Nvidia DLSS vs AMD FSR Upscaling Comparison (Avengers)

pswii60 · Jul 19, 2021

Multiple comparisons are popping up now comparing one of the only games to have both DLSS and FSR, to compare.

And more here: https://www.dsogaming.com/pc-perfor...-native-4k-versus-nvidia-dlss-versus-amd-fsr/

In this particular game, DLSS offers a better image quality than even native resolutions.

Take for example the bushes in the first screenshot. As we can clearly see, the DLSS image looks sharper with less aliasing. You can clearly notice these image improvements in the screenshots that have the Helicarrier. The distant objects look more refined with fewer jaggies in the DLSS screenshots. Native 4K comes in second place, whereas FSR comes in third place.

Now what's also interesting here is that DLSS also runs faster than FSR in Marvel's Avengers (at least on our RTX 3080). As we can clearly see, DLSS was constantly faster, by around 4-5fps, than FSR.

In conclusion, NVIDIA's DLSS implementation in Marvel's Avengers is truly amazing. Not only does it look better than AMD's FSR, but it also runs faster. Additionally, DLSS reduces aliasing to such a degree that is even better than native resolutions.

BAW · Jul 19, 2021

To the surprise of no one

Theorry · Jul 19, 2021

AMD FSR in Necromunda HR and Avengers - Test

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XFactor · Jul 19, 2021

DLSS being better than native res never ceases to amaze me. Shit is black magic!

Dreams-Visions · Jul 19, 2021

I'm sure we expected the more mature product with dedicated hardware to perform better. DLSS stays winning.

Nice to see AMD in the ring. We'll see how well their solution fares going forward.

nib95 · Jul 19, 2021

AMD's implementation definitely needs more work. Without a doubt DLSS is putting out far better IQ results. Then again, DLSS 1.0 wasn't the greatest either.

Deleted member 6539 · Jul 19, 2021

Why is DLSS better than the native one?

UltraMagnus · Jul 19, 2021

The bridge shots, DLSS craps all over FSR from what I can see. Like total destruction. It looks better than even native res.

For the facial close up there it's more even.

sosainas · Jul 19, 2021

Yikes.

pswii60 · Jul 19, 2021

UltraMagnus said:
The bridge shots, DLSS craps all over FSR from what I can see. Like total destruction. It looks better than even native res.

For the facial close up there it's more even.

Until you look at the hair - especially the strands over the forehead. Even comparing to native it's a night and day improvement which is pretty crazy.

Dreams-Visions · Jul 19, 2021

Na'onak said:
Why is DLSS better than the native one?

magic

UltraMagnus · Jul 19, 2021

pswii60 said:
Until you look at the hair - especially the strands over the forehead. Even comparing to native it's a night and day improvement which is pretty crazy.

Yup you're right, DLSS 2.0 wins there too, though even the native resolution gets creamed by DLSS, lol. It really is like magic.

eonden · Jul 19, 2021

Na'onak said:
Why is DLSS better than the native one?

Can happen in some "lower" resolutions when details would be always missed due to resolution but DLSS is able to make them appear.

Rikimaru · Jul 19, 2021

There is no need for comparisons. FSR is not nowhere near even basic TAA tech.

nmkd · Jul 19, 2021

nib95 said:
AMD's implementation definitely needs more work. Without a doubt DLSS is putting out far better IQ results. Then again, DLSS 1.0 wasn't the greatest either.

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TheNerdyOne · Jul 19, 2021

Rikimaru said:
There is no need for comparisons. FSR is not nowhere near even basic TAA tech.

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and yet its better than DLSS at 4k on ultra quality in at least one game, as you can see here, so its not quite as simple as people are making it out to be. good job on the OP for posting the worst quality shots on purpose and deliberately ignoring 4k ultra quality though.

dgrdsv · Jul 19, 2021

Na'onak said:
Why is DLSS better than the native one?

Because "native" one isn't really "native" but native with TAA on top of it.
DLSS substitutes the game's TAA with its own antialiasing which can be better at its job.
Most differences with DLSS enabled both for better and for worse comes from this.

SummitRidge said:
and yet its better than DLSS at 4k on ultra quality

It's not better there either. DLSS is better at reconstructing small details in Necromunda and that's despite the fact that FSR UQ runs in higher rendering resolution.

nmkd · Jul 19, 2021

SummitRidge said:
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and yet its better than DLSS at 4k on ultra quality in at least one game, as you can see here, so its not quite as simple as people are making it out to be. good job on the OP for posting the worst quality shots on purpose and deliberately ignoring 4k ultra quality though.

You simply can't spot the difference at 4K.

Believe me - If this compressed YouTube video showed a basic Lanczos or Bilinear filter you wouldn't see a difference either.

FSR runs at like 80% resolution here, there's simply no way you could spot a difference between 80% and 100% with a lossy compressed video.

