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NPR: Group of Democrats moving to oppose Nancy Pelosi's campaign for speaker of the House
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I can go ahead and give you the name right now: Tim Ryan. It's Tim Ryan.
Get out of here, people are contesting his lies in public everyday. What you really want is someone to punch him everytime he tells lies and while that may be satisfying, it's unrealistic. I got news for you, there is no Speaker that is going to change Trump's behavior while he's in office. His base will eat up his words no matter who is yelling at him from the other side.
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And this is why these conversations are fruitless.... the people opposing Pelosi are conservative Dems who will 99.9% put forward Tim Ryan, as they always do, who is a conservative Dem. You're cheering on a bunch of mostly white conservatives dem men who claim to be the silent majority and who want a less progressive party that will compromise leaps and bounds with the GOP.
Yet here you are going "yeah get rid of her" and then when asked "who?" defaulting to them (because you didn't read the thread I'd assume and have no idea who they are) and assuming they'll bail your calls for her head out with a name.
Nancy deserves the speakership, I know a lot of example have been giving. However, I want to add there is no one in congress who evidence shows could do the job better than her.
Even looking at Schumer the closest person with a job analogous to her's you can see how adept she has been in her role. Obviously some congress people want more power than her but this isn't the time for that which also shows their inability to lead.
Even looking at Schumer the closest person with a job analogous to her's you can see how adept she has been in her role. Obviously some congress people want more power than her but this isn't the time for that which also shows their inability to lead.
Well if our only choice is Tim Ryan, then I stand corrected.
If they can find someone else willing to fire up the party, even an outsider or newcomer, and move against the current administration then I'm all for replacing her.
If she survives this attempt to replace her then I hope she proves me wrong.
All I know is this terrorist in the white house needs to be stopped and whoever is leading the house needs to bring the full force of their political might to block his attempt at destroying our democracy
If they can find someone else willing to fire up the party, even an outsider or newcomer, and move against the current administration then I'm all for replacing her.
If she survives this attempt to replace her then I hope she proves me wrong.
All I know is this terrorist in the white house needs to be stopped and whoever is leading the house needs to bring the full force of their political might to block his attempt at destroying our democracy
An outsider or newcomer being speaker makes 0 sense since experience and relationships are big components of it.
Just now received an email from change.org.
They are promoting Barbara Lee to become the next speaker of the House
They are promoting Barbara Lee to become the next speaker of the House
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Anybody could see that coming a mile away. Even before the Dems won back the House people were screaming about Pelosi. Being a GOP strategist must be one of the easiest jobs in the world.
I can assure you these folks were ready to go for Pelosi either way. They were starting this stupid shit months ago. Had we lost big election night they would have been even louder.....
Notice how they blame her for the loss of seats under Obama? (Its stupid to do so because thats not her responsibility, but stick with me) Yet we have a Blue Wave here and strangely none of those same posters are giving her credit for it? Its always been bullshit
Faaaaaaaaaacts
You didn't answer the question. What do you think the Speaker's job is?
Because Leader At Large of the party isnt it.
Nancy? She's competent enough. Her record speaks for her. As long as she ain't running for President or something, her record is already smeared. But God damn she's the new Clinton all of a sudden, definitely on some people's lips around me. So she's doing something right.
What doesn't help are her poor speeches and lines fed to the media. Bad form to be seen saying she'll work with Trump. Fuck that. I'm a PoC and I voted straight blue to be AGAINST that orange fuck. No quarter to him. None. If she works with that fucker I'm gonna be pissed.
What doesn't help are her poor speeches and lines fed to the media. Bad form to be seen saying she'll work with Trump. Fuck that. I'm a PoC and I voted straight blue to be AGAINST that orange fuck. No quarter to him. None. If she works with that fucker I'm gonna be pissed.
Leftist hero Bernie Sanders has stated publicly that he would work with Trump if the circumstances were right. It's lip service to bipartisanship.
