I'm not arguing your points at all, I'm arguing the fact that someone complains about a thread going a certain way, then single-handedly being the one making the thread go that way.I'm that other user, neither or us are advocating for piracy or something.
If you can't handle people having a conversation in a discussion forum....
Nah, I like my threads unfiltered.
But what good is preservation if the public can never see it? Like yeah it's sitting in a basement safe somewhere but its as good as lost to us if its not accessible.
then you have to deal with them i guess
And everything was going well so what are you trying to pull?I'm not arguing your points at all, I'm arguing the fact that someone complains about a thread going a certain way, then single-handedly being the one making the thread go that way.
On their latest system you just really need a subscription these days.Nah, the "preservation" argument in 2019 doesn't stick
If you want to preserve your games so much, you can buy a virtual copy from Nintendo directly. Done, a legal copy.
The obvious and funny contradictions, and now that it's done it's all good.
It's not "sitting in a basement somewhere"
What good is it, is that it still exists. It lives to fight another day. Things change, perhaps one day in the future the people who granted us permission to back up the source will allow us to release it, or perhaps Sega will one day come through and officially release it in some capacity. Things which would NOT be possible if they existed on only one harddrive which eventually failed.
It's literally the difference between something existing and not existing. The idea that "preservation" extends only as far as "can I play it" is mind-bogglingly selfish.
It can be accessed, you just have to contact the people who have the copies and see if you can see it.Just because it can be released doesn't mean it will be. My viewpoint absolutely is not selfish, I don't care if I don't play it as long as it is accessible for the people. Not held back because a corporation is rich enough to control laws for its benefit.
but i am entitled to every single old game ever being offered to me on switch by nintendo and if not that justifies the existence of rom sites /sAnd no Earthbound Zero ain't on it but then again most people download SMW so it's not most people miss it.
Also if you want that game there's a digital copy waiting on the WiiU Eshop.
I think the percentage of pirates with the mentality of "what kind of sucker pays for something that you can get for FREE?" is probably pretty low.
Same thing happened to a closed MMO recently, no? They had the source code and people on 8chan started to dox the guy and threaten him to release it.pictures of my house, names of my family members, etc.
No love at all for the ROM scene
It's literally the difference between something existing and not existing. The idea that "preservation" extends only as far as "can I play it" is mind-bogglingly selfish.
It can be accessed, you just have to contact the people who have the copies and see if you can see it.
I want to see the 1st Star Wars in it's original form but that doesn't mean that it's monstrous that I can't get it for free online either.
Also it's not part of the public domain so there should be no expectation that the people get to see if the owners don't want to share it either.
Nah, the "preservation" argument in 2019 doesn't stick
If you want to preserve your games so much, you can buy a virtual copy from Nintendo directly. Done, a legal copy.
It can be accessed, you just have to contact the people who have the copies and see if you can see it.
I want to see the 1st Star Wars in it's original form but that doesn't mean that it's monstrous that I can't get it for free online either.
Also it's not part of the public domain so there should be no expectation that the people get to see if the owners don't want to share it either.
A thing exists as long as it is actually preserved and people have access to it.
Something put into a vault for one billionaire to enjoy isn't 'preserved'.
Also if there is only a single copy of some work and that copy is destroyed, that was not 'preservation' either.
then what incentive do the corporations have to fund and sponsor that art if the people feel like they're entitled to it for free?Well I am in favor of redefining copyright law. Personally think art belongs to the people and not corporations.
I always felt there was a difference between actual preservation and profiting off of piracy.Everyone's laughing at the paid membership for pirating (myself included) but pretty much all of these ROM sites are for-profit and get all their money from ads.
That's not the only point. Often it's also the only or most convenient way to get the thing you want, like if you want to play Switch or 3DS games on your PC, or if you want to be able to cheat or copy save files, etc
Game of Thrones in its early years wasn't so heavily pirated JUST because people wanted it for free, but because they didn't offer any reasnable alternative for people who didn't subscribe to cable TV
Holy shit your group went above and beyond the call of duty!It's pretty obvious that you are just arguing for the sake of arguing without even knowing what you're talking about, because WE DID RELEASE EVERYTHING. All builds (including builds never before seen publicly or announced), data files, art assets, etc. We just didn't release the source code, at the request of he who held it last, because he feared legal repercussion.
Going on and on about not having access to source code to a project that requires a cross-products Sega Saturn dev kit to build, or an Nvidia Diamond Edge NV1 card, both insanely rare pieces of hardware, is disingenous. You literally couldn't use either of these items if you had access to them.
Your viewpoint is that it's not preserved unless you can touch it. For example, at this very moment, the source code is NOT in my hands. It's still preserved.
You are not entitled to something that the owner is not willing to sell.No, but it DOES indeed suck that people can't go out and buy the original Star Wars how it was originally released on blu ray or any current medium.
Companies have the right to protect their IP's but damn give customers a MEANS to actually see/play them if they want to, don't just lock them down in some "vault" like Disney does with their movies.
In the meantime in the real world, art belonging to the people doesn't mean private companies profiting from the illegal distribution of something someone else owns.Well I am in favor of redefining copyright law. Personally think art belongs to the people and not corporations. Not even the people who work on this stuff own it a lot of the time which doesn't help things imo.