PixelatedDonut · Jul 19, 2021

SummitRidge said:
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and yet its better than DLSS at 4k on ultra quality in at least one game, as you can see here, so its not quite as simple as people are making it out to be. good job on the OP for posting the worst quality shots on purpose and deliberately ignoring 4k ultra quality though.

obviously there's an anti-amd agenda, I think that's what you wanna say…..which is lol worthy.

Ryu · Jul 19, 2021

Wheew, DLSS looks amazing!

P40L0 · Jul 19, 2021

SummitRidge said:
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and yet its better than DLSS at 4k on ultra quality in at least one game, as you can see here, so its not quite as simple as people are making it out to be. good job on the OP for posting the worst quality shots on purpose and deliberately ignoring 4k ultra quality though.

This.
FSR @ Ultra Quality preset (targeting 4K) is actually a true alternative to DLSS Quality (both from an IQ and performance PoV), if not better in this case (especially during motion).
Things start to get muddier with FSR Quality preset and lower, which was used in this Avengers comparison instead.

RavenK92 · Jul 19, 2021

I don't think the comparison should be vs DLSS (at least for this game) as DLSS performs better than native. FSR currently recontructs what is/should've been there while DLSS adds what never was. Sure, that's great for DLSS, but the question should be how good does FSR do to reconstruct what was compared to native and how much more performance does it give you, not how does it compare with a method that creates what never was

Deleted member 10675 · Jul 19, 2021

At 4K DLSS in Performance mode produces better results than FSR in Ultra Quality mode and performs a lot better.

https://twitter.com/FutureGamingL4b/status/1416654769037316100

Rikimaru · Jul 19, 2021

RavenK92 said:
I don't think the comparison should be vs DLSS (at least for this game) as DLSS performs better than native. FSR currently recontructs what is/should've been there while DLSS adds what never was. Sure, that's great for DLSS, but the question should be how good does FSR do to reconstruct what was compared to native and how much more performance does it give you, not how does it compare with a method that creates what never was

FSR does not reconstruct anything. It's an edge antialiasing + sharpening tech.

dex3108 · Jul 19, 2021

eonden said:
Can happen in some "lower" resolutions when details would be always missed due to resolution but DLSS is able to make them appear.

It's not limited to lower resolutions. DLSS is also AA solution so it will help at any resolution to resolve thin lines (unless some other techniques interfere like in RDR2).

Pottuvoi · Jul 19, 2021

Yup, DLSS is a very good TAA solution.
When I game TAA or AA solution is not as good, it can look quite bit better.

FSR doesn't really work without AA and needs a good AA solution to work well. (and even then it cannot create sub rendering resolution details.)

dgrdsv · Jul 19, 2021

Rikimaru said:
FSR does not reconstruct anything. It's an edge antialiasing + sharpening tech.

FSR does "reconstruct" edges and it doesn't do any antialiasing which is why it's quality is highly reliant on the AA solution which a game is using.
Sharpening is there to somewhat improve texture details mostly.

fourfourfun · Jul 19, 2021

jmga said:
At 4K DLSS in Performance mode produces better results than FSR in Ultra Quality mode and performs a lot better.

https://twitter.com/FutureGamingL4b/status/1416654769037316100

FSR seems to be struggling with those elements of contrast and fine detail. From what I remember, that was the pre-2.0 DLSS problem area too. Question is - can they code around it with software?

TSM · Jul 19, 2021

dex3108 said:
It's not limited to lower resolutions. DLSS is also AA solution so it will help at any resolution to resolve thin lines (unless some other techniques interfere like in RDR2).

It's not really a technique interfering. That's just how the engine actually renders the game. Once DLSS pulled back the TAA curtain it turned out that DLSS might not be the best fit for a game that chose to use the rendering optimizations that Rockstar chose.

Pottuvoi · Jul 19, 2021

Rikimaru said:
There is no need for comparisons. FSR is not nowhere near even basic TAA tech.

FSR is not a AA tech at all.

The Dragon Mask · Jul 19, 2021

The hair comparison is insane. It takes out the oh so common problem of hair looking every so slightly pixelated in games and smooths it out properly.

DLSS is black magic indeed, and perhaps the only weakness of the upcoming Steam Deck is that (for very understandable reasons relating to power efficiency of the CPU and such), they're using an AMD APU so can't use DLSS.

Switch 2 will be quite interesting if Nintendo springs for it. Soon AI's will be rendering our games more and more. (Imagine real-time upscaling like the Moguri mod for FFIX lmao, obviously a different use case but it doesn't even seem impossible now).

plow · Jul 19, 2021

I'm honest. I see no difference in that third picture lol

Deleted member 20831 · Jul 19, 2021

The only valid comparison with FSR is comparing the actual rendering resolution or render scale (from which FPS upscales) vs FSR; onscreen.

TSM · Jul 19, 2021

plow said:
I'm honest. I see no difference in that third picture lol

Look at her bangs.

nmkd · Jul 19, 2021

plow said:
I'm honest. I see no difference in that third picture lol

The hair is much cleaner with DLSS.

