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MONSTER

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Oct 25, 2017
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An E3 announcement makes more sense than a Pokémon direct tbh

Pokémon switch got announced last E3 so I guess it's fitting to reveal it then
 

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Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
8,426
Phoenix, AZ
It's not rocket science. There's no possible explanation to get at least 70 new species appear in a region we already know about. Even in the Pokémon World that doesn't make sense.

sooooo if they add a handful of new legendaries, new forms for Mew, new Eevee evolutions, different forms of Kanto pokemon like in SuMo, new locations, new engine and gameplay mechanics it wouldn't be a new generation because they didn't hit 70 Pokemon?

Can someone explain to me these generation rules?
 

QisTopTier

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Oct 25, 2017
13,721
sooooo if they add a handful of new legendaries, new forms for Mew, new Eevee evolutions, different forms of Kanto pokemon like in SuMo, new locations, new engine and gameplay mechanics it wouldn't be a new generation because they didn't hit 70 Pokemon?

Can someone explain to me these generation rules?
I did already.

A generation is literally a new group of pokemon that come with gameplay changes. Its not some arbitrary rules.

red blue: base game
gold silver: new pokemon / shinys/ breeding / special stat split
Ruby sapphire :new pokemon / abilities added
diamond pearl: new pokemon / physical and special attacks no longer defined by element
black white : new pokemon a ton of them / hidden abilities
x y: new pokemon / mega forms
sun moon: new pokemon / regional forms / z moves

So unless a kanto game had an insane amount of regional mons and a new change to gameplay it still would be a sun moon generation game
 

Mavrick07

Member
Oct 28, 2017
398
I've been looking at this crazy persons tweets. Is he that crazy that he actually believes everything he is saying, does he even understand what he is saying? Sending out single letters to random follows that may or may not correspond to something? Some people are just desperate to become internet famous I guess? All I know is that I have a headache from trying to understand his "riddles"

 

Amnixia

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The Fallen
Jan 25, 2018
10,442
sooooo if they add a handful of new legendaries, new forms for Mew, new Eevee evolutions, different forms of Kanto pokemon like in SuMo, new locations, new engine and gameplay mechanics it wouldn't be a new generation because they didn't hit 70 Pokemon?

Can someone explain to me these generation rules?

People (not GF) make them up as they go.

In ORAS

they had climate change after the events with the primals. New Pokémon from other regions were there instantly

That event is canon so that could explain new Pokémon (even species imo) being available in existing regions.

And still count as a new gen.
 

Aleh

Member
Oct 27, 2017
16,317
sooooo if they add a handful of new legendaries, new forms for Mew, new Eevee evolutions, different forms of Kanto pokemon like in SuMo, new locations, new engine and gameplay mechanics it wouldn't be a new generation because they didn't hit 70 Pokemon?

Can someone explain to me these generation rules?
The games aren't the only things that thrive with new Pokémon.
 

Frankula

Member
Jan 16, 2018
213
Semantic arguments always annoy me. The bickering about what consists of a new generation is so senseless. The definition is bound to change over time since the games won't always adhere to a strict "this is how you make a new generation pokemon game" formula. People need to calm down with the Socratic arguments.
 

QisTopTier

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Oct 25, 2017
13,721
well yeah, but the logic doesn't make any sense. people wouldn't count a Kanto game as a new gen even if it did far more than any 'remake' because it's Kanto.
This isn't true read what I posted :l

All they need to do is add new pokes/forms/and make a gameplay change that changes how battles play out that was not in previous games

Every generation of Pokemon has a different flow to the battles for one reason or another due to changes
 

Delio

Member
Oct 25, 2017
3,469
If Pokémon comes out this year and isn't Gen 8 there's no way in hell the anime and merch can survive beyond 2019 without a new generation.

I keep thinking of this when people harp on about a Red/Blue 2. Since I dont expect the next game till 2020 your looking at a nice year or so with the anime fillering it up and merch just releasing new kanto stuff i guess.
 

Aleh

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Oct 27, 2017
16,317
People (not GF) make them up as they go.

In ORAS

they had climate change after the events with the primals. New Pokémon from other regions were there instantly

That event is canon so that could explain new Pokémon (even species imo) being available in existing regions.

And still count as a new gen.

There is. Since gen VI Pokémon games have been set in a parallel universe.

