No, they never confirmed that, and even completely debunked it by saying that Moira was responsible for any shady medical stuff in Overwatch, including Reyes being turned into Reaper.
-
Ever wanted an RSS feed of all your favorite gaming news sites? Go check out our new Gaming Headlines feed! Read more about it here.
-
We have made minor adjustments to how the search bar works on ResetEra. You can read about the changes here.
Overwatch isn't very diverse with its villains
- Thread starter Rackham
- Start date
I mean the only hero is Mei, who is fighting for a better world :p
Ok, maybe alongside Tracer and Winston. D.Va is practically a child soldier.
Ok, maybe alongside Tracer and Winston. D.Va is practically a child soldier.
Did someone microwave your dog or something?
(I'm a symmetra main)
I see your point and both agree and kind of disagree.
Moira is the most obvious counter to your argument. I see that you're concerned about a possibly LGBT character being villified, but if that's the crux of your point, then you're sort of willfully ignoring that Tracer is gay, and she is unequivocally good. So Moira serves as the racial majority villain.
One could argue that Orisa is a representative of a heroic African woman, but one could also argue she doesn't count because she's a robot. That being said, you have both Ana and Pharah as African/Arabic human heroes.
Since Overwatch is presented as a Western/Eurocentric organization, it does make sense that its enemies would hail from non-western countries. But that's also the same narrative that allows for racial minorities to constantly be painted as villains, so if it's inexcusable elsewhere, then I can see it being inexcusable here. Also, Reaper is an Overwatch traitor who is Latin.
Overall, if your argument is that the only dark-skinned characters are villains, then I would thoroughly challenge that notion. But if you feel there should be more white villains, then I'd agree with you.
Moira is the most obvious counter to your argument. I see that you're concerned about a possibly LGBT character being villified, but if that's the crux of your point, then you're sort of willfully ignoring that Tracer is gay, and she is unequivocally good. So Moira serves as the racial majority villain.
One could argue that Orisa is a representative of a heroic African woman, but one could also argue she doesn't count because she's a robot. That being said, you have both Ana and Pharah as African/Arabic human heroes.
Since Overwatch is presented as a Western/Eurocentric organization, it does make sense that its enemies would hail from non-western countries. But that's also the same narrative that allows for racial minorities to constantly be painted as villains, so if it's inexcusable elsewhere, then I can see it being inexcusable here. Also, Reaper is an Overwatch traitor who is Latin.
Overall, if your argument is that the only dark-skinned characters are villains, then I would thoroughly challenge that notion. But if you feel there should be more white villains, then I'd agree with you.
fuck Symmetra!
oh did they? Ok.
But the voicelines between she and Reaper make it pretty clear that he blames her for his physical state.
OP
OP
We don't really know what Blackwatch was doing. We know they were the shadowy part of Overwatch so I assume assassinations were apart of their objective but that is not necessarily villainous. So far we know Talon has assassinated the peaceful Mundatta and has tried to kill Russia's leader and inactive Overwatch agents.
Maybe I misunderstood Moira's introductory video, but Moira made Reaper, no?
Yeah, I realize that. I just meant like, when you're playing the game as Doomfist, for example, you aren't being good or evil because the plot isn't part of the game. In fact, everyone is referred to as a hero because hero just refers to a character that you can play as in this competitive game.
I think if you were to isolate the plot, it wouldn't be as bad. Like with Doomfist, he's not the only Nigerian. We have Efi who is a good guy.
It hints that so many of the characters are gay or trans without confirming anything.
Take Roadhog and Junk Rat for example. Theres been so much teasing in the comics and even in skins for the game (Hog's christmas skin gun is a gift from Junkrat) that point to these two being a couple.
Other examples include Trans Zarya and McHanzo, all of which the team at Blizzard have recognised and said nothing about.
Usually I'd say that it was just the fans being over-optimistic but Blizzard have promised that OW will have 'multiple lgbt characters. They even go ass far as teasing that more characters will be revealed 'naturally' but since Tracer was revealed as gay in a comic we've had nothing.
This is textbook queerbaiting - promiseing and teasing LGBT characters and never delivering.
