Thank you. All-around amazing post, too.The truth is, you aren't "supporting women" by not voting for Biden when Trump is the opponent.
Thank you. All-around amazing post, too.The truth is, you aren't "supporting women" by not voting for Biden when Trump is the opponent.
It's amazing. My white sister in-law came to visit during the '16 elections. The next morning after Trump wins she has the nerve to be in my house blaming Black turnout.Not only this, we're blamed for everything too. Much of the narrative in 2016 wasn't formed around white men and women supporting Trump but instead about the decreased black turnout.
And of course can't forget the low-information racist dogwhistle coming from the left when we don't vote for some white people's preferred candidates in primaries.
Great post!I'm a woman, a feminist, black lesbian, angry black woman, whatever you can think of right now. Yes it fucking sucks that our choices are Trump and Biden, two old white dudes who don't get consent and have still lived long and happy lives, successful lives, and still don't get it. Of course it sucks.
But fuck, Trump can't be re-elected. Look at this covid-19 stuff right now. Trump is the last person who should be leading a country and yet we're relying on this mf to use his presidential powers to actually help and he's not. He's playing politics with our lives. Biden wouldn't do that. Hillary wouldn't have done that. Bernie wouldn't do that.
I mean, if we didn't want to choose between these two assholes, then we shouldn't have put ourselves in this situation. We had so many opportunities to support other people and yet we didn't. Bernie didn't win enough votes, Warren never had a chance due to sexism (and don't deny it when Biden was the best choice we came up with and yet NOW we're worried about his actions with women when this shit isn't new). We made this decision for ourselves by narrowing the field to Trump and Biden. It sucks that so many powerful men in America have histories of sexual abuse and assault and it's not like we didn't know at least some of this stuff about Biden before but that didn't stop anyone from voting for him. Frankly it seems to me like so many old politicians (male especially) have histories like this that maybe it's time to stop electing them. We bitch about old out of touch rich white dudes running everything (ok, boomer) but then go right out and put ourselves back in the same situation. I've been shocked after the rage of the last few years to see 2020's presidential tickets look just like they did when I was a kid.
I guess I'm saying that I think it's noble that so many don't want to vote for a man who doesn't respect women, but that's never stopped this country before. I was 21 and voting for Bill Clinton even though I knew about his cheating long before. I hadn't supported Clinton during the primaries either but at the end of the day, America didn't give a fuck about him cheating and instead focused on Hillary "standing by her man." I get the anger but it's not precious now. Now is the time to vote Trump out and figure out how to move left while having some stability in the White House. Think about the Supreme Court if nothing else. Brett Kavanaugh would not be a SC justice for LIFE if Hillary had won. We wouldn't have been caught flat-footed with this Covid thing if Hillary had won. What stuff do you want to lament if Trump gets another 4 years?
The truth is, you aren't "supporting women" by not voting for Biden when Trump is the opponent.
As unfortunate as this situation is, do you really want another 4 years of this?
Why should he do anything for Black people? Many of us have shown well toss our vote to a Dem just cause. He's friends with racists, his own words. He wrote the Crime Bill which he referred to as the crack house bill. He done showed us who he is yet motherfuckers running to him.IMO President Biden should be forced to do something substantial for women and Black people. He owes and if he does nothing within his first two years he should be LBJ'd by somebody behind the scenes. Don't care how old that rapist is.
People aren't going to be enthusiastic about voting for rapists. Biden will probably win anyway but Democrats have shit the bed the last decade as far as respect for them goes.
It ain't about perfect it's about looking out for the people. Look at this shitSo you read about this medical practitioner having to make literal life and death decisions, likely due to the president not taking the pandemic seriously and then shrug it off and reiterate how all that matters is how you feel? Okay, then.
So, your reasoning is that Biden won't do enough for black people so might as well take a chance on letting the guy who is definitely making life worse for black people have another 4 years?
Perfect example of letting the perfect be the enemy of the good. You want to wait for the perfect candidate that doesn't actually exist.
This, ain't no one doing shit for us. Malcolm said it best, the fox and the wolf.
I'm a woman, a feminist, black lesbian, angry black woman, whatever you can think of right now. Yes it fucking sucks that our choices are Trump and Biden, two old white dudes who don't get consent and have still lived long and happy lives, successful lives, and still don't get it. Of course it sucks.