All Pokémon species are still implied to exist and simply aren't available in older games. It's very different from Mega Stones which are the result of a different event that didn't happen in pre XY games.
In ORAS, you got already existing Pokémon appear in Hoenn, if you did the same with new ones it wouldn't make sense. To make it more clear, in the real world animals can migrate with climate changes, but you don't see new animals come into existence out of the blue.
 

Ushojax

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Oct 30, 2017
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It's not rocket science. There's no possible explanation to get at least 70 new species appear in a region we already know about. Even in the Pokémon World that doesn't make sense.

Why would that need an explanation? New animals are discovered on Earth all the time, why not in the Pokemon world?
 

Theorymon

Member
Oct 25, 2017
1,377
I'm sure if Gamefreak wanted a new gen in kanto, they could BS some explanation as to why there are a bunch of new Pokemon.
 

Aleh

Member
Oct 27, 2017
16,317
I mean they don't go out of their way to introduce new evolution methods to justify why you couldn't evolve a Pokémon in the older games for nothing
 

Frankula

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Jan 16, 2018
213
I'm sure if Gamefreak wanted a new gen in kanto, they could BS some explanation as to why there are a bunch of new Pokemon.

I mean, comic books have been rewriting cannon for a long ass time. People act like there is some code that game freak will always stick too and never deviate from. They do the same with Nintendo as a whole. Its like people see a pattern in games and their sequels, then assume that pattern will never be broken and vehemently argue against any idea/suggestion/speculation that doesn't conform to the pattern.

I guess what i'm saying is that people tend to think very "inside the box" when it comes to speculation.
 

Aleh

Member
Oct 27, 2017
16,317
I mean, comic books have been rewriting cannon for a long ass time. People act like there is some code that game freak will always stick too and never deviate from. They do the same with Nintendo as a whole. Its like people see a pattern in games and their sequels, then assume that pattern will never be broken and vehemently argue against any idea/suggestion/speculation that doesn't conform to the pattern.

I guess what i'm saying is that people tend to think very "inside the box" when it comes to speculation.
Imaginary patterns =/= going out of your way to make everything canon and coherent in very complex ways
If GameFreak considered rewriting what's canon and what isn't they would have simply done so instead of doubling down on it with USUM.
 

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Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
8,426
Phoenix, AZ
I'm sure if Gamefreak wanted a new gen in kanto, they could BS some explanation as to why there are a bunch of new Pokemon.

I mean

there doesn't even need to be a BS explanation

if there is a kanto remake there is very little chance they won't add new locations, and there is no reason those new locations couldn't have new pokemon.
 

Serebii

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Oct 24, 2017
13,137
I've been looking at this crazy persons tweets. Is he that crazy that he actually believes everything he is saying, does he even understand what he is saying? Sending out single letters to random follows that may or may not correspond to something? Some people are just desperate to become internet famous I guess? All I know is that I have a headache from trying to understand his "riddles"


He knows absolutely nothing. He's just trying to get attention. Look back in his timeline, he's just spouting endless amounts of bullshit
 

Deleted member 249

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Banned
Oct 25, 2017
28,828
Okay, I'm going to start keeping tally here now. In all seriousness, how many days from now do you think Pokemon Switch will be announced? Not the announcement of the announcement, the actual announcement.

I'll keep track of the average of all guesses. Lezzgo.
 

Superbadr

Banned
Nov 5, 2017
222
DO NOT MENTION MEGAS AT ALL

The dude actually managed to get permabanned from /vp/ because of perma spamming, as in 24/7 with caps always on, and scat posting when mods were alseep, pretend he doesn't exist.
 

Agni Kai

Member
Nov 2, 2017
7,007
So, the Smash thread just got a juicy new rumour. Why are we losing to them? Come on guys, give me something to keep believing in you. At this point, I will take anything that can be credible.
 

Deleted member 5764

User requested account closure
Banned
Oct 25, 2017
6,574
Okay, I'm going to start keeping tally here now. In all seriousness, how many days from now do you think Pokemon Switch will be announced? Not the announcement of the announcement, the actual announcement.

I'll keep track of the average of all guesses. Lezzgo.

Can I give an average? I'd say anywhere between the next 23-30 days but not before that.
 