That's not the only point. Often it's also the only or most convenient way to get the thing you want, like if you want to play Switch or 3DS games on your PC, or if you want to be able to cheat or copy save files, etc
Game of Thrones in its early years wasn't so heavily pirated JUST because people wanted it for free, but because they didn't offer any reasnable alternative for people who didn't subscribe to cable TV
It is actually preserved, and people do have access to it.
Again, what a mischaracterization. None of us are billionaires -- the exact opposite in fact -- and it's not horded by one person. That's our entire definition of preservarion: something no longer singular (and thus vulnerable) in existance anymore. It's preserved, because the data existing doesn't hinge on a single person's ability to maintain data anymore.
Good thing that's that exact opposite of what happened.
OK. And?Games like Path of Radiance and Panzer Dragoon saga are literally unaffordable
Can you imagine how absurd it would be if the mad max fury road blu ray was $200?
"You arent entitled to enjoy Mad max so shut up"
Except Mad Max was infinitely more popular than your examples.Games like Path of Radiance and Panzer Dragoon saga are literally unaffordable
Can you imagine how absurd it would be if the mad max fury road blu ray was $200?
"You arent entitled to enjoy Mad max so shut up"
yeah you aren't entitled to those games if the company responsible for them isn't selling you new (physical or digital) copies and you can't afford old copies.Games like Path of Radiance and Panzer Dragoon saga are literally unaffordable
Can you imagine how absurd it would be if the mad max fury road blu ray was $200?
"You arent entitled to enjoy Mad max so shut up"
Holy shit your group went above and beyond the call of duty!
You are not entitled to something that the owner is not willing to sell.
And really in most cases you have IP owners doing their best with the resources they have to satiate the demand.
Gaming companies now understand that people are willing to pay good money to access old games.
They're even remaking old games to help people have the best experience with their products.
Of course they can't do everything and demand is clearly not infinite so that only touch the most popular products (or in the case of FFCC, not even that).
In the meantime in the real world, art belonging to the people doesn't mean private companies profiting from the illegal distribution of something someone else owns.
Does it actually bother you if someone were to pirate a game that isn't being sold anymore?yeah you aren't entitled to those games if the company responsible for them isn't selling you new (physical or digital) copies and you can't afford old copies.
Talking about what you said, not what you did, which I'm still not even sure what it's about.
Preservation is taking steps to ensure that data won't be lost due to a single harddrive crash.
Something put into a vault for one billionaire to enjoy isn't 'preserved'. Also if there is only a single copy of some work and that copy is destroyed, that was not 'preservation' either.
Does it actually bother you if someone were to pirate a game that isn't being sold anymore?
Games like Path of Radiance and Panzer Dragoon saga are literally unaffordable
Can you imagine how absurd it would be if the mad max fury road blu ray was $200?
"You arent entitled to enjoy Mad max so shut up"
it doesn't bother me personally, i just think people saying fuck companies for going after rom sites is a really dumb thing to say. they're protecting their properties, as is their right.Does it actually bother you if someone were to pirate a game that isn't being sold anymore?
you would think people would know by now that nintendo has copies of everything (including 3rd party games) in their archive.Please stop Nintendo. You need to get your roms from somewhere so you can dump them on your NSO service.
Even before we had access to the source codes, people like Andrew77 had been working with Chris Senn for years to dig through his old harddrives and archive the data files. Ironically, Senn's original website, SXC, is now offline, but we preserved it as a mirror: http://scp.webulate.com/
JollyRoger managed to take the Nvidia NV1 build, pull out the proprietary rendering code, replace it with OpenGL code, and released it as a normal executable people can run on their modern computers.
Without revealing too much about the source of the leak, having the source code publicly available could have not only brought legal reprecussion, but could have also affected his ability to continue working in the industry.
But no, "what good is it all if xXSo-and-soXx59 on GameRoms.Com can't download the source"??
Yeah but the thing is it's not even close to the situation at hand here.Umm no, Disney is TERRIBLE at this. You should look up the whole "Disney Vault" shit that they did back with VHS movies where they literally would sell movies for a "limited time" and then "place them back in their vault" (IE stop selling them, even though they could easily keep doing that) which basically did NOTHING but screw over the fans and customers and instead fostered a "collectors" driven market that drove prices up sky high for movies and made it harder for normal/poor people to be able to afford movies unless they bought them at retail asap when they released them.
Star Wars have been WISHING and BEGGING for an "original cut" release of Star Wars, Lucas refused and now Disney seems to be doing the same thing.
I never said people were entitled to go around them and get it, however that doesn't mean it's not an asshole and dick move to deny people a means to literally GIVE YOU MONEY for a product you once made and now for no real reason "refuse" to allow them to buy, it's never NOT going to be a dick move imo.
Old wrong meme is still old and wrong.Please stop Nintendo. You need to get your roms from somewhere so you can dump them on your NSO service.
Games like Path of Radiance and Panzer Dragoon saga are literally unaffordable
Can you imagine how absurd it would be if the mad max fury road blu ray was $200?
"You arent entitled to enjoy Mad max so shut up"
True, but the mentality against piracy is that the people responsible for making the game are entitled to payment for their work.yeah you aren't entitled to those games if the company responsible for them isn't selling you new (physical or digital) copies and you can't afford old copies.
Well I am in favor of redefining copyright law. Personally think art belongs to the people and not corporations. Not even the people who work on this stuff own it a lot of the time which doesn't help things imo.