But fuck, Trump can't be re-elected. Look at this covid-19 stuff right now. Trump is the last person who should be leading a country and yet we're relying on this mf to use his presidential powers to actually help and he's not. He's playing politics with our lives. Biden wouldn't do that. Hillary wouldn't have done that. Bernie wouldn't do that.
I mean, if we didn't want to choose between these two assholes, then we shouldn't have put ourselves in this situation. We had so many opportunities to support other people and yet we didn't. Bernie didn't win enough votes, Warren never had a chance due to sexism (and don't deny it when Biden was the best choice we came up with and yet NOW we're worried about his actions with women when this shit isn't new). We made this decision for ourselves by narrowing the field to Trump and Biden. It sucks that so many powerful men in America have histories of sexual abuse and assault and it's not like we didn't know at least some of this stuff about Biden before but that didn't stop anyone from voting for him. Frankly it seems to me like so many old politicians (male especially) have histories like this that maybe it's time to stop electing them. We bitch about old out of touch rich white dudes running everything (ok, boomer) but then go right out and put ourselves back in the same situation. I've been shocked after the rage of the last few years to see 2020's presidential tickets look just like they did when I was a kid.
I guess I'm saying that I think it's noble that so many don't want to vote for a man who doesn't respect women, but that's never stopped this country before. I was 21 and voting for Bill Clinton even though I knew about his cheating long before. I hadn't supported Clinton during the primaries either but at the end of the day, America didn't give a fuck about him cheating and instead focused on Hillary "standing by her man." I get the anger but it's not precious now. Now is the time to vote Trump out and figure out how to move left while having some stability in the White House. Think about the Supreme Court if nothing else. Brett Kavanaugh would not be a SC justice for LIFE if Hillary had won. We wouldn't have been caught flat-footed with this Covid thing if Hillary had won. What stuff do you want to lament if Trump gets another 4 years?
The truth is, you aren't "supporting women" by not voting for Biden when Trump is the opponent.
I didn't realize we're past the statute of limitation.
You were comparing yourself holding your nose to vote for Sanders to holding your nose to vote for someone credibly accused of rape like they're remotely the same thing.
This, ain't no one doing shit for us. Malcolm said it best, the fox and the wolf
All I can hope for is anyone who refuses to vote in November for the Dem presidential ticket and not actively try to stop Trump's re-election thinks long and hard at the repercussions of that choice before making that choice final.
If their own personal morals of not voting Biden weigh more on them than Trump packing the court with alt-right types (in particular he will replace RBG with someone who will vote to overturn Roe v Wade), continuing to lock children in cages, continuing to gut environmental policy....then that is their choice. I can't control that. No one can. That is their decision. Everyone's own personal morals are their own.
For me I see voting for Biden, the man Joe Biden himself, is as not a morally just thing given accusations against him. However, I personally see voting for Biden, as in the competent democratic administration and cabinet he would replace the Trump corrupt cabinet with and the strong judges he'd appoint to the courts as the morally just decision.
That the need of strong judges and cabinet that would come in and work to save out country outweighs the failings of Joe Biden the man to me.
I am not voting for a particular man to be President. I am voting for a competent non-corrupt government. A White House staff that doesn't make policy decisions due to racism. For court appointments to protect a woman's right to choose. And I see only one choice on the ballot this fall for that.
Yup this. So many starry eyed young liberals think a top down approach will fix this then be disappointed when they don't get thier way.I'm not sure under which scenario the Republican Party would stop existing. It's a two party system. They're here to stay, no matter what.
Moderate voters and swing voters will either vote for what you call a neoliberal or for a republican. 2018 showed as much. The difference is; those neoliberals are still likely to back anti-gerrymandering and other voting rights legislation while republicans will happily throw it in the trash. They'll still vote to confirm RBG-like judges to the judiciary while Republicans won't.
The only chance you have at fixing the system is tweaking the margins and using bottom-up methods to set a progressive infrastructure in place to counter the infrastructure the GOP has spent decades building. Neither Sanders nor Biden is directly connected to that process.
he already won. Once. He is actually in office right now.You know who else is a rapist, racist, and sexist?