Deadshot

Member
Apr 13, 2018
195
Canada
Okay, I'm going to start keeping tally here now. In all seriousness, how many days from now do you think Pokemon Switch will be announced? Not the announcement of the announcement, the actual announcement.

I'll keep track of the average of all guesses. Lezzgo.
15 days, may 10th.

2 months after last direct, 1 month prior to E3.

Might not be a pokemon direct, but I think we get some form of direct.
 

Ygqora

Member
Feb 5, 2018
350
Okay, I'm going to start keeping tally here now. In all seriousness, how many days from now do you think Pokemon Switch will be announced? Not the announcement of the announcement, the actual announcement.

I'll keep track of the average of all guesses. Lezzgo.

My guess is 27 days

edit: originally had 29, but wanted to change to a tuesday
 
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Mavrick07

Member
Oct 28, 2017
398
I don't know why we couldn't go back to Kanto as a new Generation. If they wanted to they could add more gyms and locations that we never saw first time around. Even in the Anime there were more than the 8 Gyms we saw in either the games or the Anime as evidenced by the the fact Gary has 10 badges before he even challenges Giovanni, of which 7 are of unknown origin whilst the remaining 3 match up with Brock, Misty and possibly Erika's badges.

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In Bad To The Bone we see another two sets of Trainers Badges which includes another 4 unknown badges as well as a whole set of 8 badges with no origin. That's a total of 19 Gyms that have never been explored in the region:

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There were also the 2 Gyms from early on in the Anime that were yet to be certified Official Pokemon League Gyms namely Kaz Gym and Yas Gym. It wouldn't be farfetch'd (pardon the pun) for them to include all of these new locations and more in a Red2/Blue2 or whatever they decide to call them. There were even Anime exclusive locations that were never in the game so there's plenty they could do to expand on Kanto and make it feel new.

For a start I wouldn't have Pallet Town be the starting location, Pallet Town would be better suited as Gym location maybe even have Red as the leader. Plus the fact there are hundreds of Trainers who began their Pokemon League journey in Kanto but only four of them started in Pallet town, Ash, Gary and two others that were never named.

There shouldn't be a need to have to beat Gyms in any specific order which I know we have been able to do before to a lesser extent. The levels of the Leaders Pokemon and how many they use just needs to scale in relation to your current level/amount of badges already earned, a bit like when Brock asks Red how many badges he has in Pokemon Origins and picks two of his weaker Pokemon to battle him since he has no badges yet.

There's plenty of potential for a whole new scenario to play out in Kanto.
 

wiill64

Member
Oct 30, 2017
1,592
Okay, I'm going to start keeping tally here now. In all seriousness, how many days from now do you think Pokemon Switch will be announced? Not the announcement of the announcement, the actual announcement.

I'll keep track of the average of all guesses. Lezzgo.

Last year at E3 2017, 13 June 2017 ;)
As for it's full reveal, I'll guess in 29 days - 24th May 2018
 

Theorymon

Member
Oct 25, 2017
1,377
DO NOT MENTION MEGAS AT ALL

The dude actually managed to get permabanned from /vp/ because of perma spamming, as in 24/7 with caps always on, and scat posting when mods were alseep, pretend he doesn't exist.

lol this is how desperate some are for Pokemon rumors now: listening to a dude who got permabanned from a fucking 4chan board for spamming rumors and posting poop porn.

What a world we live in. Some folks suffering from serious Pokedehydration! Should just hop on the in-game ladder with me imo. Hell, that Ultra Kalos tournament is starting this weekend! Plenty of stuff to do with the current games atm!
 

casey_contra

Member
Oct 27, 2017
1,377
Seattle, WA
There were also the 2 Gyms from early on in the Anime that were yet to be certified Official Pokemon League Gyms namely Kaz Gym and Yas Gym. It wouldn't be farfetch'd (pardon the pun) for them to include all of these new locations and more in a Red2/Blue2 or whatever they decide to call them. There were even Anime exclusive locations that were never in the game so there's plenty they could do to expand on Kanto and make it feel new.

Pokémon YAAAAAAS and Pokémon KWEEEEEN


I mentioned this before - but perhaps a Pokémon East and Pokémon West. One would start in Kanto and another in Johto (forget the orientation). It would be slightly more open where the gyms would scale based on the order you tackle them in. Someone mentioned this could destroy any semblance of a story, but there could be workarounds.
 
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