She was able to mitigate many of the legislative damages that progressives would have taken in the last two years by keeping her minority caucus tight. Most of them are unseen and the boring stuff so most people are unaware that it happened. Despite the Supreme Court and tax bill wins by Republicans, it could have been much, much worse. Like the repeal of Obamacare.
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It's sad that I, as an european, seem to know more about Nancy Pelosi and her job than her vocal american critics that want her gone to appease Republicans.
Why is fox news propaganda simply repeated uncritically here? Their reach seems to be absurd if even dems believe it over actual reality.
Why is fox news propaganda simply repeated uncritically here? Their reach seems to be absurd if even dems believe it over actual reality.
Bunch of high schoolers got all their information from leftist podcasts and decided they can talk politics at the grown up table next Thanksgiving
sometimes because kids grow up in conservative families in conservative communities and soak things up without realizing it.
sometimes because the people we see online started learning about politics post-2010 and have developed an assumption that anyone who'd previously held a Dem leadership position was awful.
I will state once again, anyone who thinks nancy pelosi is bad at her job does not know what her job is.
Part of it is the paternalistic nature of US society as a whole. Even liberals can be a tad misogynistic even if they aren't conscious of it. Hillary suffered from it, black women in politics continue to live it and it's no surprise that Nancy is a victim of it as well.
Yeah, I saw that in the Cortez thread. Outright right-wing talking points spewed about completely uncritically, before she had any chance to do literally anything, all because she pointed at a problem that we know exists (housing).
Haha.
The assumptions of other poster's perspectives recently in this thread are as incorrect as the alleged ignorance that they are criticizing in others regarding Nancy Pelosi.
The assumptions of other poster's perspectives recently in this thread are as incorrect as the alleged ignorance that they are criticizing in others regarding Nancy Pelosi.
If you display ignorance and everyone mocks you for it, you can insist all you want that you've totally owned everyone, you're still turning into a corn cob. Sorry, that's the rules.
Whatever nobody said anything about owning anyone. We were having a discussion and I even suggested that I could be proven wrong.
Otherwise some apparently feel the need to prove they are superior.
Good luck with all that
Otherwise some apparently feel the need to prove they are superior.
Good luck with all that
What's happening in this country is no laughing matter.
Anyone that cares to put an end to the madness should be open to any new opportunities to make things shift back on track.
Baing married to one road to success , i.e Pelosi, may well prove to be a mistake.
But go ahead defending without entertaining some other options or tactics.
Regardless of how well Pelosi has done in her role up until now, desperate times call for desperate measures. If she survives this attempt by her colleagues to replace her I guess we will see. If she doesn't survive to retain her leadership role, I guess we will see if that was correct.
Nobody knows how to handle this nonsense that's happening now.
Anyone that cares to put an end to the madness should be open to any new opportunities to make things shift back on track.
Baing married to one road to success , i.e Pelosi, may well prove to be a mistake.
But go ahead defending without entertaining some other options or tactics.
Regardless of how well Pelosi has done in her role up until now, desperate times call for desperate measures. If she survives this attempt by her colleagues to replace her I guess we will see. If she doesn't survive to retain her leadership role, I guess we will see if that was correct.
Nobody knows how to handle this nonsense that's happening now.
I'd respond with k again but I'm afraid of getting warned, lmao
I'm sure Tim will do a good job
I'm sure Tim will do a good job
Someone on my Facebook friend list has taken up this talking point. The names he put out were Lee, Khanna, and Jayapal. I think Khanna and Jayapal are weird choices since they just fucking got there, but is there an argument against Lee?
I dunno, I think this whole think is kind of pointless and I'm not convinced Pelosi needs to be replaced as of right now
I dunno, I think this whole think is kind of pointless and I'm not convinced Pelosi needs to be replaced as of right now
I'd be more than okay with Lee, although I don't necessarily think Pelosi needs to step down in favor of her. But if Lee's your choice, sure, go for it. At least the "we need someone more progressive!" argument holds up.