OP
OP
I agree that they probably intended that for Mercy to start with, but they backtracked on it when "Evil Mercy" theories became prominent, and said that the "You tell me doc" was just Reaper being sarcastic, and denied that the more explicit lines where Reaper blamed Mercy ever existed at all and that fans imagined them.
Moira created Reaper my mans. So I'd argue saving Genji's life was an entirely heroic act and makes Mercy indeed a hero
....huh.Maybe I misunderstood Moira's introductory video, but Moira made Reaper, no?
That's news to me. Well alright then! So Reapers voicelines to Mercy point to what now? I'm confused.
Its all done outside of the game lol
other than random things the characters say.
They rewrote a lot of the story overtime based on how the community seemed to interpret the characters.
Like Soldier 76 was supposed to be a total asshat, which is why he almost abandons a little kid to die in his CG video, but they ended up changing that later.
This is also why the prequel graphic novel got canned.
Similarly, Doomfist was not supposed to be an actual character until Chris Metzen kept getting asked about who he was after the unveil video at Blizzcon. The intention of his name sounding silly was that they were trying to pick a throwaway one.
Sorry, but I need to ask.
What is up with this backlash to villains who are LGBTQ?
Yes, so I've been told. New lore, etc.
This is very debatable given what Genji had to become in order to be "saved".
The plot in Overwatch not actually mattering to the gameplay is one of those things you have to accept, given that two maps in the game (Hollywood and King's Row) are explicitly about one side committing hate crimes against omnics (the payload on King's Row is an EMP sent to slaughter omnics in a ghetto underneath a foundry on the last point, and the limo on Hollywood with the director in it is an omnic director, the defenders are trying to assassinate him and the attackers are trying to escort him to safety).
Then there's stuff like the "heroic" Zarya and Torbjorn explicitly making bigoted comments to omnics. (This is another really weird thing: in the extended lore, Talon, despite murdering an omnic advocate like Mondatta, have almost more sympathy to omnics than Overwatch does. In the Uprising comic, Reyes actually understands why they'd rebel while Ana is dismissive, Doomfist has lines in a comic about how omnics won't put up with persecution any more [this is in reference to starting a war that Talon can exploit, but still], and Moira has lines on King's Row about how British persecution of omnics is backwards)
Then there's stuff like the "heroic" Zarya and Torbjorn explicitly making bigoted comments to omnics. (This is another really weird thing: in the extended lore, Talon, despite murdering an omnic advocate like Mondatta, have almost more sympathy to omnics than Overwatch does. In the Uprising comic, Reyes actually understands why they'd rebel while Ana is dismissive, Doomfist has lines in a comic about how omnics won't put up with persecution any more [this is in reference to starting a war that Talon can exploit, but still], and Moira has lines on King's Row about how British persecution of omnics is backwards)
OP
OP
I wouldn't care if there was more caucasian villains but the two we have are Widow- who is blue skinned now, and Moira who is most likely another minority.
There is also the case of Junkrat but I consider him more of a reprobate than a Talon villain.
Yeah. Don't forget male.
OP has a valid concern, if you think it is ridiculous why bother posting?
Didn't realise how much the lore got changed since I last checked. I was going to mention the more "grey" characters but it seems a lot more binary now.
I wonder when the faction of universe-destroying demons will be revealed.
....Dang, it's all coming together for the Blizzard Allstory once again.
I wonder when the faction of universe-destroying demons will be revealed.
So let me get this straight. You're asking for more cis white males in a game?
Wait, Symmetra's a villain? I love playing as her but I don't know much of her backstory.
The villains they have seem pretty diverse though. In that they're all from different parts of the world and have different ethnicities (and possibly sexual orientations).
This argument just seems weird. "Game needs more diversity! Add more straight white men!"
like wat
So you're upset there aren't more white villains while ignoring 4 white villains?
Widow is white.
Probably that she's the medical expert and would likely know more about his condition than he would.
Or maybe the line is non-canonical now with the the addition of new lore
Oops, sorry. This thread is trucking along
That gets into a whole philosophical/ethical debate of what one considers "going too far" in the medical field. For this one, I'm going to take a utilitarian stance and say that because Mercy saved a life, she added a net positive to the world because that life ended up being a good guy.
So Reaper, Moira, and Doomfist are part of Talon.
Windowmaker is part of Talon because she was brainwashed.
