They should but they are usually selling for really high now.
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I fully agree that a lot of games wouldn't work with only two hours, I mean as far as I can remember Yakuza 7 literally has like an hour of cutscenes to start with.
But I think it's still better than nothing, steam refunds run into the same issues where with some games two hours in gets you barely started, while in other games you're nearly finished, I just hope Sony are flexible with short indies and allowing them to not create a trial if they don't want to
So, I'm currently using a Panasonic TX-43HX580B.
If I was looking to spend around £600 on a new TV for PS5 use mostly, is there any decent options that maintain the 43 inch or more screen size?
If I was looking to spend around £600 on a new TV for PS5 use mostly, is there any decent options that maintain the 43 inch or more screen size?
I think that's what the trial is? I would assume exactly what they did with Sackboy and Death Stranding.
Game Trials are a huge deal now since I'm an all digital owner. This feature is going to save me a ton of money, thank god.
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I'm going to assume that the trials will be exactly the same as those ones with just an extra option available of the devs putting you anywhere they want to start with
Yup. Yakuza 7's first hour is almost wall-to-wall cutscenes with a few short battles thrown in for tutorial's sake.
It's not shocking at all to me anymore. People have to rush and make something bad even though it's good for consumers
I will wait to have the "finish" product. I am not saying that in a bad way, but I will never touch infinite mode of Returnal because I lost all muscle memory (this is very demanding) and have so much to play.
Here, I will probably want to play the arena mode.
In 2022, putting more work on dev while there are alternative (having a real refund strategy) and while taking the money is pure BS, yes.
Yeah, honestly, this is the truth of it - Sony needs to just wake up and realize that their refund strategy needs to be overhauled from the ground up rather than putting extra work on devs' shoulders like this.
But this is better than refound since you can try all the game without paying
But i agree that sony have to put a refund policy
So i think they should do both
How is putting a timer in your game "Extra" Work, dude come one. This is reaching beyond levels.
We can criticize things and still be happy about others.
Some great suggestions this time, well done everyone.
Incredible that they're going to support the game so far into the future. I'm getting the physical copy next week and I think they'll have the Spring update out for then and that's all I'm waiting for before giving Sifu a shot, looking forward to it.
I figure that with Yakuza games the best option would be to simply have the trial cover Chapter 1, rather than a specific time length.
Very glad that the McDonalds name is currently winning
There's very little to indicate that this would result in more work, PlayStation has already had game trials for DS and SackBoy and it was just a system timer that locked you out of the game when it ran out, most devs won't want to put in extra work so they'll just set the start of the game as a trial (even at times when the game probably isn't suitable for that)
The problem with that is that most Yakuza Chapter 1s are, as I said, MOSTLY just cutscenes with some tutorial fights peppered through. You generally don't have full access to free roam until Chapter 2 in most games. A Chapter 1-only Yakuza trial wouldn't accurately represent the core Yakuza experience because while the story is a HUGE PART of these games, the real allure of them is the super-unique combination of deep, character-driven storytelling and player freedom the series does so well.
That said, to my knowledge, a couple of recent Yakuza games have had literal free demos. Lost Judgment's demo was a large chunk of Chapter 1 and basically focused on Yagami's tutorial "investigation" in-game and cut out right after the main plot kicked in, using the first main story cutscene as a teaser for the full game. I have a feeling they designed its Chapter 1 that way on purpose.
They do need to inroive their refund strategy. That said I'm still all for this. It's better for the consumer and I can't see this being that much of monumental task.
It's already been done before it's just not been mandated. I wouldn't be shocked if something like this leads to more sales in games
I really don't expect to use the free game trials. I think there's a reason why publishers stopped making them. they don't really improve sales and they're a waste of resources to produce. I would've preferred if Sony had changed their refund policy instead.
Excuse me, are you both game devs or IT devs ?
Actually can't wait to try out Forspoken for two hours lol, it's the game I've been most confused about whether I'm interested in it or not
Also this could be great for multiplayer games like FPS', I can hop in for a few hours to play a couple online matches and see if I'm meshing with the game.
Also this could be great for multiplayer games like FPS', I can hop in for a few hours to play a couple online matches and see if I'm meshing with the game.
Publishers stopped making demos because they helped out consumers more than them
Sony should have a refund system.
This isn't really a refund system though. They're putting it as a PS+ perk.
There's data that shows that demos/trials hurt game sales.
I think the Everybody Loves Raymond and GaaS Price Crisis ones are funny, but they were more topical several weeks ago.
I work in the IT yes. Using an already existing system timer for your games isn't much work. Everything Is already there and has been used.
We also have a Dev in the other thread saying that this isn't much work at all.
Oh this is why I am criticizing, maybe it wasn't clear because I am pissed.
Yup. A lot of folks will play a game for an hour or two and realize they aren't clicking with it. Right now, those people are basically being screwed over because (especially on PS) it's next to impossible to get your money back for something you aren't really enjoying. Game trials will definitely hurt sales, but they're honestly a boon for the end consumer since it helps us be able to only spend money on the games we actually enjoy.
It's a complicated thing. I won't lie, I generally only buy games at full price if I know in advance I'm going to enjoy them nowadays. I don't take risks with my money anymore, especially if a game is available on Game Pass. There is no upside to me as a consumer paying $70 for a game if I don't know going in that I'm going to like it. If I can get access to a game for no money and decide later on if it's cool for me or not, I'll take that opportunity. Games are too expensive and most of them are too boring to be worth the risk now. I have downloaded so many games on Game Pass and played them for 20 minutes to an hour and then never touched them again.