What always confuses me is when people say that and then shill for Tim Ryan like... you think this pro-lifer from Ohio supporting corporate tax cuts is gonna be more liberal?
I feel like to a good number of people just making vague overtures against "the establishment" is a good enough litmus test (see Tulsi Gabbard).
The politician's fallacy:
1. We must do something.
2. This is something.
3. Therefore we must do this.
What they should do is replace the house majority leader with someone younger and more charismatic who can do the TV appearances and give people feels, and let Pelosi get on with her job as Speaker.
Change.org is not an organization though. It's just an online petition site... so who is they here?
Was thinking the same thing as a Canadian
Btw there's no indication Barbara Lee wants it. She's running for a different position:
https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/07/poli...ker-democratic-leadership-election/index.html
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"No more old white people. We need fresh blood"
"Except this old white person who called Ocazio-Cortez 'insignificant' and attacked Maxine Waters for criticizing Trump and also promised that impeaching Trump was completely off the table under any circumstance. This is the exception."
"Except this old white person who called Ocazio-Cortez 'insignificant' and attacked Maxine Waters for criticizing Trump and also promised that impeaching Trump was completely off the table under any circumstance. This is the exception."
In fact Lee's been pretty consistent about not being interested, this is from July
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...sidering-bid-for-house-democratic-leadership/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...sidering-bid-for-house-democratic-leadership/
Same group that was responsible for petitioning
Electoral College: Make Hillary Clinton President
Barbara Lee is being floated around, no idea if that's what the Dems in Congress who want to challenge Nancy Pelosi are thinking
So idiots then.
Lee doesn't want the job.
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https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why-nancy-pelosi-isnt-guaranteed-the-speakership/
Speak the fucking truth.
If you are black, hispanic, Asian, a woman, etc. You must behave and have manners and even when you do act polite, they start grasping for something to harp you on. We have 8 years of proof of that.
But when you are a politician and you do call out bullshit, you don't get that same applause. The deplorable comment from Hillary or Michelle Wolf's comments on everyone top-down come to mind.
Hell, every minority it seems, especially reporters, who call out the administration get hit with the offensive card for being aggressive on questioning.
This is what happens when you are not a white man being uppity and calling people out on their shit. It is all about disregarding decorum until it isnt. And it doesn't help when people, specifically on this forum, chime into these threads crying how people like Pelosi get these positions when they don't know two shits about what this woman has done to keep this government from destroying more than it already has.
After the 2016 loss, I strongly remember people back at the old forum hoping Bernie runs again when he is also old as hell. There are still some wanting him to run now just because he has some very left viewpoints.
But here we are now wanting new blood even though Nancy also has very left viewpoints.
Here we go with the zero sum if it is good for banks, it is bad for you. How has this rule change impacted you? At any rate, let's see what Pelosi thought about this bill
https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo...vote-on-controversial-cromnibus-spending-bill
Whoops. Empty words, right? because she voted for it anyway! or at least let her caucus vote for it
Except she didn't.
https://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/house/226800-house-narrowly-passes-rule-for-cromnibus
Excuse me, this person was just trying to get a hot take in. They have no time for your "facts."
It's presumptuous to declare what the motivations are in a simple sweeping vilification of all those that oppose Pelosi for speaker. It appears as nothing more than a slander meant to undermine any serious dialogue by questioning the motivation of participants. Disgusting, but this is the way some people seem to operate.
From a recent Atlantic article on Pelosi:
This group trying to replace Pelosi thinks she passed a cap-and-trade bill not to mitigate climate change but to... make her members lose so she'd have less power?
Here you see the intellectual caliber of her opposition.
But NEW BLOOD.
There it is, folks.
This group trying to replace Pelosi thinks she passed a cap-and-trade bill not to mitigate climate change but to... make her members lose so she'd have less power?
Here you see the intellectual caliber of her opposition.
But NEW BLOOD.