Sombra works for Talon but largely serves her own ends.
Junkrat is just batshit insane.
Roadhog is basically a fun for hire.
And Symettra works for a corrupt organization.
You could probably make a point that before Moira was introduced the only white character that we could argue was actively malicious wasn't doing it if there own free will but that was probably a coincidence.
I do understand we're your concerns are coming from though.
Windowmaker is part of Talon because she was brainwashed.
Sombra works for Talon but largely serves her own ends.
Junkrat is just batshit insane.
Roadhog is basically a fun for hire.
And Symettra works for a corrupt organization.
You could probably make a point that before Moira was introduced the only white character that we could argue was actively malicious wasn't doing it if there own free will but that was probably a coincidence.
I do understand we're your concerns are coming from though.
Correction, he is actually Indian.
I think it's a very silly complaint in a game where there are only 4 Talon playable characters and there are only 3 white (presumably straight) male characters out of dozens.
I mean, sure, if you ignore that Ana(Egyptian) and Gabriel/Reaper(Hispanic) were Members of the Core Overwatch team back in the day, with Overwatch's origins still being kind of a mess.
OT: The Villain list for Overwatch is as follows for me:
Moira
Doomfist
Reaper
Widowmaker
Sombra
Symmetra
Junkrat
Roadhog
That's what, 2 Caucasian Characters(Moira and Trashmouse), 2 Hispanics(Sombra/Reaper), 1 Indian(Symmetra), 1 Maori(Roadhog),
1 African, and 1.. whatever the hell you can classify Widowmaker as.
(I'm assuming Hog is Maori because of his skins indicating such)
That's not exactly a diversity issue on the Villain side as much as the "Heroes" having abnormally high "Whiteness" compared to the rest.
What is the valid concern? That the villains are made up of only minorities and this Blizzard is trying to villainize
Did OP forget about Moira, the white Irish character?
There's things to be upset about and then there's this thread.
Symmetra works for a corrupt mega corporation involved in a lot of shady stuff, like taking over and razing poor neighborhoods in poor countries via illegal methods to "improve them."
Lucio and Symmetra hate each other because her corporation, Vishkar, tried to take over Lucio's old favela to demolish and gentrify it, and he lead a populist backlash to drive them out.
OP
OP
That's fair but he is a hero now and chose his side.
Like if Sombra or Doomfist came out and tried repenting for their crimes, I wouldn't still consider them villains. Doomfist is unlikely though. Seems like a dbag.
You didn't read the OP
well shit.
I clearly have not kept up. Thanks for the insight, folks!
I mean unless other aspects of the lore have changed, Widowmaker is very much a white woman who's learned to control her heart rate so well that her skin turns/turned blue. She is a white woman with skin that is a hue of blue.
Member warned: Baselessly suggesting another member is racist and/or homophobic.
Yeah I don't wanna jump to conclusions OP but you don't like Moira because she could be gay, you don't like the other Talon members because they aren't white and Widowmaker doesn't count because she's a blue woman.
I'm not saying youre are a homophobic, racist sexist... but I'm not saying you're not either.
So...
What you are saying is that "Overwatch needs more Cis-White Men as villains."
This feels like the complete opposite of what your thread title is.
We dont know specifics, but we know it was no bueno. It has been confirmed that Blackwatch was violating human rights in their exploits
There is a white guy in Talon:
That guy is actually a light-skinned Indian man.
https://overwatch.gamepedia.com/Sanjay_Korpal
OP
OP
You're welcome to think whatever you want.
Yes please.
This comic fills in her backstory: http://comic.playoverwatch.com/en-us/symmetra-a-better-world
After the events here...
...she ultimately decides that what she's doing is for the """Greater Good""", and that the whole world must follow her idea of "order". This same company is the one that was wrecking Lucio's hometown before he chased them out (by stealing their own technology), which is why she constantly argues with him.
don't need to think too much about it, I really doubt Overwatch story was even that fleshed up tbh. maybe they even remove them someday lol
as for the OP, I am on the 'are they really villians?' since they seem to interact just fine in-game lol, sounds more like these guys are just anti-heroes, which are cooler and more interesting imo.
No I read it and I disagree intensely, so much so that reading it makes me aggitated that we are criticizing one of the few companies who provides equal representation.