Having a rapist as president is not normal and should not be normal. If we elect Biden then Trump has won.
For the love of god it's not just about personal morals! Drill it into your head, people have trauma! Don't dismiss that! Don't bully that! Don't make them feel like shit because of a fucking trauma block!
You might wanna reread the threads about Biden's behavior (and even many posts in this thread). I was told my experiences don't make me anymore insightful on the subject than people without them. And the user caught a ban over it.People aren't dismissing trauma, they're discussing it. Trauma is happening every day under this presidency and efforts to remove the person inflicting that trauma aren't being dismissive of others. One person's trauma isn't more important than another's. The discussion of that is part of the point of this thread. We can acknowledge all trauma while trying to help where we can.
Dunno. I'm speaking anecdotally and specifically about the left. Not the moderates or centrists.
Dunno. I'm speaking anecdotally and specifically about the left. Not the moderates or centrists.
Reading this thread it seems like Trump has become so normalized that people think abstaining is a viable option.
Likewise. I'm in a wait and see mode for the most part. Though I will admit alongside Pete, Biden was the candidate I least wanted to win.
If Trump is so uniquely bad that nothing should be off the table to oppose him, even a rapist, then the house Dems needed to have been doing more than they are now to check his power. The dude does an impeachable offense every day of the week. They could, and probably should, be impeaching him all the time, to bring a highlight of just how uniquely criminal his acts are and to keep his hands full enough to remove his focus on self-enrichment.
I honestly don't think this thread can help much in regards to someones personal trauma, the discussion here is very entrenched and combative trying to pull someone to one side or other. I've never found that personally helpful when working though something deep-seated. I just find this an all round an incredibly bad avenue for this, somewhere more neutral where people aren't trying to actively coerce your opinion and people can be more frank seems more suited. Let alone trying to do all this over a single conversation.People aren't dismissing trauma, they're discussing it. Trauma is happening every day under this presidency and efforts to remove the person inflicting that trauma aren't being dismissive of others. One person's trauma isn't more important than another's. The discussion of that is part of the point of this thread. We can acknowledge all trauma while trying to help where we can.
For the onus to shift to where blame belongs, we would actually have to discuss the responsibility white America has in the stewardship of this country as a whole. So never.
The GOP base didn't stop supporting the party's work to try to stonewall Obama-era policy goals. I guess there are people to the left of the GOP who expect a semblance of functioning government from the Trump regime, but I don't know who they are; even the most civics-obsessed moderates have had THIS IS NOT NORMAL as a daily mantra. I struggle to believe even a show trial for each of Trump's many, many crimes would have been a negative for them -- the party certainly wouldn't be blocking effective government!
People aren't dismissing trauma, they're discussing it. Trauma is happening every day under this presidency and efforts to remove the person inflicting that trauma aren't being dismissive of others. One person's trauma isn't more important than another's. The discussion of that is part of the point of this thread. We can acknowledge all trauma while trying to help where we can.
Seems simple: the needs of a few do not outweigh the needs of millions
The overwhelming majority voted for this creep and so he's the only avenue to prevent another avoidable catastrophe like the one we're going though now, or some other one we can't even dream of yet.
Seems simple: the needs of a few do not outweigh the needs of millions
The overwhelming majority voted for this creep and so he's the only avenue to prevent another avoidable catastrophe like the one we're going though now, or some other one we can't even dream of yet.
But Biden is the one that ended up doing well. He wasn't doing great until South Carolina, and then he picked up in a bunch of states afterward. He's who voters chose. The DNC could replace him, but I don't know how voters would respond. Polls have Biden as being best for down-ticket races than Sanders. Biden does better with black voters as a group. He does better in the South and the suburbs, which are both integral to beating Trump. I'm not happy about the situation, but that's apparently how the chips fall in this country and I have no control over that. I do have control over my vote.
I'm operating on the presumption that he will be the nominee. And if he is, I will vote for him because the alternative is, for me, unthinkable.
Remember when people were angry that AOC said she and Joe Biden don't belong in the same party? Fun times.
How the hell are we even having this conversation again? This fucking dude thinks nurses and hospitals are secretly hoarding supplies for themselves to justify why he is failing! And every hour this moron is on charge the death number ticks up.