Deleted member 10675 · Jul 19, 2021

fourfourfun said:
FSR seems to be struggling with those elements of contrast and fine detail. From what I remember, that was the pre-2.0 DLSS problem area too. Question is - can they code around it with software?

FSR is an implementation of Lanczos in GPU compute shaders + sharpening, so it has the limitations of the Lanczos algorithm.

To improve FSR, they will have to combine it with other techniques or ditch Lanczos entirely for an AI-based solution, so I doubt the current implementation has much room for improvement.

xyla · Jul 19, 2021

I'm surprised that FSR is that close to native to be honest. That's pretty good for it's first iteration.
Hopefully it'll only get better and games support both standards - it'll be cool for all consoles and the Deck will also have benefits.
Once Nintendo gets the Switch 2 out the door, it's gonna be so fantastic to see DLSS on Nintendo games.

Alienous · Jul 19, 2021

I found this video of FSR paired with TAA, compared with Native and DLSS, quite impressive (though YouTube compression is a factor).

It seems like the technology could be a great help to a ton of console games targeting 4K.

Ploid 6.0 · Jul 19, 2021

I'm so glad they added FSR to this game, it runs so darn smooth now and I can bump up the graphics to max, and it still looks good at ultra FSR.

I hope more and more games support it, especially for people without RTX cards, which there are a lot of.

behOemoth · Jul 19, 2021

Na'onak said:
Why is DLSS better than the native one?

I guess it reconstructers images more like it should be and computers have to render the images the same as ever with all their disadvantages.

Alienous said:
I found this video of FSR paired with TAA, compared with Native and DLSS, quite impressive.

A notable performance boost with an almost an imperceptible loss in image quality. It seems like the technology could be a great help to a ton of console games targeting 4K.

Isn't that a similar solution what developers already started to use with the PS4 generation and the PS4 pro was even marketed with?

pswii60 · Jul 19, 2021

SummitRidge said:
and yet its better than DLSS at 4k on ultra quality in at least one game, as you can see here, so its not quite as simple as people are making it out to be. good job on the OP for posting the worst quality shots on purpose and deliberately ignoring 4k ultra quality though.

I just posted all the shots in that tweet. Nothing "on purpose" lol.

And FSR Ultra Quality wouldn't be an apples to apples comparison - it scales from a higher resolution and therefore also requires more horsepower than DLSS Quality.

plow said:
I'm honest. I see no difference in that third picture lol

Look at the hair.

P40L0 · Jul 19, 2021

pswii60 said:
And FSR Ultra Quality wouldn't be an apples to apples comparison - it scales from a higher resolution and therefore also requires more horsepower than DLSS Quality.

It actually uses less power and has also a slight performance advantage, even when using the slightly higher base res.

See this video for reference:

Necromunda Hired Gun AMD FSR VS NVIDIA DLSS 4K | RTX 3090 | Ryzen 9 5950X

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Also in Marvel Avengers FSR Ultra Quality is a very good alternative to DLSS Quality when both are targeting 4K:

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texhnolyze · Jul 19, 2021

DLSS is the true winner, but even so the FSR is still impressive and much better than native.

Things are looking good for gaming, PC and consoles alike.

plow · Jul 19, 2021

pswii60 said:
Look at the hair.

I mean yeah, after few people pointing at it, i can see it. But if i can't see it when theres comparisons shots without people pointing it out for me, i doubt i'll see any difference in motion.

Deleted member 20831 · Jul 19, 2021

What is the output if you stack FSR over DLSS for an even higher upscale?

daninthemix · Jul 19, 2021

texhnolyze said:
DLSS is the true winner, but even so the FSR is still impressive and much better than native.

Things are looking good for gaming, PC and consoles alike.

I don't agree - at least in the Avengers comparison shots above. Native looks far cleaner than FSR, which is messing up image detail quite significantly (look at the bridge, its obvious).

JigglesBunny · Jul 19, 2021

DLSS is black magic. FSR is:

texhnolyze · Jul 19, 2021

daninthemix said:
I don't agree - at least in the Avengers comparison shots above. Native looks far cleaner than FSR, which is messing up image detail quite significantly (look at the bridge, its obvious).

Yeah, you're right. Those wires on the bridge look messed up in FSR. But tbh, I was also looking at these 4K comparisons when I came up with that conclusion.

Native - DLSS - FSR

Thera · Jul 19, 2021

Is it possible to run FSR at 720p output ?
To say it differently, what can we expect for the Steam Deck. I can't find anything about that.

daninthemix · Jul 19, 2021

texhnolyze said:
Yeah, you're right. Those wires on the bridge look messed up in FSR. But tbh, I was also looking at these 4K comparisons when I came up with that conclusion.

Native - DLSS - FSR

Yes all three of those look comparable, with the middle one being 'smoother' and the other 2 being more gritty. I'd say its almost a matter of preference at that point.

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