But I can also see things from the dev/publisher side on this regard, which is to say that oftentimes an hour or even two hours isn't an accurate representation of a game. How do you curate the trial? How do you correctly identify the right time in-game to let people try it out? What if your game's first two hours are extremely front-loaded with story and don't have much gameplay? What if the opposite - what if you start off with a ton of raw gameplay and the story you're super proud of doesn't kick in in full force for several hours? How do you accurately represent a game with a demo, especially nowadays when so many games are open or pseudo-open worlds?
There is no unified solution here that works for consumers and businesses.
I dunno which poll gonna win as some still dumb & hilarious, lol.
But I'm picking the Tighten Graphics Level 3.
But I'm picking the Tighten Graphics Level 3.
The one that was already in use for Sackboy and Death Stranding:
Not trying to make any correlation between the current 'demo' discussion, but all of this just took my mind back to something.
How many of you here are old enough to remember game publishers being furious at the idea of 'game rentals' back in the late 80s?
It was another 'great for consumers/bad for the publishers' discussion at the time.
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^good video/recap for anyone interested.
Man I miss going into a Blockbuster (or, hell, even the grocery store where the games would just be in clear boxes) and renting video games. Then again, I had a lot more free time back when rental stores were booming, lol.
Cycling back around to the primary discussion here regarding Sony's time trial/demo plans, I do hope pubs/devs will get some monetary kick-back from PS+ Premium/Essential/Whatever with this plan. Everyone benefits.
How many of you here are old enough to remember game publishers being furious at the idea of 'game rentals' back in the late 80s?
It was another 'great for consumers/bad for the publishers' discussion at the time.
Nintendo's Battle Against Video Game Rentals
Learn about Nintendo's battle against the rental industry, including their lawsuit against Blockbuster Video.Some photos courtesy of James B. Eldred - http:/...
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^good video/recap for anyone interested.
Man I miss going into a Blockbuster (or, hell, even the grocery store where the games would just be in clear boxes) and renting video games. Then again, I had a lot more free time back when rental stores were booming, lol.
Cycling back around to the primary discussion here regarding Sony's time trial/demo plans, I do hope pubs/devs will get some monetary kick-back from PS+ Premium/Essential/Whatever with this plan. Everyone benefits.
Not trying to make any correlation between the current 'demo' discussion, but all of this just took my mind back to something.
How many of you are old enough here to remember game publishers being furious at the idea of 'game rentals' back in the late 80s?
It was another 'great for consumers/bad for the publishers' discussion at the time.
Nintendo's Battle Against Video Game Rentals
Learn about Nintendo's battle against the rental industry, including their lawsuit against Blockbuster Video.Some photos courtesy of James B. Eldred - http:/...
^good video/recap for anyone interested.
Man I miss going into a Blockbuster (or, hell, even the grocery store where the games would just be in clear boxes) and renting video games. Then again, I had a lot more free time back when rental stores were booming, lol.
Cycling back around to the primary discussion here regarding Sony's time trial/demo plans, I do hope pubs/devs will get some monetary kick-back from PS+ Premium/Essential/Whatever with this plan. Everyone benefits.
When I was a kid, Blockbuster (and my other local video rental shop) was my haven. I didn't have the money to buy games most of the time, I regularly saved up for months to get one game at a time with my allowance, but my parents were totally cool with renting games over the weekends so that I had more stuff to play on my SNES and PS1. I played Symphony of the Night so many times that way before I finally bought my own copy.
Everyone who doesn't vote for GaaS Price Crisis has no sense of humor.
I think what help the pub is that since it s only for the premium not a lot of people will have access to it
I don't think you can blanketly look at it and say definitely one way or the other. Some games will benefit, and some will not.
Some bigger games that release broken will be harmed, some smaller games people weren't interested in getting but tried the demo might benefit.
There will be examples in the reverse as well.
Yeah that's my understanding anyway.
Yeah, it's defiantly complicated, and I can see them changing and adjusting it over time, or as devs give feedback with regards to the timings etc.
But I think regardless it's something worth trying.
The industry is changing with the subscription model regardless so I think this is just a baby step in that direction having to grab your attention and keep it.
Interesting middle man approach between the industry as of right now and the service-based direction things are going. Allowing the accessibility and wide catalogue of games you can try, but still ultimately having a buy the games.
I feel pretty confident that if I as a consumer am spending my money on games I am enjoying I think my spending will only go up, as the big concern in getting a new game is the 'will i like it', well if you try it and you do- you buy it. Draining it is the process of getting a game I think ill like then feeling obligated to slog through it to get my value completely ruining my appetite to play more in some instances.
I have reached a part of the main quest that got REALLY interesting and leagues above of the original game.
Been having a lot of weird/cool dreams lately ever since I've starting taking anxiety medications. Last night I had a really interesting Horizon related dream where I discovered a huge skip that took me to the last area of the game (I didn't beat it so it was imaginary) and I was trying to share it on Discord. Maybe that means I should go back to Horizon.
I think it depends on where in the main quest you are.
Beyond the insane visuals, I wasn't terribly impressed during the first few hours. It gets to a certain point in the story and then it really hit me and I loved it to its conclusion. By the time the credits rolled I had no question in my mind that it was an improvement over Zero Dawn in almost every single way.
Is it after where I am, the splintering of where you can go?
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