We aren't neighbors with any Black Land. We are perpetually capped at such a low %. It's sick.Isn't it amazing how a population that is purposefully kept at 12-13% is always expected to save this shit country?
When will the onus shift to other demographics?
I want a Biden BBQ by July 4th 2020. I want President Biden to be agitated and hounded by women and minorities to the point where he is whispering slurs under his breath every time his phone rings. We are roasting this pig from within the moment he's sworn in, he owes a debt.can we get rid of Trump first
Then burn Biden at the stake after?
He's only one term and would buy us time
I want a Biden BBQ by July 4th 2020. I want President Biden to be agitated and hounded by women and minorities to the point where he is whispering slurs under his breath every time his phone rings. We are roasting this pig from within the moment he's sworn in, he owes a debt.
Great post. Doing the right thing sometimes means sacrifice. In fact, most of the time it does. A lot of people are tired of it.. well guess what, So is everyone else. Except for ya know.. fascists. There is nothing brave about giving up on the system even after being knocked down more than anyone else. If you look at the big picture it doesnt add up that there is noone worth voting for, until it is revealed that Biden is actually Trump Jr. or something. He is worth voting for. Signing legislation written by Dems alone is reason enough.I'm a woman, a feminist, black lesbian, angry black woman, whatever you can think of right now. Yes it fucking sucks that our choices are Trump and Biden, two old white dudes who don't get consent and have still lived long and happy lives, successful lives, and still don't get it. Of course it sucks.
But fuck, Trump can't be re-elected. Look at this covid-19 stuff right now. Trump is the last person who should be leading a country and yet we're relying on this mf to use his presidential powers to actually help and he's not. He's playing politics with our lives. Biden wouldn't do that. Hillary wouldn't have done that. Bernie wouldn't do that.
I mean, if we didn't want to choose between these two assholes, then we shouldn't have put ourselves in this situation. We had so many opportunities to support other people and yet we didn't. Bernie didn't win enough votes, Warren never had a chance due to sexism (and don't deny it when Biden was the best choice we came up with and yet NOW we're worried about his actions with women when this shit isn't new). We made this decision for ourselves by narrowing the field to Trump and Biden. It sucks that so many powerful men in America have histories of sexual abuse and assault and it's not like we didn't know at least some of this stuff about Biden before but that didn't stop anyone from voting for him. Frankly it seems to me like so many old politicians (male especially) have histories like this that maybe it's time to stop electing them. We bitch about old out of touch rich white dudes running everything (ok, boomer) but then go right out and put ourselves back in the same situation. I've been shocked after the rage of the last few years to see 2020's presidential tickets look just like they did when I was a kid.
I guess I'm saying that I think it's noble that so many don't want to vote for a man who doesn't respect women, but that's never stopped this country before. I was 21 and voting for Bill Clinton even though I knew about his cheating long before. I hadn't supported Clinton during the primaries either but at the end of the day, America didn't give a fuck about him cheating and instead focused on Hillary "standing by her man." I get the anger but it's not precious now. Now is the time to vote Trump out and figure out how to move left while having some stability in the White House. Think about the Supreme Court if nothing else. Brett Kavanaugh would not be a SC justice for LIFE if Hillary had won. We wouldn't have been caught flat-footed with this Covid thing if Hillary had won. What stuff do you want to lament if Trump gets another 4 years?
The truth is, you aren't "supporting women" by not voting for Biden when Trump is the opponent.
Warren was the only candidate I gave a damn about. Everyone else was pretty much a not Trump. They had too many isues for me and and honestly, the accusations are meaningless to me at this point. I want to be clear: I'm not condoning Biden or his actions, but I'm in PA so voting for the dem nominee is important (and again, Warren was the only one I was enthusiastic about), all I care about at this point is getting rid of Trump. At least, I don't see the country falling any further apart under Biden. I don't know if the country can handle 4 more years of Trump - especially since it's likely at least RBG is gone so I think I have to vote for Biden in PA no matter what if he's the nominee and I can't really even think about what's wrong with him.
Honestly, I don't think it will happen (and it's just personal fantasy), but this would make me like a pick of Warren as a VP even more.
