. Thank you for the info!

Oh well that's good then. You're welcome!
 

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A lot of Automata fans aren't going to like this, the original was niche for good reasons, but I'm excited and I'm sure many newcomers will appreciate it. Reviews so far seem to be indicating that.
 

Suede

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Good to see how it's turned out. Looking forward to experiencing the story again when I get around to it.
 

Soulflarz

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You're not weird. I can almost guarantee that I will not have controller issues with an Xbox One wired controller and vsync is like the easiest thing to handle ever. 5 minutes is a vast exaggeration of a 5 second fix, if your standard setup doesn't handle this by default.
Was being nice to it, but yeah, ds4windows+turning vsync on sounds...really trivial

Im not happy that steam releases a day later basically.
 

Raigor

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via PCGamesN:

"Unfortunately, the PC port comes with plenty of problems. There are no options for VSync and framerate limit, which is important because running it above 60fps speeds Replicant's animations up, making boss fights much harder than they should be. A regular stutter, which seems to be linked to a controller issue on Steam, is equally annoying – mine would periodically disconnect during these stutters, so I suspect it has something to do with how it's handling controller detection with Steam rather than poor optimisation. Whatever the culprit turns out to be, it's not much fun to deal with in the middle of a fight."

I knew it.

Square Enix can fuck off with this shit.

I really hope this one tanks on PC