Voting is not endorsing. A vote is nothing more than a pragmatic choice between several possibilities, where the only reasonable assumption being that you vote for either the "best" (or least bad) choice, or the best choice that you consider has a realistic chance to win.A vote is a personal expression of conscience and morality based on an evaluation of each candidate individually.
I guess you expect Republicans back in the white house next election if Biden wins? Dems aren't going to go against a sitting president from their own party.
We really need to focus more on the Courts, I feel their importance in an election often get ignored by Democrats even though they have been and will be the ultimate judges of how far this country can progress. Trump getting to replace Ginsburg will damage women's rights far more than electing Biden.I'm a woman, a feminist, black lesbian, angry black woman, whatever you can think of right now. Yes it fucking sucks that our choices are Trump and Biden, two old white dudes who don't get consent and have still lived long and happy lives, successful lives, and still don't get it. Of course it sucks.
But fuck, Trump can't be re-elected. Look at this covid-19 stuff right now. Trump is the last person who should be leading a country and yet we're relying on this mf to use his presidential powers to actually help and he's not. He's playing politics with our lives. Biden wouldn't do that. Hillary wouldn't have done that. Bernie wouldn't do that.
I mean, if we didn't want to choose between these two assholes, then we shouldn't have put ourselves in this situation. We had so many opportunities to support other people and yet we didn't. Bernie didn't win enough votes, Warren never had a chance due to sexism (and don't deny it when Biden was the best choice we came up with and yet NOW we're worried about his actions with women when this shit isn't new). We made this decision for ourselves by narrowing the field to Trump and Biden. It sucks that so many powerful men in America have histories of sexual abuse and assault and it's not like we didn't know at least some of this stuff about Biden before but that didn't stop anyone from voting for him. Frankly it seems to me like so many old politicians (male especially) have histories like this that maybe it's time to stop electing them. We bitch about old out of touch rich white dudes running everything (ok, boomer) but then go right out and put ourselves back in the same situation. I've been shocked after the rage of the last few years to see 2020's presidential tickets look just like they did when I was a kid.
I guess I'm saying that I think it's noble that so many don't want to vote for a man who doesn't respect women, but that's never stopped this country before. I was 21 and voting for Bill Clinton even though I knew about his cheating long before. I hadn't supported Clinton during the primaries either but at the end of the day, America didn't give a fuck about him cheating and instead focused on Hillary "standing by her man." I get the anger but it's not precious now. Now is the time to vote Trump out and figure out how to move left while having some stability in the White House. Think about the Supreme Court if nothing else. Brett Kavanaugh would not be a SC justice for LIFE if Hillary had won. We wouldn't have been caught flat-footed with this Covid thing if Hillary had won. What stuff do you want to lament if Trump gets another 4 years?
The truth is, you aren't "supporting women" by not voting for Biden when Trump is the opponent.
We really need to focus more on the Courts, I feel their importance in an election often get ignored by Democrats even though they have been and will be the ultimate judges of how far this country can progress. Trump getting to replace Ginsburg will damage women's rights far more than electing Biden.
For the onus to shift to where blame belongs, we would actually have to discuss the responsibility white America has in the stewardship of this country as a whole. So never.
But that's why every day I feel less and less browbeat by forceful demands and threats by Democrats. Because I'm not the one who is really the problem.
Nobody's asking for a perfect candidate, just one that isn't a fucking rapist. Literally bring back any of the other moderates in the race and replace Biden with them and people won't have to worry about whether they're voting for a rapist or not. And when will libs stop using Obama, who is a terrible human being, as an example of morals?Like I said before, there's a reason why there's the phrase "The lesser of two evils." In this case, one evil is almost infintely less than the other evil, but it's still an evil nonetheless. There really are no perfect candidates. Obama was about as close as we ever got in terms of morals and politics. If he's the bar that people have now for President, you're pretty much always going to be disappointed. I'm voting for the lesser evil because far more good will come from that than the opposite.
Ironic sentiment considering how many Biden supporters have been showing their ass on this issue and acting like Trump supporters and harassing a poor woman who got raped and suggesting she's a russian plantAnd now seeing Trump suggest hospitals are doing conspiracy shit during this pandemic with masks and ventilators... I just can't deal with this fucker anymore and some people who can vote against him but will not... It's starting to make me just as upset compared to his ignorant ass supporters.